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Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam
NY Times ^ | September 14, 2006 | IAN FISHER

Posted on 09/14/2006 1:05:49 PM PDT by neverdem

ROME, Sept. 14 — As Pope Benedict XVI arrived back home from Germany, Muslim leaders strongly criticized a speech he gave on his trip that used unflattering language about Islam and violence.

Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there in November.

“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to those in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks, with many demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

The Vatican did not respond today, as the pope returned from his six-day trip to his homeland, Germany, to the criticism of his speech. On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address — which some church experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate — saying that the West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it had closed God out of public life, science and academia.

But the pope began this speech at Regensburg University with what he conceded were “brusque” words about Islam: He quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor as saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

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1 posted on 09/14/2006 1:05:51 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

His Holiness speaks the truth and is not afraid to take heat for it. It's called a spine, something noticeably lacking in the Religion of Pieces.


2 posted on 09/14/2006 1:07:46 PM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: neverdem
“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there. “He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

This Ali Barkingdog character certainly gives a new perspective on the concept of hypocrisy ...

3 posted on 09/14/2006 1:07:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neverdem
Exclusive to the NY Times: Muslim Leaders Assail Pope’s Speech on Islam!
4 posted on 09/14/2006 1:08:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I'm ready.)
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To: neverdem

Is it too much to ask that these [ahem] journalists at the NYTimes use a capital P when referring to the Pope?

Sometimes these pontifs are not popular for speaking the truth. That comes with the territory. Remember how JPII angered the sodomites?


5 posted on 09/14/2006 1:10:53 PM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Why would anyone respect a pedophile terrorist posing as a prophet.


6 posted on 09/14/2006 1:11:00 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: neverdem

Muslims are not used to criticism. We should not indulge them on this.


7 posted on 09/14/2006 1:12:00 PM PDT by AmishDude (`[N]on-state actors' can project force around the world more easily than Canada". -- Mark Steyn)
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To: neverdem

The Holy Father spoke the truth. There is an evil violent murderous movement that is hell-bent on invading peaceful countries and converting them, or cut their heads off if they won't convert.
Disgusting to see these hypocrites criticize the Pope when they are the murderous head-chopping bastards.


8 posted on 09/14/2006 1:12:46 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Islamic Fascists: The new nazis, aided and abetted by the left and their enablers in the media.)
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To: neverdem
Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to those in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks, with many demanding an apology or clarification. The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

One of several rows housing Islam's Encyclopedia Of Grievances (Abridged Edition)

9 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:06 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: neverdem
The extent of any anger about the speech may become clearer on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer in which grievances are often vented publicly.

LOL

Think about that for a second. It speaks volumes.

10 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:21 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: neverdem

Islam's prophet was and is a DOG!


11 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:23 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: neverdem

Oooo, the muslims feelings got hurt....oh boo hoo hoo. Did anyone catch the caller on Rush's show yesterday who was a Shiite muslim and when Rush asked why aren't more muslims vocal in their outrage about terrorists she sort of had a very vague anaswer like, "you just don't hear abuut them.."


12 posted on 09/14/2006 1:13:39 PM PDT by landorepub
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To: neverdem
On Tuesday, Benedict delivered a major address — which some church experts say was a defining speech of his pontificate — saying that the West, and specifically Europe, had become so beholden to reason that it had closed God out of public life, science and academia.

Actually, that's not what he said at all. But I guess it's what the Times wanted to hear.

What he actually said is that the God of Christians is a God of reason, himself knowable by reason (even Thomas Aquinas said this), and creator of a world knowable by reason and running on the basis of laws that are knowable. Islam, on the other hand, posits a god who is arbitrary and unknowable, bound to no natural law within himself, and creator of a world that is entirely arbitrary in its existence and bound by no natural law; law comes from without, imposed by the irrational god, who could as soon order one thing as order its exact opposite.

In terms of modern knowledge, he said that post-Enlightenment man often separates what he knows of reason from the source of all reason, the Logos. But he did not attack reason.

His point was to show the difference between the Islamic world-and-deity view and that of Christianity, as well as to examine what it was in the modern Western world that had separated modern society from the roots of reason and set it adrift so that it might paradoxically be the prey of Islam or any other nihilistic, anti-rational and chaos-driven ideology.

