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Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam
NY Times ^ | September 14, 2006 | IAN FISHER

Posted on 09/14/2006 1:05:49 PM PDT by neverdem

ROME, Sept. 14 — As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim leaders strongly criticized a speech he gave on his trip that used unflattering language about Islam and violence.

Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there in November.

“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to those in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks, with many demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

The Vatican did not respond today, as the pope returned from his six-day trip to his homeland, Germany, to the criticism of his speech. On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address — which some church experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate — saying that the West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it had closed God out of public life, science and academia.

But the pope began this speech at Regensburg University with what he conceded were “brusque” words about Islam: He quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor as saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

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1 posted on 09/14/2006 1:05:51 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

His Holiness speaks the truth and is not afraid to take heat for it. It's called a spine, something noticeably lacking in the Religion of Pieces.


2 posted on 09/14/2006 1:07:46 PM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: neverdem
“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

This Ali Barkingdog character certainly gives a new perspective on the concept of hypocrisy ...

3 posted on 09/14/2006 1:07:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neverdem
Exclusive to the NY Times: Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam!
4 posted on 09/14/2006 1:08:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I'm ready.)
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To: neverdem

Is it too much to ask that these [ahem] journalists at the NYTimes use a capital P when referring to the Pope?

Sometimes these pontifs are not popular for speaking the truth. That comes with the territory. Remember how JPII angered the sodomites?


5 posted on 09/14/2006 1:10:53 PM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Why would anyone respect a pedophile terrorist posing as a prophet.


6 posted on 09/14/2006 1:11:00 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: neverdem

Muslims are not used to criticism. We should not indulge them on this.


7 posted on 09/14/2006 1:12:00 PM PDT by AmishDude (`[N]on-state actors' can project force around the world more easily than Canada". -- Mark Steyn)
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To: neverdem

The Holy Father spoke the truth. There is an evil violent murderous movement that is hell-bent on invading peaceful countries and converting them, or cut their heads off if they won't convert.
Disgusting to see these hypocrites criticize the Pope when they are the murderous head-chopping bastards.


8 posted on 09/14/2006 1:12:46 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Islamic Fascists: The new nazis, aided and abetted by the left and their enablers in the media.)
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To: neverdem
Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to those in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks, with many demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

One of several rows housing Islam's Encyclopedia Of Grievances (Abridged Edition)

9 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:06 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: neverdem
The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

LOL

Think about that for a second. It speaks volumes.

10 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:21 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: neverdem

Islam's prophet was and is a DOG!


11 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:23 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: neverdem

Oooo, the muslims feelings got hurt....oh boo hoo hoo. Did anyone catch the caller on Rush's show yesterday who was a Shiite muslim and when Rush asked why aren't more muslims vocal in their outrage about terrorists she sort of had a very vague anaswer like, "you just don't hear abuut them.."


12 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:39 PM PDT by landorepub
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To: neverdem
On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address — which some church experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate — saying that the West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it had closed God out of public life, science and academia.

Actually, that's not what he said at all. But I guess it's what the Times wanted to hear.

What he actually said is that the God of Christians is a God of reason, himself knowable by reason (even Thomas Aquinas said this), and creator of a world knowable by reason and running on the basis of laws that are knowable. Islam, on the other hand, posits a god who is arbitrary and unknowable, bound to no natural law within himself, and creator of a world that is entirely arbitrary in its existence and bound by no natural law; law comes from without, imposed by the irrational god, who could as soon order one thing as order its exact opposite.

In terms of modern knowledge, he said that post-Enlightenment man often separates what he knows of reason from the source of all reason, the Logos. But he did not attack reason.

His point was to show the difference between the Islamic world-and-deity view and that of Christianity, as well as to examine what it was in the modern Western world that had separated modern society from the roots of reason and set it adrift so that it might paradoxically be the prey of Islam or any other nihilistic, anti-rational and chaos-driven ideology.

13 posted on 09/14/2006 1:14:53 PM PDT by livius
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To: neverdem
Glad he reversed course from his earlier comments during the Lebanon war.
14 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

"I've got a lot of problems with you people, and now you're going to hear about it!"


15 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:06 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: neverdem

I fear for the Pontiff's life. People of good will, please say a prayer for this brave man's safety.


16 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:31 PM PDT by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: sgtbono2002
pedophile terrorist posing as a prophet.

Hmmm ... yes. Mo' Ham-Head was a violent pervert, and founded a religion/political ideology designed to appeal to violent perverts ... no wonder it's so popular in US prisons.

17 posted on 09/14/2006 1:16:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: B Knotts

Mohammad, Stalin, and Hitler were Satin in human form.


18 posted on 09/14/2006 1:17:31 PM PDT by kjo
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To: neverdem

Gee, if Muslims spent a fraction of the time being aggreived over real atrocities committed by their followers instead of being ridiculously defensive about perceived insults or slights, the world would be a WAY better place.


19 posted on 09/14/2006 1:18:30 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Who on earth dresses those women on the Weather Channel? Can't they find clothes that fit?)
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To: Disturbin

I entirely support Pope Benedict in his indictment of Islam, which has waged war on the Christian west since the seventh century. The only reason they haven't been effective until now is...western technology, which they profess to despise.

However, I believe it is common style to use lower case for ecclesiastical titles if the name of the incumbent is not also stated. While I have no reason to infer that the NYT might have any respect for His Holiness, I am not sure that this usage can be inferred to imply irrespect.

I take your point however, in that there is only one Pope, so his name must be inferred to be Benedict, hence the title in this case might well rightly be always capitalized.

And I see that I do that without even thinking, just because of this.

Then again, I deeply respect and venerate Pope Benedict and am happy to make that clear.


20 posted on 09/14/2006 1:18:48 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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