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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: wagglebee

“It seems that I was away from my computer for twenty four hours and Jim Robinson posted his best defense of conservatism EVER!”

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that. It was a good post, and I like the fact that we finally have an idea of what is meant by “conservative” on FR.

The side effect of this thread has been the large number of zots and suicides by mod. Some long time posters.


3,441 posted on 04/22/2007 6:16:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: processing please hold

Booyah!


3,442 posted on 04/22/2007 6:17:09 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: gpapa

You are a good gpapa and a smart one too!


3,443 posted on 04/22/2007 6:17:31 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ...
I hesitated to do a Catholic Ping, but there are several anti-Catholic posts on the later parts of this thread.,p. Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

3,444 posted on 04/22/2007 6:18:47 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: Chuck Dent

Well, you’re wrong. I was a California Republican from a young teen until I moved to GA five years ago.

I knew MANY totally pro-life women. Maybe you should figure out how many of those women were encouraged or forced to get abortions by a “Republican” “man”. Your numbers are ridiculous, because men can’t get abortions.


3,445 posted on 04/22/2007 6:19:29 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a democrat with an energized opposition than a leftist “Republican” with no opposition.)
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To: Miss Marple
Do you really mean to make it sound like those who don’t agree with you are NOT patriotic, don’t believe in God, etc?

No, it is not my point to say people are, or are not, patriotic or don't believe in God. Perhaps there are those who disagree with the positions put forward that would realize there are divergences with patriotism and with belief in God.
If so, so be it.

3,446 posted on 04/22/2007 6:20:08 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I guess it wasn’t really a good idea after all.


3,447 posted on 04/22/2007 6:20:58 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Spiff

Well that puts it in a stark contrast, and pretty says it all doesn’t it?

RINO he is, the cross dressing thing does not help either.


3,448 posted on 04/22/2007 6:20:58 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Sorry JJ - mods said “no thanks” ;’{


3,449 posted on 04/22/2007 6:21:01 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: KATIE-O
True Conservatives??? Pffffft!!!

In your case with Rudy, you're a twue conservative.

3,450 posted on 04/22/2007 6:21:38 PM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: rockrr

Oh well.


3,451 posted on 04/22/2007 6:21:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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Place Mark......


3,452 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:01 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The greatest danger to our troops is the Congress of the United States.)
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To: mkjessup; Jim Robinson
I had no idea that I was going to end up being the unofficial FR Undertaker for RINO-scum, trolls, RudyBots and other undesirables. ..Oh for gawdsakes. It's not like she's REALLY dead.

And my inbox is almost overflowing with 'LOLs' and 'ROFLs' so maybe you need to 'Lighten Up Francis'?

Dancing upon a FReeper's grave makes you giddy...
especially because your inbox is overflowing with laughter.

You do not speak for conservatives.

Your twisted glee (e.g. "ADIOS TWIT!", "Go screw yourself, you little twit,""don’t let the cat cover you up when you head back to your sandbox", and "you can follow Miss Katie right on out the door bucko") sanctioned by FReepmail ballot LOLs does not make your behavior appropriate or conservative. Nor does it resemble anything Christ-like. Hypocrisy such as yours is defenseless for a conservative, and in the eyes of God.

3,453 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:02 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often.)
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To: Chuck Dent
It doesn't demonstrate that women are holding the Republican party back from being conservative or that all women are deep down pro-choice.

As far as the majority of women getting abortions being, or rather identifying themselves as, *Chrisitian*, so what? Are we talking the twice a yearers? Those who claim Christianity because they're not muslim or atheist or because they were raised in some church and have nothing else to put down? A woman who was a real Christian wouldn't abort murder her own child.

You don't know and your statistics don't support your contention.

3,454 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: streetpreacher

:-)


3,455 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:50 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Kevmo

Wow, I’m less than 600 posts behind now.....


3,456 posted on 04/22/2007 6:23:47 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: Salvation
Oh, Chuckie boy, you are so wrong about Catholic women. There are many many many Catholic women who are true conservatives and who vote conservative.

Pro Life Catholic Woman pings....

and I raise you one pro life Catholic boy

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3,457 posted on 04/22/2007 6:25:18 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: streetpreacher
She must be loving the idea of a Rudy nomination.
THe DEMOCRATS love the idea of a Rudy nomination - It Hillary wins; they win - If Rudy wins; they win. They get a liberal in the Whitehouse either way.
3,458 posted on 04/22/2007 6:25:21 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Jim Robinson

Although granting him all due respect for his efforts of and after 9-11, I’ve been searching elsewhere past Rudy, McCain and the others for a primary candidate to back.

Hopefully Thompson will be that candidate, I like most of what I’ve read on his positions and stances. However, until he declares a candidacy, and actually wins the nomination I’m not shutting the door on consideration of any republican nominee.

Would I hold my nose and vote Rudy or even McCain...I’m still deciding that one. I’ve had it drummed into me since childhood about the responsibility of voting, so I don’t believe I’d sit out any election especially one so important. Would I be happy about holding my nose...certainly not. I too, am darned tired of that. But I won’t discount that possibility or necessity, especially at this early juncture.

That’s where I stand at this point. We’ve lost some very good freepers over all this, and I will miss many of them especially Peach.

I trust my current stance won’t be viewed as contrary to the purpose of the site where I’ve considered myself a guest for all these...yikes, five going on six years now.

But that decision is ultimately yours Jim.


3,459 posted on 04/22/2007 6:25:38 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Too blessed to be stressed.)
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To: 68 grunt

You are DISGUSTING and should be permanently banned.


3,460 posted on 04/22/2007 6:25:39 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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