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Hunters present in North America 800 years earlier than previously thought: DNA analysis
http://www.physorg.com ^ | 20 OCT 2011 | Provided by Texas A&M University

Posted on 10/20/2011 12:18:28 PM PDT by Red Badger

The tip of a bone point fragment found embedded in a mastodon rib from an archaeological site in Washington state shows that hunters were present in North America at least 800 years before Clovis, confirming that the first inhabitants arrived earlier to North America than previously thought, says a team of researchers led by a Texas A&M University archaeologist.

Michael Waters, director of the Center for the Study of the First Americans in the Department of Anthropology at Texas A&M, and colleagues from Colorado, Washington and Denmark believe the find at the Manis site in Washington demonstrates that humans were in the area around 13,800 years ago, or 800 years earlier than was believed. Their work is published in the current issue of Science magazine.

In the late 1970s, an adult male mastodon was excavated from a pond at the Manis site. The distribution of the bones and the discovery that some of the bones were broken suggested that the elephant had been killed and butchered by human hunters, Waters explains. However, no stone tools or weapons were found at the site. The key artifact from the site was what appeared to be a bone point sticking out of one of the ribs, but the artifact and the age of the site were disputed.

Waters contacted team member and original excavator, Carl Gustafson, about performing new tests on the rib with the bone point. New radiocarbon dates confirmed that the site was 13,800 years old. High resolution CT scanning and three-dimensional modeling confirmed that the embedded bone was a spear point, and DNA and bone protein analysis showed that the bone point was made of mastodon bone.

"The Manis site is an early kill site" Waters says.

"The evidence from the Manis site shows that people were hunting mastodons with bone weapons before the Clovis stone spear point."

The new evidence from Manis supports extinction theories of large mammals at the end of the last Ice Age, Waters says. During the last cold period, herds of mammoth, mastodon, camels, horses and other animals roamed Texas and North America. At the end of the Ice Age, these animals became extinct.

"While these animals were stressed by the changing climate and vegetation patterns at the end of the Ice Age, it is now clear from sites like Manis that humans were also hunting these animals and may have been a factor in their demise," Waters adds. He also notes that "there are at least two other pre-Clovis kill sites in Wisconsin where hunters killed mammoths."

'Clovis' is the name given to the distinctive tools made by people starting around 13,000 years ago. The Clovis people invented the 'Clovis point', a spear-shaped weapon made of stone that is found in Texas and the rest of the United States and northern Mexico. These weapons were used to hunt animals, including mammoths and mastodons, from 13,000 to 12,700 years ago.

Waters says that "the evidence from the Manis site is helping to reshape our understanding of the earliest inhabitants of the Americas, the last continent to be occupied by modern humans."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: archaeology; arrowhead; clovis; godsgravesglyphs; indian; nativeamericans; paleontology; sourcetitlenoturl
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This figure shows a mastodon rib with the embedded bone projectile point. (A) Closeup view. (B) Reconstruction showing the bone point with the broken tip. The thin layer represents the exterior of the rib. (C) CT X-ray showing the long shaft of the point from the exterior to the interior of the rib. (D) The entire rib fragment with the embedded bone projectile point. Credit: University of Copenhagen

This figure shows the anatomical position of the Manis rib. (A) Two vertebrae with the Manis rib inserted into its correct anatomical position. The blue arrow points to the embedded point fragment. (B) Side view of mastodon vertebrae with the Manis rib inserted into its correct anatomical position, with the trajectory of the point indicated. (C) Mastodon skeleton showing the location of ribs 12 to 14. Credit: University of Copenhagen

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1 posted on 10/20/2011 12:18:35 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG PING!..........


2 posted on 10/20/2011 12:19:24 PM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: Red Badger

Were they Hebrew ? (sorry just had to say it.. my apologies to those that do not get the ref.)


3 posted on 10/20/2011 12:23:21 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Red Badger

Boy are they really gonna be confused when they find one with a lead bullet or a lazer burn!


4 posted on 10/20/2011 12:25:53 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: Red Badger

It's their cover story for Nov. I'm not a subscriber, but here is some articles from them.

The First Americans: Mounting Evidence Prompts Researchers to Reconsider the Peopling of the New World

On the Trail of the First Americans [Interactive]

These dates still don't go back far enough. Topper and others like it will rewrite everything.

