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Prom night decisions: easier than parents think [teens have sex all year long now]
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 04/12/2008 | AISHA SULTAN

Posted on 04/14/2008 7:31:00 AM PDT by newgeezer

Diane Peterson works as a sales clerk at a Walgreens in Fenton. She was developing pictures last month when she spotted some familiar faces — teenage girls she has known since they were in kindergarten — in an X-rated spring break adventure.

"I was appalled by what I saw," Peterson said. It wasn't just the drunken, sexual poses that bothered her. She knew some of their parents. And she knew they didn't have a clue.

A recent poll commissioned by the cable network WE, which launched a docu-series called "High School Confidential," found a major communication gap between parents and their teenage daughters. Among the parents surveyed, 73% said they know much of what is happening in the lives of their adolescent daughters. Only 45% of the girls agreed with that.

Parents also had rosy — and unrealistic — visions about the closeness of their relationships with their daughters. Nearly 80% said their daughters could talk to them about anything. Only 54% of girls agreed.

Unlike clueless parents of the past, many of today's boomer parents bought into the friend-over-parent bargain. Consequently, they expect to be in their teen's inner circle, a person in whom their son or daughter confides.

... One in four teenage American girls has a sexually transmitted disease.

"We see a lot of random hooking up," said Brittany Dowell, a West County high school senior.

Such casualness about sexual activity has taken the pressure off what was once a climactic prom decision — do it or don't? — into a bit of a nonissue.

... Kids who want to have sex don't need to wait for a big school-sponsored party. And kids who want to wait to have sex, aren't going to change their minds because a prom committee decided "It's a Starry Night."

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(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


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KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; culturewar; friendsnotparents; hedonism; moralabsolutes; promiscuity; std; teenagers; teens; teensex
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Little if any pressure on prom night anymore. Everybody who's going to do it is already doing it.
1 posted on 04/14/2008 7:31:00 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: newgeezer

Thats so true, and if you tell them not to do it, they will do it anyhow...


2 posted on 04/14/2008 7:32:31 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: newgeezer
She knew some of their parents. And she knew they didn't have a clue.

Oh, really? Surely there aren't any parents left these days who are *that* dumb.

3 posted on 04/14/2008 7:33:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Your bitterness is boring. Have a Guinness and hug a kitten, already!)
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To: newgeezer

After last year’s prom, Ashlei and her boyfriend spent the night at her mom’s house in the family room in sleeping bags — giving a whole new meaning to the phrase being “off like a prom dress.”


4 posted on 04/14/2008 7:35:26 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I know a guy who displayed his Knights of Columbus Color Guard sword to his daughter’s Prom date. She said she never saw him again.


5 posted on 04/14/2008 7:40:59 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Proving once again that some “parents” are just too dumb for words.


6 posted on 04/14/2008 7:42:58 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: newgeezer

The solution to this, of course, is more classes for kids on how to have sex. That and free condoms.


7 posted on 04/14/2008 7:44:31 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: newgeezer

It is shocking to think that teens are having sex.


8 posted on 04/14/2008 7:45:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: newgeezer

The parents didn’t know? Horse feathers. They know, but don’t want to think about it. One evening we were at a neighbor’s house while their teenaged kids were watching a show on ABC Family Network (family??) called Kyle XY. The premise was kind of interesting, sort of sci-fi, but the storyline was atrocious: kids having sex, talking about having sex, parents knowing about all of this and providing condoms (instead of guidance). This was just ONE episode. On a network that calls itself ABC FAMILY.

So any kids watching this cr*pola no doubt think they’re somehow not in fashion if they’re not having sex.

I know I’m older than dirt, but when I was a kid, if I had behaved this way, and my parents found out about it, I’d have been sent off to the convent school to get my priorities straight.

But glorified on a channel that is supposedly for FAMILY? I shudder at the thought.


9 posted on 04/14/2008 7:45:09 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: massgopguy
I know a guy who displayed his Knights of Columbus Color Guard sword to his daughter’s Prom date. She said she never saw him again.

I always liked cleaning the shotgun on the front porch :-)
10 posted on 04/14/2008 7:45:45 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: massgopguy

This topic - teenage daughters and their dates - came up at a dinner Saturday night.

One man said he always made sure he was feeding items into the wood chipper when the date arrived!


11 posted on 04/14/2008 7:46:15 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: stuartcr

no. what’s shocking is that a greater number of teens are having promiscuous, meaningless hookup sex, outside of the context of a relationship, at earlier ages than in the past. teenagers have always had sex. they have not always been utter sluts, as a large percentage of them appear to be today.


12 posted on 04/14/2008 7:46:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: newgeezer

Daughter’s father to prom date: Do you believe in life after death?

Prom date: Why yes, why do you ask?

Father: Because if you even touch my daughter tonight, your belief in the afterlife will immediately tested.


13 posted on 04/14/2008 7:47:47 AM PDT by Eurale
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To: cvq3842; massgopguy

You just have to raise your daughters right. When my 17-year-old invited her boyfriend to go bowling last weekend, she said she was bringing her younger brother along, and suggested her boyfriend bring his. And when she went to the movies with him a few weeks ago, she took the “Federalist Papers” in her pocket, “just in case I get bored.”