13 posted on 09/14/2006 1:14:53 PM PDT by livius
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To: neverdem
Glad he reversed course from his earlier comments during the Lebanon war.
14 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:03 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (New Democrat Talking Point: Rove made us do it!)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

"I've got a lot of problems with you people, and now you're going to hear about it!"


15 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:06 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: neverdem

I fear for the Pontiff's life. People of good will, please say a prayer for this brave man's safety.


16 posted on 09/14/2006 1:15:31 PM PDT by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: sgtbono2002
pedophile terrorist posing as a prophet.

Hmmm ... yes. Mo' Ham-Head was a violent pervert, and founded a religion/political ideology designed to appeal to violent perverts ... no wonder it's so popular in US prisons.

17 posted on 09/14/2006 1:16:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: B Knotts

Mohammad, Stalin, and Hitler were Satin in human form.


18 posted on 09/14/2006 1:17:31 PM PDT by kjo
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To: neverdem

Gee, if Muslims spent a fraction of the time being aggreived over real atrocities committed by their followers instead of being ridiculously defensive about perceived insults or slights, the world would be a WAY better place.


19 posted on 09/14/2006 1:18:30 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Who on earth dresses those women on the Weather Channel? Can't they find clothes that fit?)
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To: Disturbin

I entirely support Pope Benedict in his indictment of Islam, which has waged war on the Christian west since the seventh century. The only reason they haven't been effective until now is...western technology, which they profess to despise.

However, I believe it is common style to use lower case for ecclesiastical titles if the name of the incumbent is not also stated. While I have no reason to infer that the NYT might have any respect for His Holiness, I am not sure that this usage can be inferred to imply irrespect.

I take your point however, in that there is only one Pope, so his name must be inferred to be Benedict, hence the title in this case might well rightly be always capitalized.

And I see that I do that without even thinking, just because of this.

Then again, I deeply respect and venerate Pope Benedict and am happy to make that clear.


20 posted on 09/14/2006 1:18:48 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: neverdem
Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there in November.

Uh oh. Hope no PO'ed Turk tries to assasinate the Pope. Ooops - that already happened!

Sometimes, doncha just get sick of the muzzies and all their whining???

21 posted on 09/14/2006 1:18:48 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: neverdem
“He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

Well, I can't speak for the Pope, but I know that I'll replace the grudge in my heart with respect for Moslems when they stop desiring to cut my head off or blow me up for refusing to convert to their religion!
22 posted on 09/14/2006 1:19:26 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Disturbin

By not capitalizing Pope, it is their not-so-subtle way of minimizing him. I also find it disrespectful by just calling him "Benedict".


23 posted on 09/14/2006 1:20:36 PM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: neverdem
“He should first of all replace the grudge in his heart with moral values and respect for the other.”

...and if he doesn't we will capture infidel devils and cut their heads off to prove our religion is peaceful.

24 posted on 09/14/2006 1:20:59 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him.)
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To: AmishDude

The Turks murdered a couple of million Armenians and no one seemed to raise too much hell about it so I guess you are right...they are not used to criticism.


25 posted on 09/14/2006 1:21:25 PM PDT by xxyyxx
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To: neverdem; NYer

I think BXVI knows that this is the major enemy we have to face now.


26 posted on 09/14/2006 1:22:24 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah Benny!


27 posted on 09/14/2006 1:24:12 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Rummyfan

One big difference Pope JPII met with his would be assassin in jail and forgave him. Mohammed would have beheaded him in front of all to see. That is the difference between Christianity and Islame


28 posted on 09/14/2006 1:24:57 PM PDT by stm (Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
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To: kjo
Mohammad, Stalin, and Hitler were Satin in human form.

Indeed. Bedsheets and blouses were made out of all three.

29 posted on 09/14/2006 1:26:47 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Gordongekko909

*snicker*


30 posted on 09/14/2006 1:28:07 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (If Bin Laden were a woman, Clinton would have nailed him.)
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To: neverdem

Considering the moral disaster that the Muslim world is, this kind of sanctimoniousness is really hard to stomach.

If the Pope goes, he no doubt will go on his own terms. If he doesn't go, likewise; plus, he has good scriptural grounds for standing his ground regarding the Muslims;

"What concord hath Christ with Belial?"


31 posted on 09/14/2006 1:30:20 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on......)
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To: old and tired

Prayers for His Holiness.

