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Talking Points for Freepers Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - www.SwiftVets.com
Free Republic.com ^ | August 11, 2004 | The Shrew

Posted on 08/11/2004 10:35:19 PM PDT by The Shrew

We know that the Dems are planning to continue to politically attack the president. They are using their 527's to spend in excess of $400 million dollars to attack the President. They are also vigorously attacking the SwiftVets using Legal Terrorism

This is the Big Time, Freepers. This is the time when WE must step up and support. This is not yet the march in the streets we did in Florida and outside of Dick Cheney's house in 2000. This is a battle where the mainstream media are taking their marching orders directly from the DNC. They are going to crush this story; they are attacking the SwiftVets and their supporters.

Death threats, intimidation, email viruses and Denial-of-Service attacks against the Vets and their site are just the tip of the iceberg. It is going to get worse. Remember the Clinton Slime Machine? Therrrrrrre back!

Here is a summary of the attacks from James Hirsen ofThe Left Coast Reports

1. New Attack on Swift Boat Veterans

Top dog Democrats such as DNC ringleader Terry McAuliffe and Sen. Tom Harkin have publicly embraced Michael Moore's factually challenged waste of celluloid.

John Kerry recently used Moore-generated scenes to smear the president.

But curiously, when more than 200 decorated veterans created a one-minute TV spot expressing their views on the Dem candidate's war record, McAuliffe, DNC and buds squealed for the White House to declare war on these "partisan liars."

Sources indicate that a character assassination campaign is planned against Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, timed for the release of the book "Unfit for Command."

A preliminary counterattack has already begun. It is taking the form of an e-mail campaign titled "Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, Unpatriotic Liars," and comes from a group that calls itself the "Patriotic Veterans for Truth."

David Brock's Web site asks, "Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?" as it slimes Corsi with cherry-picked quotes that are taken out of context.

The Left Coast Report says, once again, the libs' slogan appears to be, 'Don't let the facts get in the way of attacks.'

Here is a thread focusing on Talking Points. I like Bob J's effort and want to link it to reemphasize that this Freeper Effort is about what we say and write to the media - not what the SwiftVets say and write to the media. Theirs is First Hand experience. They talk with a different legal level of authority than we - or Lanny Davis - speaks. Our mission here is to develop Freeper Answers for Letters to the Editor and talking points for Radio Talk Shows and other call in shows.

If you do nothing else, write or say "I support the Swift Boat Veterans. They have paid for their right to speak out on their experience in Vietnam with their service and their blood. They have every much a right to speak about their experience in Vietnam and with John Kerry as Senator Kerry does."

It is important to not overstate your case. I urge every Freeper to read the websites SwiftVets.com and WinterSoldier.com It is vitally important that we KNOW and understand the facts of this case. If you don't know - don't pretend that you know. Just state: "I support the Swift Boat Vets at SwiftVets.com" That is much better than stating something that is false or not current and then having your incorrect fact detract from your support.

What is all the fuss about? John O'Neill and Dr. Jerome Corsi have written a book titled: "Unfit for Command". Unfit for Command

This book details John Kerry's contemporaries in Vietnam and their experiences that relate to Kerry and his four and a half month service in Vietnam. It is a well researched personal testimony.

Consider these talking points:

1. The Swift Boat Veteran's have earned the right to tell their story.

2. John Kerry featured these same veteran's in his campaign literature even after 11 of them asked him to stop.

3. These men served close enough to John Kerry when he was using their photo for the last year in his campaign to describe his "Band of Brothers". Why is it now they were too far away to notice what he did?

4. John O'Neill - the primary author of "Unfit for Command" is giving any proceeds of royalties for his share of the book to Navy Relief.

5. These boats served in close proximity to one another - perhaps 5 - 25 yards. The enlisted men berthed, ate, slept and worked in close proximity. The officers worked, berthed, ate and slept in the same quarters. They knew John Kerry as well as anyone. It is his conduct out of the boats as well as his combat conduct that these men testify to. How he took his orders, how he carried out his orders, how he dealt with his peers and then how he commanded the men who served on his boat. These are all valid questions to ask a candidate for the office of Commander in Chief.

6. One member of the Swift Boat Veteran's served on Kerry's boat - Steve Gardner. "My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?" --Steven Gardner

7. How can a "seared" memory be a mistaken recollection? It's not. It's a lie. It was a lie in 1986, it was a lie in 1992. It's a lie today. Both the intial searing and the current recollection. Ergo - John Kerry is a liar.Kerry "Corrects Record," "Seared" Memory of Christmas in Cambodia Now "Mistaken Recollection" (Thanks to Egon)

8.Main anti-swift tactic now seems to be Corsi comments. Response? "Jesse Jackson called New York 'hymietown'. Does that invalidate the civil rights movement?" by Truecons. Sadly, a Freeper is the one who released this info to the other side. Let's hope this is the end of this. (Not Truecons.) Dr. Corsi is a Harvard trained historian. His qualifications are impeccable and this is a further example of the left attacking the messenger.

