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Oldest weapons ever discovered in North America uncovered in Texas
fox ^ | 10/25/2018 | Jennifer Earl

Posted on 10/25/2018 6:37:01 PM PDT by chief lee runamok

Ancient tools that may give historians a glimpse into America's history were recently discovered just feet below the surface in Texas. Researchers with Texas A&M University made the stunning discovery during a dig at the Debra L. Friedkin site, located just 40 miles northwest of Austin. Archaeologists have been searching for artifacts at the site near Buttermilk Creek for more than a decade — but this may be their most important find yet.

Michael Waters, professor of anthropology and director of the Center for the Study of the First Americans at Texas A&M, and staff from Baylor University and the University of Texas described the various ancient items they found in a study published in the latest issue of Science Advances. The team reveals they found 3 to 4-inch weapons, including spear points made of chert, under sediment they believe to be at least 15,500 years old.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: buttermilkcreek; clovis; folsom; godsgravesglyphs; localnews; preclovis; precolumbian; texas
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To: Reily

I tend to believe Clovis and pre-clovis we’re mostly erased about 13000 years ago with a Younger Dryas impact event. Sucked to be northerner. But some middle folk pushed south and both they and the southerner’s remembered, in pieces, imho.

The ultimate game changer.


21 posted on 10/25/2018 7:27:20 PM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

You ever been to a Whataburger in Texas
For that matter ever have steak fingers with white gravy
at a Dairy Queen or ever had chilie at Jewell’s cafe in Decatur back in the day ?


22 posted on 10/25/2018 7:32:05 PM PDT by advertising guy (The manliest man Obama knows is married to him.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Of course
Just as President TRUMP is foretold in the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:52
“In a moment , in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP”
AND

Thessalonians 4:16
“ For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD”
I’m just sayin
...


23 posted on 10/25/2018 7:34:02 PM PDT by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON)
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To: epluribus_2

Have you ever thought about how much time was needed and devoted to making tools every day just to maintain calories? The amount of tools lost, broken and the time used up to find and recover them?

I can see the huge advantage in having small clans so that this huge demand of time and labor to survive could be shared.

Just So that more hunting could be done by a few while the others searched for and collected suitable cores to make tools all day long to supply the hunters need.

I think the calorie “profit margin” was very slim for the lone wolf verses the members of a clan.


24 posted on 10/25/2018 7:36:30 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Cen-Tejas

The Maverick Grill, IH-20 @ US 281 Has a great hamburger.


25 posted on 10/25/2018 7:39:16 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's fore sure)
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To: Deaf Smith

Here in New Mexico, Blake’s lotaburgers is one of the top favorites.


26 posted on 10/25/2018 7:45:06 PM PDT by Redcitizen (I don't always lurk, but when I do, Freerepublic.)
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To: epluribus_2

They try to suppress it, but here were migrations during the previous interglacial before the last glacial. 30,000 yrs ago or more. Is taboo to allow digging past the 14,000 yr level. Careers are destroyed or finances are cut off. But slowly there are those who do go beyond the “acceptable” level when no one is watching and this is what they are finding when they do.

There is more down there deeper, and it is older than we are programmed to accept or acknowledge.


27 posted on 10/25/2018 7:46:37 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: chief lee runamok

Well they had to be found in Texas. Most blue states banned double sided spear tips years ago. Single sided spear tips with rounded tips are okay in those states with a license and after a ten day waiting period.


28 posted on 10/25/2018 7:49:40 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: epluribus_2

Something interesting is that the Clovis points found in South America are actually older than the ones found in North America, indicating they migrated to the North from the South.

I found this to be very interesting considering the official narrative. :)


29 posted on 10/25/2018 8:00:50 PM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Cen-Tejas

They have a Becks Prime in Pflugerville now. I prefer to order Bill’s Burger cooked medium rare.


30 posted on 10/25/2018 8:22:10 PM PDT by rhinohunter (Dear Mr. Trump: I'm still not tired of winning)
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To: chief lee runamok

15,500 years ago is pre-Clovis, which means we have to rewrite the timetable of when we think the first Asians crossed the Bering land mass to North America.