And if anything happens to him, all bets are off.


32 posted on 09/14/2006 1:34:58 PM PDT by Ueriah
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To: neverdem

I can't even hardely bring myself to read these idiotic comments anymore.....meaning from these muslim morons. They are obviously hypocrites and will NEVER see that fact, so I'm joining the nuke em all club....


33 posted on 09/14/2006 1:36:01 PM PDT by groovejedi ((Bolton For Prez!!))
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To: neverdem
Let's see now, in the past 12 months, how many Muslims have been beheaded with rusty knives by radical Christian terrorists?

Ummmm, 'NONE' seems to apply.

OK, how many Muslims were kidnapped by Christian terrorists, threatened with death, and then forced to convert to Christianity at the point of a gun?

Hmmm, looks like 'NONE' again.

How many newspapers, radio and/or TV stations have been burned, ransacked and trashed by Christian terrorists after an offensive image of Jesus Christ was published or broadcast?

Yeah, you guess it: 'NONE' once more.

So let's see if Muslims can live UP to Christian standards of behavior now with my itty bitty provocation here:

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34 posted on 09/14/2006 1:43:38 PM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: neverdem
The Truth

“I do not think any good will come from the visit to the Muslim world of a person who has such ideas about Islam’s >false< prophet,” Ali Bardakoglu, a cleric who is head of the Turkish government’s directorate of religious affairs, said in a television interview there.

35 posted on 09/14/2006 1:44:05 PM PDT by XR7
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To: neverdem

DO YOU THINK ISLAM WILL PUT A CONTRACT 'HIT' ON THE POPE?


36 posted on 09/14/2006 1:46:37 PM PDT by Lowell (The voice from beyond the far right edge!)
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To: stm

It's called a spine, something noticeably lacking in the Religion of Pieces.

And noticeably lacking in ALL the leaders of the Western world.


37 posted on 09/14/2006 1:47:59 PM PDT by hardworking (Please elect Comrade Clinton so that I can go on the dole too. Thank you.)
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The Muslim clerics blaspheme the name of God all day long by claiming Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead and that he is an inferior prophet to their murderous founder. But you don't hear the MSM hollering for the Muslim clerics to be more "sensitive" and "tolerant."


38 posted on 09/14/2006 1:48:07 PM PDT by XR7
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To: neverdem

Makes me love the Pope evn more!!


39 posted on 09/14/2006 1:50:05 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: B Knotts

Do Muslims celebrate Festivus? "First, the airing of
grievances."


40 posted on 09/14/2006 1:53:35 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for my new tag line, now I just need to find out who in the 14th century the Pope was quoting!


41 posted on 09/14/2006 1:54:28 PM PDT by 4woodenboats ("Show me what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman")
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To: stm

One big difference Pope JPII met with his would be assassin in jail and forgave him. Mohammed would have beheaded him in front of all to see. That is the difference between Christianity and Islame


In a nutshell: Jesus HEALED. MoHammed INJURED. Jesus LOVED. Mohammed HATED. Christianity preaches love and forgiveness. Islam preaches hate and destruction.


42 posted on 09/14/2006 1:54:40 PM PDT by hardworking (Please elect Comrade Clinton so that I can go on the dole too. Thank you.)
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To: livius

Do you by any chance have a link to the actual address?


43 posted on 09/14/2006 1:55:55 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Gordongekko909; kjo
Here's some more "Satin in human form":


44 posted on 09/14/2006 1:56:25 PM PDT by XR7
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

send those angry mooselimbs barrels of pig blood to bath in


45 posted on 09/14/2006 1:56:46 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: XR7

Well, the MSM are a bunch of limp-wristed metrosexual imbeciles. But I love hearing the Pope telling it like it is!


46 posted on 09/14/2006 1:56:49 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: hardworking

Well stated!


47 posted on 09/14/2006 1:57:29 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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48 posted on 09/14/2006 1:57:49 PM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

While I'm not catholic i am a christian and aware that it's going to come down to us or them, reguardless of religion.

It's becoming clear to me that millions will lie dead before this is over.

Let's just make sure it's millions of them not us.


49 posted on 09/14/2006 1:58:49 PM PDT by qman
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To: XR7

50 posted on 09/14/2006 1:59:31 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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