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Ancient Map Of Africa Poses Questions
cooltech.iafrica ^ | 11-12-2002

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:21:38 AM PST by blam

Ancient map of Africa poses questions

The unveiling in South Africa's parliament on Monday of a replica of an ancient Chinese map of the then known world which includes a recognisable outline of Africa is raising intriguing questions of which foreigners first explored the continent.

"The idea is to take us beyond what we have been ... brainwashed into believing" declared Speaker Frene Ginwala at the opening of the exhibition, which includes other maps and rock art.

The "Da Ming Hun Yi Tu", the Amalgamated Map of the Great Ming Empire, dates back to 1389, decades before the first European voyages to Africa.

Among recognisable features are the Nile River and South Africas Drakensberg mountain range.

The map also shows a great lake, covering almost half the continents land mass. Researchers suggest it may have been drawn on the basis of an Arab legend that stated "farther south from the Sahara Desert is a great lake, far greater than the Caspian Sea".

(The biggest lake in Africa, Lake Victoria, is in fact only a fifth of the size of the Caspian Sea.)

"We have the worlds best researchers working on it," said parliaments senior researcher Heindri Bailey, who was hesitant about drawing conclusions from it.

"Until we are able to gain the knowledge we wont speculate on it."

The original of the map is housed in Beijing where it has remained wrapped up, sealed and stowed behind a locked door since the fall of Chinas last emperor in 1924. Fewer than 20 people have had access to it since then.

The digitised reproduction of the map on silk is almost four metres (around 12 feet) high and more than four metres across.

Place names are written mostly in Manchu, a now virtually extinct language, and still in need to be translated.

Karen Harris of the historical and heritage studies department at the University of Pretoria said that as early as the 1st century AD records had been found in China mentioning places in Africa.

"They had the capability, definitely," she said. "Theres not so much evidence to prove it, but it isnt a closed book yet."

A picture dated 11 November 2002 shows a detail on the Da Ming Hun Yi Tu (the Amalgamated Map of the Great Ming Empire) dating back to 1389 which is arguably the oldest world map in existence that accurately reflects the African continent.

Harris said that at the time the Chinese were seeking tribute and not trade for the emperor and therefore would not have set up bases or left behind significant markings as was the case with Europeans.

This, she said, would make it difficult to uncover evidence in support of Chinese having been there, adding: "You wouldnt find human remains because the Chinese took their bodies back to their ancestral lands."

But Bailey said some circumstantial evidence existed in South Africa to suggest the Chinese had navigated around Africa long before Bartolomeu Dias rounded the Cape of Good Hope in 1488.

"Chinese pottery has been found in (South Africas northern) Limpopo Province dating back to around the 13th century and there's rock art in the Eastern Cape depicting Chinese-looking characters," Bailey said.

British amateur researcher Gavin Menzies, a submarine engineer, argues in "1421", a book which came out this month, that Chinese admiral Zheng He circumnavigated the globe between 1421 and 1423, 100 years before the crew of Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan, who was killed en route.

Zheng He, a eunuch who never travelled with fewer than 300 ships, the biggest carrying 1000 people, is long known to have visited Asia, India, Gulf countries, and Somalia, from where he took back giraffes and lions.

The official history also mentions "Franca" (France and Portugal) and Holland, with the Hollanders described as tall people with red hair and beards.

To meet them in their homeland, Zheng He would have had to sail round the southern tip of Africa.

This is the first time that a copy of the map has been shown outside China. The original is a derivative of an even earlier one dated 1320, which was believed to have been destroyed.

That was before Zheng He's birth (he lived from 1371 to 1435), which deepens the mystery.

Some of the later European maps on show in parliament illustrate dragons, snakes and one-eyed monsters in the inland regions.


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41 posted on 03/15/2006 10:02:43 AM PST by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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To: blam
A picture dated 11 November 2002 shows a detail on the Da Ming Hun Yi Tu (the Amalgamated Map of the Great Ming Empire) dating back to 1389 which is arguably the oldest world map in existence that accurately reflects the African continent.

I'm not sure how accurate the map is, but the Chinese Navy had hundreds of ships in the 14th century. They must've been sailing somewhere.

42 posted on 03/15/2006 10:19:48 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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"The idea is to take us beyond what we have been ... brainwashed into believing" declared Speaker Frene Ginwala at the opening of the exhibition...
..."and brainwash everyone into believing something else."
43 posted on 03/15/2006 10:09:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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44 posted on 04/02/2006 1:03:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SauronOfMordor
kill all the Muslim men, take the women (who, I'm sure, would prefer to toss the burkhas in the trash)

It is hard to argue with a young man with a glint in his eye, more so if there are a few hundred million and no girls to be had. Your scenario is quite plausible and it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Funny, you don't read about how this is going to factor into global events in the near future.

45 posted on 04/02/2006 1:11:59 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: SandwicheGuy; SunkenCiv

We should ignore all interesting threads for a while because the cryptkeeper is updating his database.


46 posted on 04/02/2006 1:13:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (Nothing can evolve which has not been involved)
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I don't get it either. The story clearly states:

"it may have been drawn on the basis of an Arab legend"

which suggests at least part of the map isn't even drawn from first hand knowledge, and we all know how useful 'Arab' knowledge is (let alone an 'Arab' legend), and to rely on that seems a bit foolhardy.

What Arab Civilization?

47 posted on 04/02/2006 1:16:30 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Skywalk
Merina man:
48 posted on 04/02/2006 1:31:39 PM PDT by Torie
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To: RightWhale

Cryptkeeper? Sounds like a GGG topic in the making... ;')


49 posted on 04/02/2006 2:37:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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