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Hughes exhorts Catholic pols to toe line
THE TIMES-PICAYUNE ^ | January 16, 2004 | James Varney

Posted on 01/16/2004 8:12:17 PM PST by chemicalman

Edited on 07/14/2004 1:00:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Catholic politicians who support abortion, assisted suicide or any other "life issues" out of step with church teachings should refrain from Holy Communion, Archbishop Alfred C. Hughes has declared.

Hughes' statement, contained in his column in this week's Clarion Herald, the archdiocesan newspaper, is in stride with a ratcheting up of nationwide pressure by Catholic bishops to enforce orthodoxy among Catholics in public life.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: archbishophughes; blanco; catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; louisiana; neworleans
Hmmmm.
I think Kathaleen Blanko should skip communion.
1 posted on 01/16/2004 8:12:18 PM PST by chemicalman
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To: chemicalman; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Annie03; ...
On Monday, the Most Rev. Raymond Burke, an outgoing bishop in La Crosse, Wis., went further than Hughes, saying politicians who support abortion or birth control should be barred from Communion, a central aspect of Catholic spiritual life...

...Maestri did clarify that Hughes' statement calls for the voluntary withdrawal of opposing politicians from the Communion rail and does not mean priests should refuse to serve them.

Let's hope this sputtering start turns quickly into a deluge. Its past time for this.

2 posted on 01/16/2004 8:16:59 PM PST by Polycarp IV (http://www.cathfam.org/)
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To: chemicalman
JAMES VARNEY? I thought we lost Jim Varney! Hallelujah!
3 posted on 01/16/2004 8:25:02 PM PST by Temple Drake (Ernest Writes News Story!)
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To: Temple Drake
HEAR!HEAR!

Are you lissssssssstening
TED KENNEDY?
TOM DASHEL?
LORETTA SANTCHEZ?
GREY DAVIS?(Gumbie)

Freepers: feel free to add to this list.

4 posted on 01/16/2004 8:39:14 PM PST by joanofarc
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Let's hope this sputtering start turns quickly into a deluge. Its past time for this.

Perhaps then we should identify where the line has been drawn before with regard to the denial of Communion. I honestly don't know, and would appreciate it if that discussion was initiated here, or if someone could direct me to that discussion elsewhere on FR.

5 posted on 01/16/2004 8:41:36 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: CAtholic Family Association
Sounds good to me!
6 posted on 01/16/2004 8:52:29 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: joanofarc
Harkin, Durbin, Biden, Kerry,Landreiu, Maria ( from Washington state) call themselves catholic
7 posted on 01/16/2004 9:06:41 PM PST by agite rem mente
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To: agite rem mente
About time, but he better not touch capital punishment.
8 posted on 01/16/2004 9:12:44 PM PST by tbird5
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To: Kryptonite
Perhaps then we should identify where the line has been drawn before with regard to the denial of Communion

The Bishops are stating publicly that these politicians, who are calling themselves Catholics in their campaign literature and using their 'Catholicism' on the stump, are causing scandal by presenting themselves for reception of Communion. By their receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus, they are presumably accepting the teachings of the Church, but by voting FOR abortion, and speaking out for the so called 'right to choose', they are being vocal in their defiance of those teachings. The Bishops are simply asking for truth in advertising.

9 posted on 01/16/2004 9:23:01 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: agite rem mente
As a Iloin (or what ever we are) (from ILLINOIS)
im sorry for dickie durbin. (as a local talk show host calls him- eddie haskel).
10 posted on 01/16/2004 9:32:09 PM PST by carlson
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To: SuziQ
I might not have been clear. I understand exactly what both Bishops have done and most of why. Both say the subject legislators should not take Communion, but one says priests should deny Communion if those legislators present themselves for it. What I don't understand is what has caused Catholics to be denied Communion in the past. Where have those lines previously been drawn?
11 posted on 01/16/2004 9:35:11 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: carlson
dickie durbin. (as a local talk show host calls him- eddie haskel)

Good one. As a fellow from Illinois (what are we, Illini, Illinoisan?) I find it embarrasing to have Eddie as a senator. I remember when he was pro-life. Sad.