5 posted on 10/20/2011 12:26:31 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: eastforker

I’m still waiting for one to show up wearing Nephite or Lamanite beads.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 12:27:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: FritzG

Charles Mann writes about this in his books “1491” and “1493,” the Americas before and just after the arrival of Europeans.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 12:30:03 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red Badger

It took one helluva man to run up and kill a mastodon with a rock.

I don’t suppose the University of North Dakota would be allowed to rename its hockey team after these guys?


8 posted on 10/20/2011 1:07:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

NCAA would go berserk..........


9 posted on 10/20/2011 1:15:57 PM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: FritzG

They left out the European Route.


10 posted on 10/20/2011 1:18:04 PM PDT by DManA
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11 posted on 10/20/2011 1:36:23 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Red Badger

Oh geez...here’s another group that’s gonna want reparations because of the atrocites brought on by those evil-white-European-criminal-invaders.


12 posted on 10/20/2011 1:37:11 PM PDT by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: DManA

.. and the natural evolution of the tools -

The article even say s”Clovis people invented ...” -


13 posted on 10/20/2011 1:48:30 PM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Bidimus1

They found a “Mitt 2012” bumper sticker on the rear end of the mastodon.


14 posted on 10/20/2011 1:52:41 PM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?)
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To: Red Badger
These clowns keep missing the vital point when it comes to extinction of the animals after all the glaciers disappeared. What killed them off was lack of water, once the glaciers melted the water rapidly evaporated with no way to replenish the supply. Since there wasn't enough water to supply all the animals, large numbers died out.

They quit having offspring because with the water, went the feed. This can be seen among the deer of today. If any given year is dry and the food supply low, deer will NOT have twins, and in many cases will not have fawns at all. In years when the food supply is plentiful, deer will have twin fawns. This is a well documented fact. A fact that scientists hate to mention when they are talking about extinction because they want to put the blame on man.

Evil man killed all the animals. There is no way a bunch of cave men using either bone points or flint points and using only spears, killed off any species to the point they became extinct. Nor did they kill enough of them to "aid in the extinction".

If men killed all the animals, why was there so much game in North America(not to mention south of the border)when the white men first showed up. Millions of buffalo, while they are fairly large they are nothing compared to Mammoths and Mastodons, so why were they still around? Not to mention, deer, Elk, Moose, Antelope, Bears(grizzly and black bear), wolves etc. Answer: Because primitive man, including Indians, couldn't kill them fast enough to wipe them out, even by running them over cliffs.

Once the herds had dwindled to the size the food and water could support the extinctions stopped.

15 posted on 10/20/2011 2:16:48 PM PDT by calex59
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To: FritzG
This Journey Of Mankind constructed from the dna work of professor Stephan Oppenheimer shows humans exhiled at Meadowcroft 25,000 years ago. These must be the people with the 'European' X gene.
16 posted on 10/20/2011 2:19:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: FritzG
Why 50,000 bp is a "Crazy Date" for Topper
17 posted on 10/20/2011 2:23:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Charles Mann writes about this in his books “1491” and “1493,” the Americas before and just after the arrival of Europeans. "

Posted to FR in 2002:

1491

18 posted on 10/20/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: DManA
"They left out the European Route. "

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean?)

19 posted on 10/20/2011 2:32:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Somebody say Clovis? Heres one I made last week, I use hammerstones and antler to make them. Photobucket
20 posted on 10/20/2011 2:40:59 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
Did you really make that? If so, excellent.

BTW, Dusty, I have some friends who are named Roland and Sandy Meadows.

21 posted on 10/20/2011 3:08:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: Red Badger

About the only thing regarding the early intercontental migrations of humans is our current levels of knowledge are woefully short of any “truth” ! Most accounts I’ve read delimit these tribes to “primitive technologies” ! I submit, because most of those artifacts were ephemeral, we can’t make that assumption ! >PS


22 posted on 10/20/2011 4:07:33 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: Dusty Road

what do you use them for?


23 posted on 10/20/2011 4:26:50 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: blam

1493 got a good review in the WSJ just a few months ago.