14 posted on 04/14/2008 7:49:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Your bitterness is boring. Have a Guinness and hug a kitten, already!)
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To: newgeezer

If any of the girls were under 18, did she turn the photos over to the police?

How about the evidence of underage drinking?

“oh but what will their parents think”


15 posted on 04/14/2008 7:49:20 AM PDT by weegee (Religion is the opiate of the masses MARX1843 They get bitter, they cling to...religion OBAMA2008)
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To: Poetgal26

It is part of the growth process to rebel and explore. I think one problem is that many parents make it so taboo to even discuss these issues that as soon as the child is free, the go nuts rebelling. We had a joke about a local Baptist University. You always knew who the sluttiest kids where, they were the ones w/ the most oppressive parents. The kids of the parents who actually were open and discussed issues were the ones most likely to wait until marriage. This isn’t about sex, but drinking, drugs, you name it...


16 posted on 04/14/2008 7:50:05 AM PDT by mnehrling
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To: massgopguy

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17 posted on 04/14/2008 7:50:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: newgeezer

Parents are too busy chasing the $$$$ and their “quality” time consists of teens telling parents what they WANT to hear as they cruise through life doin as THEY PLEASE.


18 posted on 04/14/2008 7:52:09 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: cvq3842

Did he save that old boot for a large stick to push into the wood chipper, with some hamburger, as the date arrived? Works like a charm.

Of course, the libido is lessened by a litany of leprous SIDs.


19 posted on 04/14/2008 7:52:09 AM PDT by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: MizSterious
The parents didn’t know? Horse feathers. They know, but don’t want to think about it.

The topic of another thread is teenagers taking porn pictures of themselves with their cell phones and sending them to other teens.

The O'Reilly factor had a story about this a couple of months ago, where it really hit the fan (some district in upstate New York I think) because one enterprising young man (17 years old) started putting the pictures on CDs and selling them.

Anyway, when the police started talking to the parents of the kids sending the pictures of themselves, the police were shocked to learn that "most of the parents just didn't think it was a big deal!!!"
20 posted on 04/14/2008 7:52:10 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Poetgal26

Even when it was criminal?

Used to be a crime. Now those who are under age can consent even though they are “too young” to consent.

They can even consent to someone over the age of majority if they are near in age.

And that goes for homosexuals too so what they said about Lawrence v. Texas was a lie. It wasn’t just about consenting ADULTS in private, it was for anyone. And considering the public sex homosexuals engage in and the public school recoginition of homosexuals, it wasn’t about being in private either.

Slippery slope. Don’t be surprised by the results at the bottom in the gutter.


21 posted on 04/14/2008 7:52:22 AM PDT by weegee (Religion is the opiate of the masses MARX1843 They get bitter, they cling to...religion OBAMA2008)
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To: BikerJoe
I always liked cleaning the shotgun on the front porch :-)

LoL- when my wife and I first started dating, my future Father in Law and Brother in Law took me skeet shooting, freaked my wife out that they were taking me out w/ shotguns. The whole dynamic changed though when I out-shot both of them.

22 posted on 04/14/2008 7:52:52 AM PDT by mnehrling
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To: newgeezer

“She was developing pictures last month when she spotted some familiar faces — teenage girls she has known since they were in kindergarten — in an X-rated spring break adventure.”

Now, I realize parents can’t control everything their kids do, as we can’t be everywhere with them, but sending your kids off on a “spring break adventure” is a bad idea. When my kids are that age, I will not be funding or allowing any spring break or poorly chaperoned senior trips. I can’t control these things once they’re of legal age, living elsewhere, and making their own money, but until all of those apply, they’re living by our rules. They may not like me so much for a few years in high school, but I can live with that. Wow, I sound like my parents ... scary.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 7:54:26 AM PDT by chickpundit (I will abide under the shadow of the Almighty.)
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To: weegee

Oh I am not suprised


24 posted on 04/14/2008 7:55:18 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: xsmommy

Of course, the “rebellion” is a challenge to do “more” of whatever everyone else is doing.

Whether you are a sports star, pop star, movie star, or “most popular” it is all about being known these days.


25 posted on 04/14/2008 7:56:51 AM PDT by weegee (Religion is the opiate of the masses MARX1843 They get bitter, they cling to...religion OBAMA2008)
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To: MizSterious

ABC Family’s parent company is DISNEY, so in a sense that was A Disney channel. Walt is doing summersaults in his grave.


26 posted on 04/14/2008 7:58:49 AM PDT by weegee (Religion is the opiate of the masses MARX1843 They get bitter, they cling to...religion OBAMA2008)
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To: massgopguy

My daughter recently turned 15 and on her bday, she wanted to invite her new crush to our home. Well, she also has two older brothers and three older cousins, one who is a young Marine. They were also at her b’day party; all five of them. They got wind that she had extended the boy an invite and they gathered in our back yard to wait for him. I allowed the fellow to come because there was parental supervision; however, I did not realize “the boys” had schemed to interrogate and basically terrify the kid. The boy came over and they all hung out in the back yard for a while...together. I’ve been told the young fellow that my daughter invited is now too scared to even glance her way. I’ve been told he’s also warned others. Our phone doesn’t ring so much lately.