12 posted on 01/16/2004 9:46:09 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: Kryptonite; SuziQ
I visited my daughter today who resides in Archbishop Burke's former diocese in La Crosse. It may take some time to nail down the exact date, but during a discussion with her, she cited an article describing several excommunications that occurred in the 1950's involving Catholic legislators who fought vehemently and voted against a decision by the Catholic Church in their diocese to desegregate their parochial schools.

As a result of their hatred, bigotry and public expression of same, three "Catholic" legislators were excommunicated. Two of the three ultimately realized the immorality of their stance and exhibited their catharsis in word and deed. They were welcomed back into the Church. The third died while still excommunicated.
13 posted on 01/16/2004 11:17:37 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: CAtholic Family Association
It should also be noted that while Archbishop Burke has been most vocal about this he is equally as vocal that the sacrament of Penance is available to all these politicians, indead all of us, and he urges everyone to go.
14 posted on 01/17/2004 4:34:55 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: joanofarc
TOM DASHEL?

GREY DAVIS?(Gumbie)

Already been hit by the Bp. of So. Dakota and Sacramento, respectively.

Catholicism is breaking out ALL OVER!!

15 posted on 01/17/2004 5:14:38 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: EODGUY; BlackElk; drstevej
OOOOOOHhhhh--I remember the incident, vaguely. (The '50's were my youth, said I, dissembling only slightly.)

Your daughter deserves to be a Member of the Board of the Society for the Cause of Canonization of Tomas Torquemada of Blessed Memory.

Pings to other Board Members for immediate approval.
16 posted on 01/17/2004 5:18:35 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: Desdemona; CAtholic Family Association
I hope the media sources you have viewed have emphasized that Archbishop Burke's intention was to keep this issue a private one, Des. He sent the private letters a long time ago and in them offered each individual with whom he corresponded (he still has not divulged to whom the letters were sent) an opportunity to meet with him to discuss the matter privately.

None of the recipients accepted his invitation. You are absolutely correct.....Archbishop Burke's primary concern was and is the welfare of the souls of those involved, but after one of the legislators decided to make the letter she received public (to suit her own agenda), he provided his flock with an explanation of his decision, which has been overwhelmingly well-received.

My daughter and her family will miss him dearly when he leaves their diocese for St. Louis, as will tens of thousands of devout Catholics who have and always will consider him a blessing from God.


God bless,


EODGUY
17 posted on 01/17/2004 5:51:28 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: SuziQ
And a non-Catholic Christian(myself) would urge all Bible
believing Christians to support the Bishops in this-- if we
support the moral principles these Bishops support--and hold the separatist politicians accountable perhaps there
will be some measure of hope for America. Name the names --
mark the beast-defend the Faith-Praise God.For God is our
salvation-- not the bloody godless State.
18 posted on 01/17/2004 6:01:47 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: StonyBurk
When the Bishops finally start speaking out on these moral matters instead of the 'Social Justice' stuff they've concentrated on for the last 30 yrs., there will be many such as yourself who will be thrilled!

Social Justice is important, but it has been used by the liberals in the Catholic Church to avoid the discussion needed on abortion, euthanasia, and now, homosexual marriage. The 'Seamless Garment' and 'Preferential Option for the Poor', gave a lot of cover to those who wanted to change the Church into THEIR image. Thanks be to God, those Bishops are retiring and younger, more orthodox ones are taking their places.

19 posted on 01/17/2004 7:26:01 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: EODGUY; CAtholic Family Association
I hope the media sources you have viewed have emphasized that Archbishop Burke's intention was to keep this issue a private one, Des.

Burke says it himself, when the interview is viewed in its entirety. Otherwise, that little tidbit is usually not mentioned.

My daughter and her family will miss him dearly when he leaves their diocese for St. Louis, as will tens of thousands of devout Catholics who have and always will consider him a blessing from God.