24 posted on 10/20/2011 4:31:48 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"I'm still predicting Gold at $1,200 by the end of the year. "

Thanks. I may try to read it.

NYT's review

25 posted on 10/20/2011 7:06:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

OOPs. Somehow lol, I mixed up two threads, sorry.


26 posted on 10/20/2011 7:10:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: Red Badger; decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Red Badger.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


27 posted on 10/20/2011 11:50:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
Some are framed for display others have been given to friends and family. It's a hobby I picked up many years ago. Photobucket Photobucket
28 posted on 10/21/2011 2:48:22 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Red Badger

I have always thought that Clovis being the earliest men in America was rankly silly. There it is in New Mexico. Did they just fly in there on an Airbus the month before? If they came the Bering route surely it took a while. If they came down the coast in boats surely they didn’t hop on a bus and go to New Mexico from Santa Catalina.


29 posted on 10/21/2011 5:38:29 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

The Clovis people were probably illegals........................


30 posted on 10/21/2011 5:46:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: Red Badger

Hunted the animals to extinction? But... but... “Native Americans” were peaceful vegetarians, living in calm harmony with nature and all living things. I’m so confused!


31 posted on 10/21/2011 6:02:34 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: pabianice

There were not enough humans in the New World to hunt anything to extinction. That explanation has always been malarkey. There was a huge die-off by all large animals at the end of the last ice age, possibly a meteoric event..........


32 posted on 10/21/2011 6:10:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: blam

LOL! Anthro PCers still trying to deny that the first Americans came from Europe.


33 posted on 10/21/2011 6:18:06 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: Red Badger

Uh-huh. Where’s the huge crater such a hit would create?


34 posted on 10/21/2011 6:19:22 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: Red Badger

“Home Page removed by Moderator.” Huh?


35 posted on 10/21/2011 6:20:28 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: pabianice

It’s called Hudson Bay.............


36 posted on 10/21/2011 6:33:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: pabianice

supposedly up near Sudbury Ont., and also supposedly responsible for the nickel deposits there.


37 posted on 10/21/2011 6:39:26 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Red Badger
"The evidence from the Manis site shows that people were hunting mastodons with bone weapons before the Clovis stone spear point."

Also, the discovery of what appears to be a mastodon hunting blind littered with ancient beer cans and potato chip bags further supports the theory that people were hunting in the area much earlier than previously believed.

38 posted on 10/21/2011 6:50:57 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

Hold muh grog and watch this..............


39 posted on 10/21/2011 6:56:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: blam
OOPs. Somehow lol, I mixed up two threads, sorry.

Who knows? A few more stories like these and all of native American History could be turned on its head. What would that do to the price of gold? We can only imagine.

40 posted on 10/21/2011 7:28:00 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Bidimus1
Were they Hebrew?

Nephites.

41 posted on 10/21/2011 7:32:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: blam

Well, I went through school with a guy named Sandy Claus.


42 posted on 10/21/2011 11:00:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: pabianice; Red Badger; RitchieAprile; SunkenCiv; blam; All

The huge crater(s) is/are probably in lake Michigan. Sudbury was caused incredibly earlier, I think it might have been at least a billion years ago, but certainly not during any period of humanoids. Sunken Civ, time to post that Firestone book on the 13,000 yo meteor strike.


43 posted on 10/23/2011 9:40:49 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin; pabianice; Red Badger; RitchieAprile; SunkenCiv
Comet Theory Collides With Clovis Research, May Explain Disappearance of Ancient People
44 posted on 10/23/2011 10:48:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: gleeaikin; blam

:’)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1876220/posts?page=48#48


45 posted on 10/24/2011 3:50:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv

My take on the article is better late to the party than never to have gone.


46 posted on 10/24/2011 1:10:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

They found one bone tipped spearhead in the bones of a dead mammoth. Wonder what happened to the guy that did it?.......


47 posted on 10/24/2011 1:18:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: Red Badger

They should check the bottom of the mammoth’s feet.


48 posted on 10/24/2011 6:48:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: colorado tanker

“Ya should have hung out, mannnn!” — Dave Attell


49 posted on 10/24/2011 6:49:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Been busy so just getting caught up on NM topics.

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50 posted on 10/29/2011 8:12:37 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sarah's out; need a new tagline...)
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