I'm not pretending to be an expert - if you have other suggestions, threads, links, etc. please post them here. We have lots and lots of "Guests" these days - demonstrate for them Internet Grassroots activism at its best!


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To: Nita Nupress
You mean I was supposed to keep a log of the 100+ email virus's I get a day? (I'm not a SwiftVet - just a former Jarhead!)

;-)

TS

61 posted on 08/11/2004 11:51:09 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: The Shrew; S.O.L.; MeekOneGOP

What happened here with Kerry's movie review is typical of the synergism that happens on Free Republic and can/will happen with your great thread, here.

S.O.L. mentioned that he had the hard copy of the Boston Herald and that Kerry's comments were from his movie review.

I asked him to scan it and post it. He needed some help in doing this and freepmailed me. I barely know how to turn on my computer so I asked MeekoneGop to help S.O.L.

They got together via freepmail, and now that gem is posted on Free Republic for Freepers and Lannie Davis and his boy friends who monitor FR to see forever.

However, it is now past my creative time. So this old grampa is going to bed. I will return to this thread tomorrow with some other good stuff.

Thanks for posting this thread. You should have some good coverage from my Freeper Friends with big ping lists tomorrow.

Good Night Shrew and Good Freepers.

Good night Lannie Davis and all of your little boy friends, who are monitoring FR like electronic Brownshirts, the Komrade Kerry Kerrorists of America.


62 posted on 08/11/2004 11:58:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (I'm a donor to the Swift Boat Vets fund. Have you donated? If not please do it now!)
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To: The Shrew
Once a Jarhead,always a Jarhead. :)

Tagline change.

63 posted on 08/11/2004 11:58:57 PM PDT by Free Trapper (Apackolies Now)
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To: The Shrew

All, send a donation to the SBVfT here:

https://coral.he.net/~swiftvet/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets

Advise all in your addy folder (friend or foe) to do the same & pass it on. 25 bucks apiece can turn the tide and help the Vets keep up the pressure.


64 posted on 08/11/2004 11:59:25 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Richard Poe; The Shrew

Richard, the electronic rapid response brownshirt fascists of Lannie Davis and their monitoring of FR and electronic threats to the Swift Boat Vets might make a best seller book for your next book!


65 posted on 08/12/2004 12:02:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I'm a donor to the Swift Boat Vets fund. Have you donated? If not please do it now!)
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To: The Shrew; NormsRevenge; Brad's Gramma; nunya bidness; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; Viet-Boat-Rider; ...


66 posted on 08/12/2004 12:07:07 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

"Additional talking point: After leaving the Navy, John Kerry said he personally witnessed and committed "atrocities". Specifically which of the Swiftboat Vets did Kerry see commit these atrocities? Why is it ok for Kerry to smear his comrades in arms at a time of war, but it is not ok for them to question his actions when we are at peace?"

Kerry says Bush lied to lead the country into the Iraqi war.

Kerry is a self admitted liar who lied to insure America lost the war & North Vietnam won.

Kerry is a traitorous lying communist 8astard. John Kerry, enemy mine.


67 posted on 08/12/2004 12:08:05 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: PhilDragoo

Excellent, Phil!!!!:-)

Best FReegards, Always,

D2

:-)


68 posted on 08/12/2004 12:11:05 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: PhilDragoo
You just keep getting better and better!

Thanks for the ping,BTW. :-)

69 posted on 08/12/2004 12:12:14 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Nothing occures in a vacuum, somebody, somewhere knows where the lying POS was on Dec. 24th, 1968 and has the proof to show it. So who was on the boat with him that day, duty rosters, morning reports, ship's (boat's) logs?

Somebody knows the truth, let us hope someone ferrets that somebody out.


70 posted on 08/12/2004 12:13:53 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: The Shrew

Okay......I'm on board! :-)


71 posted on 08/12/2004 12:15:05 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: All; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Here's some pertinent kerry history!!!!

Below is excerpted statements to Congress, 22 April, 1971 by Lt. John F. Kerry USNR(Inactive Reserve Status).



"Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Furhter paired down to:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points..."(kerry and his VVAW negotiated in Paris with the then enemy.)

Stated by kerry to Our U.S. Congress which is in the Official Congressional Record, 22 April, 1971.

I'll let ALL of you think your own thoughts about this, however, I cannot for the life of me, picture kerry in any elected office, never mind being Commander in Chief!!!!

Why kerry was not indicted, tried and convicted for Treason and Sedition under the appropriate Articles, We will never know.

The Media SHAMELESSLY hides this TRUTH(In the Congressional Record, dated 22 April, 1971) from the Public!!!! They are equally Treasonous and Seditionous as kerry is!!!!This Blatant Example of the media shows that we no longer have a FREE and TRUTHFUL Press(Straight ALL the Way LEFT of Center)!!!!

kerry had his VVAW which led to the deaths of thousands or hundreds of thousands of deaths in Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia after he and his VVAW accomplished their mission in getting U.S. withdrawal in South Viet Nam. kerry and his VVAW forever tarnished the image of U.S. Viet Nam Vets!!!!

The Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party!!!! For them to select kerry and his two forunners Clinton and Gore show they have become the party of our enemies!!!!

We cannot ALLOW this to STAND!!!!

Defender2

Some More Interesting historical news about kerry:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091943/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1160580/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1165078/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181426/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1181954/posts

Some of kerry's friends listed below:

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.dsausa.org/

DSA's "Progressive Caucus" Links below:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

They are the Enemy Within!!!!

I have at least one or two interesting posts about said such subject matter, below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1165983/posts

And see:

http://tonkin.spymac.net/hanoikerry1.html

More: Communist Party Backs the RATS!!!! below:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1171176/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172055/posts


More!!!! Socialists(DSA) backs kerry!!!! Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179854/posts

More of the Enemy within!!!!

Even More!!!! Red China Backs kerry!!!! See Below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1180437/posts


Avoid the Socialists/Communists backed johns(not capitolised on purpose) like the Plague!!!!

D2


72 posted on 08/12/2004 12:17:25 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: The Shrew

How about finding ways to get the word out to more vet, both active duty and separated vets. Kerry has trashed the Guard and Reserve, trashed his fellow Viet vets, and hasn't taken any time or effort to do anything with current active duty folks.

These folks all have families and if you can convince them to talk to families, the word will get out. Unfortunately, many Dims won't get ANY negative info on the alphabet channels. Just a thought.


73 posted on 08/12/2004 12:44:43 AM PDT by conshack
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To: The Shrew; All
Mass emailed to the usual suspects in 'netland, and crosslinked here:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

I additionally started a separate SBV post, but merged it with the above link to simplify things:

-The Swift Grey Fox- John Kerry versus the Swift Boat Vets--


Here what I have on the dirt-digging so far:

 PREPARE FOR AN ALL-OUT PERSONAL ASSAULT (Neal Boortz 8-11-04)

Former FBI Agent Warns Swift Boat Vets Gary Aldrich

  If your 60-second ad were given honest exposure, the election would be all but over, and the people who have seen it know this. That’s why they will destroy you, then ignore you.
 The dems already have said they have "brown books" on these Swift Boat vets destroying their lives, and they already started handing them out to the press.


Dems Plan Assault on Vets......Brown Books
 Check HERE and follow the link to the Brock article. Also, if you saw Nightline last night, you'll know its not a myth.

V A N I T Y Let the games begin.......

  Looks like the story of the "brown book" is true. I wonder if it occurs to anyof these rocket scientists that their efforts to discredit the Swifties is about to explode in their faces.
 For over 30 years, those of us who are Vietnam era vets were never given a voice. If you ask the average young person on the street, the '60s and early '70's was nothing but peace and love.

COMMAND CONFIDENCE Kerry staff: "Unfit not a problem, media is committed to seeing us win")

 Lanny Davis: Dangerously close to formal LIBEL charges?  If they go through with some of their other threats (the brown books) with credit records, medical and psychiatric records, etc. then they will be open to invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emmotional distress, conspriracy and civil RICO violations.
 The brown-book project -- Dems Plan Assault on Vets  
 It's one thing for them to attack presidential candidate George W. Bush. Quite another for them to provide vicious "damaging military records, personal credit histories, medical histories, psychiatric histories, divorce records, you name it” covert info to the news media for the single purpose of embarassing/destroying plain ol' citizens. The brown-book project smacks of KGB tactics --  Dems Plan Assault on Vets

And now, ladies and gentlemen, may I direct your attention to this lovely story, about how the DNC has apparently put together "Brown Book" collections of personal information on each of the Swift Boat Vets themselves, private citizens, mind you, to provide the news media in an attempt to blackmail/embarass them enough to pull the ad.

 I don't EVER want to hear any Lib try to tell me from this point forward that the media is biased toward the RIGHT. That the media is controlled by Conservatives. They just confirmed the opposite here.

74 posted on 08/12/2004 12:47:15 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe

Very Well Done and Said, backhoe!!!!

Thanks from a grateful FReeper,

D2

They picked a Fight, let's Finish it and rub their noses in it!!!!


75 posted on 08/12/2004 12:51:50 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: nopardons; Defender2; onyx; potlatch; ntnychik; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; Smartass; Happy2BMe; ...

76 posted on 08/12/2004 1:00:57 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks for the ping, Phil!!!!

D2


77 posted on 08/12/2004 1:02:39 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Defender2
They picked a Fight, let's Finish it and rub their noses in it...

Amen. They rubbed out noses in, ahem!, "stuff" for eight years- time to return the favor.

78 posted on 08/12/2004 1:40:18 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: The Shrew
You mean I was supposed to keep a log of the 100+ email virus's I get a day?

Yeah. That kind of intimidation. ;')

79 posted on 08/12/2004 1:44:51 AM PDT by Nita Nupress ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: backhoe

#78. Amen!!!!

FReegards,

D2


80 posted on 08/12/2004 2:19:25 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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