Yes, well, this morning at the pro-life Mass, Bishop Hermann, for the moment the only bishop left in St. Louis, said he considers it a wonderful thing that our local daily newspaper views Burke's arrival much as Herod did Jesus's, and as Herod's son did Jesus after the death of John the Baptist. Very true. The Post-Dispatch didn't like Rigali and they are REALLY not going to like Burke.
20 posted on 01/17/2004 9:22:09 AM PST by Desdemona (I ran. He ran with ME. I ran BY MYSELF. (myself is reflexive) grammar rant off (pet peeve))
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To: joanofarc
Barbara Mikulski
Jennifer Granholm
21 posted on 01/17/2004 10:27:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: tbird5
Regarding capital punishment, see #2266 and #2267 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
22 posted on 01/17/2004 10:29:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Desdemona
What fun! Thank you.
23 posted on 01/17/2004 2:14:38 PM PST by BlackElk (The auto-da-fe is God's chosen way to purge sin from the land!)
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To: Desdemona; CAtholic Family Association
I didn't see Archbishop Burke's interview, Des, but in written interviews I read recently in the La Crosse Diocesan paper, he stated he is going to be consistant in his treatment of legislators in the St. Louis diocese.

The local rag should triple its ink order immediately because Archbishop Burke is a man of integrity and won't let slanted reporting keep him from saving souls and innocent lives.

God bless,

EODGUY
24 posted on 01/17/2004 7:05:37 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: ArrogantBustard
http://pewforum.org/press/index.php?ReleaseID=11 FYI and I agree with Scalia
25 posted on 01/17/2004 7:45:30 PM PST by tbird5
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To: EODGUY
several excommunications that occurred in the 1950's involving Catholic legislators who fought vehemently and voted against a decision by the Catholic Church in their diocese to desegregate their parochial schools.

Thanks to you and your daughter.

Clearly, Bishop Burke's Notification cannot be said to be unprecedented, and because it is limited to "anti-life" issues (abortion and euthanasia), which one could conclude are even more important than school desegregation, excommunication appears to me to be an appopriate exercise of discretion.

26 posted on 01/17/2004 9:15:07 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite; Desdemona; CAtholic Family Association
If I am not mistaken, Archbishop Burke will be celebrating his final Mass in the La Crosse diocese within the next few days, with a brief going away gathering to follow.

If you remind me, I'll research and relate the actual number of those in attendance.

I would love to see four or five hundred thousand Catholics brave the cold to bid farewell to this man of God. :)

God Bless,

EODGUY
27 posted on 01/18/2004 10:11:51 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY; CAtholic Family Association; Kryptonite; NYer; Salvation; nickcarraway; ninenot; ...
If I am not mistaken, Archbishop Burke will be celebrating his final Mass in the La Crosse diocese within the next few days, with a brief going away gathering to follow.

Okey, dokey.

This morning/afternoon at Mass (it was at noon), the schedule for Mass this week and next was announced at the Cathedral (I love that church). The official stuff:

Solemn Vespers, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 7:30 pm - all are invited.

Installation Mass, Monday, January 26, 2004 2 pm - all are invited. Reception (translation: mega party) to follow.

I'll probably go to vespers, but Mass might not be feasible. Anyway, it was also announced that all Masses on Friday will be moved to the St. Cecilia chapel in the crypt, so that all the lighting and cameras for the live broadcast can be installed. Eucharistic Adoration during the day next Saturday will not take place (this NEVER happens) all in preparation. What Father didn't say this morning was who was broadcasting this. I looked on the EWTN site and it's not scheduled. If I learn something locally, I will post it. I can't imagine that EWTN wouldn't carry it though.

Later, Des
28 posted on 01/18/2004 12:17:09 PM PST by Desdemona (I ran. He ran with ME. I ran BY MYSELF. (myself is reflexive) grammar rant off (pet peeve))
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To: Desdemona; CAtholic Family Association; Kryptonite; NYer; Salvation; nickcarraway; ninenot
My daughter just told me that Archbishop Burke's final Mass in La Crosse was today at 4pm CST. I will relay information about the ceremony when it becomes available.

Secondly, EWTN re-broadcast Archbishop Burke's interview this afternoon so I got an opportunity to see it. What a magnificent human being! I hope the courage and conviction he has shown is contagious.

By the way, next Friday, EWTN will be interviewing Mel Gibson regarding "The Passion".

God bless,


EODGUY
29 posted on 01/18/2004 3:26:33 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: Desdemona
"I ran. He ran with ME. I ran BY MYSELF"

Just noticed your tagline, Des. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you have to have multiple personalities or an out-of-body experience to run by yourself? :)

If you possessed either of the above attributes, you could sing by yourself and harmonize in a live performance.

God bless,

EODGUY
30 posted on 01/18/2004 3:38:28 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you have to have multiple personalities or an out-of-body experience to run by yourself?