27 posted on 04/14/2008 7:59:38 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore
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To: All

I guess it comes across that I am suprised teens are having sex these days, I am not at all, cause I know how young people are, I was there once and yes I am still young, but I have grown up, got married and had a family


28 posted on 04/14/2008 8:00:40 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: newgeezer
Ah... Memories of my Senior Prom in '87.

My prom date naked in our hotel room, her dress crumpled on the floor and her nubile body writhing on the bed in sexual gratification.

And me. Down in the hotel lobby, hanging out with my friends.

Good times!

29 posted on 04/14/2008 8:00:45 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: chickpundit
"...sending your kids off on a “spring break adventure” is a bad idea."

You are so right. Did people learn nothing from what happened during a poorly chaperoned "spring break adventure" in Aruba?

30 posted on 04/14/2008 8:02:23 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: xsmommy

And that is also shocking.


31 posted on 04/14/2008 8:03:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: weegee

No kidding. If Walt could come back and take a look at his company, he wouldn’t recognize it.


32 posted on 04/14/2008 8:04:35 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: stuartcr

ok, you aren’t shocked by the continual debasing of our society. i get that. how cosmopolitan and worldy of you.


33 posted on 04/14/2008 8:07:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Poetgal26

I am a guardian appointed by the court. The girls in my custody will not date outside of parental supervision until they are 18. Tough.


34 posted on 04/14/2008 8:11:57 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: BikerJoe

If the children and the parents involved don’t think it was a big deal, is it really anyone else’s concern?


35 posted on 04/14/2008 8:16:30 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: xsmommy

I prefer to call it just plain seeing things how they actually are, vice cosmopolitan and worldly.


36 posted on 04/14/2008 8:19:35 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

and you know, i think most everyone on this thread, myself included, live in the real world, see things for how they really are and just LAMENT the fact. that’s all. i have teenagers, i know very well what the situation is these days as compared to when i was a teenager. and it is sad.


37 posted on 04/14/2008 8:21:25 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Everything changes, our morals aren’t the same as they were 200yrs ago or even 50 yers ago, and they will probably be different 100 yrs from now. It’s just the way of the world.


38 posted on 04/14/2008 8:27:38 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

when moral relativism is extant, yes.


39 posted on 04/14/2008 8:31:50 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: stuartcr

No, I guess not for those who have already given their souls over to Satan.


40 posted on 04/14/2008 8:31:56 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: MizSterious

Yeah, “ABC Family” is way out there these days. I remember when it first appeared and I knew it as the station that would actually still show the old Rankin-Bass Christmas specials. Now it’s the home of bilge like “Greek” and the station’s tagline is “ABC Family: A New Kind of Family.”


41 posted on 04/14/2008 8:34:41 AM PDT by manapua
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To: xsmommy

Even when it isn’t. You don’t really expect things to not change over the years, do you?


42 posted on 04/14/2008 8:51:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: steve86

??? teenagers having sex means they have turned their souls over to satan?


43 posted on 04/14/2008 8:52:15 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

morality has not always been in steady decline over the ages, there are ups and downs. i do not think it is inevitable that morals decline.


44 posted on 04/14/2008 8:52:39 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Poetgal26

You still tell them. Parents have a responsibility to teach their children to make good choices.


45 posted on 04/14/2008 8:55:34 AM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: xsmommy

Perhaps, as you say, this is just one of the down periods.


46 posted on 04/14/2008 8:56:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: MizSterious

And the kids knowing the parents know they are watching the show is like an “okay” from the parents. That’s how kids think.


47 posted on 04/14/2008 8:57:02 AM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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To: fightinJAG

Oh I know and there’s some good kids out there that will listen....


48 posted on 04/14/2008 8:57:17 AM PDT by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our vets! (RIP Sgt Matthew Maupin))
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To: stuartcr
and that is why there is presently a culture war underway. because not everyone, especially those of us with children, is prepared to just lay down and acquiesce to it, as the moral relativists would have us do.
49 posted on 04/14/2008 8:58:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

This promiscuity at such an early age actually stunts their brain development, not to mention their emotional development.

They become unable to have a truly physically and emotionally intimate relationship in the future.

I once read that Paris Hilton said that all her boyfriends complained that, when they had sex, she “wasn’t there.” She said that was because it was in fact a meaningless act to her; she could talk on the phone while it was occurring and not miss anything.

Even Paris Hilton was smart enough to chalk it up to becoming emotionally numb due to longtime promiscuity. She then said she was going celibate for a year, which she prompted reneged on, just out of habit.

This is what these children are signing up for: eventually a lifetime of relative emotional numbness, where they can never truly connect with another human in an emotionally intimate way.


50 posted on 04/14/2008 9:01:07 AM PDT by fightinJAG (RUSH: McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton longer than we've been in Iraq, and never gave up.)
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