31 posted on 10/25/2018 9:08:54 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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32 posted on 10/25/2018 11:32:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: Paal Gulli

Maybe it wasn’t Asians and maybe it wasn’t across the Bering Straits. There are some who think it may have been from the east. There have been some interesting finds in following the path of the Solutreans. I’ve been commissioned 3 times in the last two years to make Solutrean style Laurel Leaf blades for class room examples. As for the points they found in Texas they just look like Hell Gap points that have been found in many states. The Hell Gap is just one of several examples of Paleo style points. If FR stops requiring third party hosting and comes out of the stone age I can show you several examples of Hell Gaps I’ve personally found here on the ranch. Since they’re using a different method of dating on this particular site other than carbon dating not everybody is taking this claim as fact. They used OSL to date the sediment and it’s not widely accepted. Has a higher margin of error than radiocarbon, but can be used in situations where carbon isn’t preserved, and it can date older material.

Here’s some examples of recovered Hell Gaps.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hell+gap+point&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=YgN0FaIwzeV4wM%253A%252CDJHWGpJW_CW1-M%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQ3QFrWTpYE1Ob-c8vSwF0dBcxz9g&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiH2_uS86PeAhVHVK0KHZolCVcQ9QEwBnoECAYQDg#imgrc=YgN0FaIwzeV4wM:


33 posted on 10/26/2018 3:32:45 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Deaf Smith

Deaf Smith was/is one of my top 3 favorites in Texas History!

Travis and Houston are the other two. Travis because he was young, just getting started with his life, had a young son and was an attorney but chose certain death for “principle”.

Deaf was daily involved in more actual “fighting” I think than just about anyone else.


34 posted on 10/26/2018 5:39:51 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: rhinohunter

.……...I will try that next time I’m over to Pflugerville.
Thanks for the tip.


35 posted on 10/26/2018 5:44:44 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Dusty Road
Here's one I just made about an hour ago.  photo DSCN0449_zpsaxnwuxwm.jpg
36 posted on 10/26/2018 5:52:39 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Dusty Road

Thank you for that, and for being truly interested in more than a Texas hamburger.

Apparently Clovis were also found at the Hell Gap site? I would be curious which was stratified deeper if you happen to know?

I can see a possible transition from the Hell Gap points to Clovis or vice versa in some of the Thrall points. The Hell Gap design is interesting because it is no nonsense and appears to be a much sturdier shape than just about every other shape found. Stubby, practical and solid rather than intricate with possible vulnerabilities to being fragile like the Solutrean leaf points.

But there are some strange things going on with all these finds.There have been Western stemmed points found at Paisley Caves dated to before Clovis yet no Clovis. Yet at Hell Gap there has been Western stemmed points found above Clovis indicating a later West to East migration.

Then there is the Solutrean that indicates an East to West migration. And the fact that South American Clovis are older than the North American Clovis indicates a South to North migration. The Santa Rosa Channel Island Finds indicate a Coastal Route by watercraft and the pre-clovis age finds in Brazil indicate a possible connection with Africa across the Atlantic.

To me this all adds up to several migrations from different directions at different time periods. I think to try and limit migrations to just one possibility from only one direction and try to discredit all the other possibilities is holding us back from recognizing the true complex possibilities.

It is ignorant to assume with a closed mind that all early man were hydrophobic and were not smart enough to float. Or that it was impossible to skirt along ice packs like Antarctica and find enough calories to make and survive a trip like that from Australia and New Zealand to South America. We are failing to give early Hominids the credit of being much smarter than we think.

There cannot be a total sum without more than one factor. And we are always trying to limit everything to just one factor. We will never find the true sum if we don’t stop recognizing all the possible factors in the whole equation.


37 posted on 10/26/2018 6:00:33 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Dusty Road

Well done Knapper! Very nice work!


38 posted on 10/26/2018 6:02:37 AM PDT by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind

Something interesting is that the Clovis points found in South America are actually older than the ones found in North America, indicating they migrated to the North from the South...................................

How do they compare age wise with the European Clovis finds?


39 posted on 10/26/2018 6:03:11 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Paal Gulli

Even before the last ice age...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/new-evidence-human-activity-north-america-130000-years-ago-180963046/


40 posted on 10/26/2018 6:16:50 AM PDT by Openurmind
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