Possibly. My problem is that people are using me, myself and I interchangeably and they are not. I is subjective, me is objective and myself is reflexive. Myself cannot (okay should not) be used unless either I or me is somewhere earlier in the sentence. It has to reflect. MAJOR pet peeve of mine. Don't know why.

If you possessed either of the above attributes, you could sing by yourself and harmonize in a live performance.

Only if it's a soprano duet.:)
31 posted on 01/18/2004 5:08:49 PM PST by Desdemona (I ran. He ran with ME. I ran BY MYSELF. (myself is reflexive) grammar rant off (pet peeve))
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To: chemicalman
The Deadly Dozen

Canadian Prime Minister Taunts Church: "I Am A Catholic And For Abortion"
Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic
On Catholic Politicians and Faith
Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines
Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician
William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians
Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism
THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]
Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
MI Gov Granholm Proclaims June "Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Month"
Colorado Governor To Media:'WE LOVE OUR CHURCH' [Gov. Bill Owens
U.S. Senator Brownback and Commentator Dick Morris Join Catholic Church
PRIEST REFUSES COMMUNION TO KNEELING PRO-LIFE POLITICIAN [Richard Black, Virginia]
Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights
Pope to MPs: Stop gay marriage
Vatican - Considerations regarding ... homosexual persons
CONFUSIONS ABOUT POLITICAL JUDGMENT AND THE MORAL LAW
Prelate says politicians who back abortion shouldn't go to Communion
Bishop draws fire for targeting Chrétien
Kennedy likens Vatican stance on gay unions to 'bigotry' (oh, go get a job, you little creep)
Ignorance or Malicious Intent? "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to..."
George Weigel on Authentic Catholic Citizenship, and the Duty of Catholic Politicians to Behave as Catholics
Conservative Catholics urge Church to challenge "dissenters"
[Robert F., Jr.] Kennedy to speak at Festival of Faiths (Environmentalism as religion)
Faithful Catholic Politicians
Catholic Bishops Eye Possible Crackdown of Pro-Abortion Pols
PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS
It is Time to Excommunicate the Politicians
Church vows to fight gay marriage: Catholics pressure pols
Should politicians toe their church line?
Church May Penalize Politicans
Catholic politicians facing dogmatic threat
Bishop appeals to Catholic lawmakers [Wisconsin]
New St. Louis Catholic Archbishop Warns Pro-Abortion Catholic Politicians of Excommunication.
Bishop Objected to AIDS Walk
Wisconsin Catholic Lawmakers Seek Victim Status In Feud With Bishop
Bishop Burke discusses the letters he sent to Catholic politicians
Congressman Places Internal Pro-Abortion Docs in Congressional Record
Flynn: Dems ignore Catholics
Granholm gay rights order "a slap in the face"
Calif. Bishop To Gov. Davis: Pick Abortion Or Communion [formal excommunication?]
California Bishop to Gov: Oppose Abortion or No Communion (New Title)
Sacramento Bishop Challenges Governor on Abortion; Tells Davis to Stop Receiving Communion
Granholm's Bible-thumping Sure to Rile GOP
Bishop: No Communion for Abortion Backers
Legislators can't have Eucharist, bishop says: Don't serve supporters of abortion rights, euthanasia
Wisc. Bishop Tells Pro-Abort. Catholic Pols: Change Your Stripes or Stay Away from Holy Communion
Diocese targets Granholm on abortion
NJ Governor McGreevey a devout Catholic, yet diplomatic {Barf Alert}
Communion ban on lawmakers who back abortion starts furor
Bishop's ban ignites church-state debate
(MI) Governor's effort is first step to give gays special benefits, weapon against religion [Granholm]
(Louisiana) LA Archbishop aims call at some Catholic politicians [Hughes]
Hughes exhorts Catholic pols to toe line

32 posted on 01/18/2004 10:21:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: joanofarc
TED KENNEDY?

You can add John Kerry. Bleah.

33 posted on 01/19/2004 5:18:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Temple Drake
James Varney... I am glad he is still around too!!! I have not seen him in about 10 years- I have been out of the country. Nice to know some people are still around.
34 posted on 01/28/2004 2:54:20 PM PST by Thai Food Old Girl
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