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New trigonometry is a sign of the time
physorg.com ^ | September 16, 2005

Posted on 09/18/2005 8:41:47 AM PDT by cloud8

Mathematics students have cause to celebrate. A University of New South Wales academic, Dr Norman Wildberger, has rewritten the arcane rules of trigonometry and eliminated sines, cosines and tangents from the trigonometric toolkit.

What's more, his simple new framework means calculations can be done without trigonometric tables or calculators, yet often with greater accuracy.

Established by the ancient Greeks and Romans, trigonometry is used in surveying, navigation, engineering, construction and the sciences to calculate the relationships between the sides and vertices of triangles.

"Generations of students have struggled with classical trigonometry because the framework is wrong," says Wildberger, whose book is titled Divine Proportions: Rational Trigonometry to Universal Geometry (Wild Egg books).

Dr Wildberger has replaced traditional ideas of angles and distance with new concepts called "spread" and "quadrance".

These new concepts mean that trigonometric problems can be done with algebra," says Wildberger, an associate professor of mathematics at UNSW.

"Rational trigonometry replaces sines, cosines, tangents and a host of other trigonometric functions with elementary arithmetic."

"For the past two thousand years we have relied on the false assumptions that distance is the best way to measure the separation of two points, and that angle is the best way to measure the separation of two lines.

"So teachers have resigned themselves to teaching students about circles and pi and complicated trigonometric functions that relate circular arc lengths to x and y projections – all in order to analyse triangles. No wonder students are left scratching their heads," he says.

"But with no alternative to the classical framework, each year millions of students memorise the formulas, pass or fail the tests, and then promptly forget the unpleasant experience.

"And we mathematicians wonder why so many people view our beautiful subject with distaste bordering on hostility.

"Now there is a better way. Once you learn the five main rules of rational trigonometry and how to simply apply them, you realise that classical trigonometry represents a misunderstanding of geometry."

Wild Egg books: http://wildegg.com/ Divine Proportions: web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norman/book.htm
Source: University of New South Wales


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To: Condor51
Somewhere around here I have a DOS?/Win3.1? graphics file/program that lets you have a working slide rule right on your screen.

Amaze your friends. There was a Scientific American article (Amateur Scientist column IIRC) a few years back that went through the various, still useful, things a slide rule can do.

161 posted on 09/18/2005 1:35:30 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: InterceptPoint
Okay, I read Chapter 1. I'll take an angle and a distance over quadrance and spread any time, and I swear I am trying to read this all with an open mind. The author claims that he's simplifying trigonometry. So far, I'm not seeing the simplification here.

My problems with what I'm seeing so far are:

I'd like to critique the rest of his book but I'm not about to fork over the $80 to do it.

162 posted on 09/18/2005 1:43:58 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ( "Sic semper tyrannis." (Your dinosaur is ill.))
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To: Maigrey

I hope you are joking. Pi is an irrational number that cannot be expressed as a finite decimal.


163 posted on 09/18/2005 1:48:20 PM PDT by maro
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To: I see my hands

***Cast out that apostrophe first.***

You're mistaken. I did not write the sentence you referred to. Pardon me, "to which you referred."

Perhaps you would be interested in the following site:

http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/


164 posted on 09/18/2005 1:48:23 PM PDT by kitkat ("We're not going to let anybody frighten us from our great love of freedom." GWB, 7/22/05))
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To: Paladin2
Amaze your friends. There was a Scientific American article (Amateur Scientist column IIRC) a few years back that went through the various, still useful, things a slide rule can do.

My brother, the big brain of the family, whipped out a slide rule in a Starbucks recently. He was considered a god by the new purveyors of "math by calculator". He laughed all the way home......

165 posted on 09/18/2005 1:53:57 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity. NRA)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Since ordinary trigonometry is correct, he's not by any means replacing something incorrect with something correct. Rather, he's attempting to reduce the computational difficulty of some aspects of ordinary trigonometry (although, in the end, his answers do still often require the extraction of square roots, which aren't so easy to do by hand).

True, but I think he's failing to make his case. Maybe it becomes more apparent if you read his whole book. I'm sure not impressed with his comparison of classical trig and his rational method is section 1.5. Classical trig solves the problem such that d = (5 * sin 41.4096 deg) / sin 93.5904 deg = 3. 3137. The other method requires applying the Quadratic equation to find r in the equation: (7/16 + 1/2 + r)2 = 2(49/256 + 1/4 +r2) + 4 * 7/16 * 1/2 * r.

He's not showing me that his method is easier or more straightforward!

166 posted on 09/18/2005 1:57:55 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ( "Sic semper tyrannis." (Your dinosaur is ill.))
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To: ScreamingFist

I still want to find one of those huge slide rules that used to hang at the blackboard in some math/science classrooms.


167 posted on 09/18/2005 1:59:35 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: Paladin2
I still want to find one of those huge slide rules that used to hang at the blackboard in some math/science classrooms

Pickett Model N803, google my FRiend and you still can get one "relatively" cheap.......

168 posted on 09/18/2005 2:13:28 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Stupidity. NRA)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Same here.


169 posted on 09/18/2005 2:25:12 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Right Wing Professor

I think I like trig better.


170 posted on 09/18/2005 2:39:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Paladin2
New math was great (for those continuing in math and science).

Ever try casting out 9's?

Well, once in prehistoric times, I was taking a computer science class in assembly language, and we worked almost exlusively in octal... Before I realized it, I had began balancing my checkbook in octal, and it caused me some problems... The funny thing was that there was about 2 month period when none of the checks I wrote had 8s or 9s, so it just "happened," and I didn't notice!

Mark

171 posted on 09/18/2005 2:57:01 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: cloud8; Peanut Gallery

Crap, now I'm gonna have to replace my sliderule.


172 posted on 09/18/2005 3:04:37 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can control the awesome power of the Ductalator.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
My problems with what I'm seeing so far are ...

Well done Excuse_My_Bellicosity.

I'm going to keep my $80 also. Maybe I'll use it to buy 16 credit card sized pocket calculators that can do SIN, COS and TAN.

173 posted on 09/18/2005 3:13:34 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: mikrofon
"Trig methods will still appeal more to the spatially-oriented than algebraic solutions."

I agree. Trig is beautiful as it is.

174 posted on 09/18/2005 3:14:42 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: MarkL

Well the "new" math used base 7, so it was pretty much useless except for teaching. Using octal to demonstrate number systems would have been more useful to many (hex might have been too tough for many kids to wrap their minds around). Unfortunately around that time (60s), I had to live a deprived life as my parents wouldn't buy me an IBM 360 for my bedroom.


175 posted on 09/18/2005 3:16:47 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: cloud8

Darn! I kind of liked Geometry and Trig.


176 posted on 09/18/2005 3:18:21 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: ScreamingFist

$200 give or take. I would rather have a '55 Chevy Bel-Air in my living room.


177 posted on 09/18/2005 3:19:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: elfman2
""I wonder when this will make it into my Calculus book..."

Forget it....how you expect to understand the basis of calculus (rates of change - tangents) without trig.

And as for hyperbolic functions....eh what?

I guess we can depend on immigrants for all our higher maths.

And don't epect to go back to the moon, much less mars without classical trigonometry.

178 posted on 09/18/2005 3:20:19 PM PDT by spokeshave
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To: Neanderthal
Well for certain geometry/trig situations (Orienteering, radar target tracking) polar coordinates are the way to go (heading & range). There's no way I'm going to be doing squaring and unsquaring as I'm running through the woods looking for a check point. It's hard enough to run in a straight line while doing dead reckoning on distance.
179 posted on 09/18/2005 3:23:32 PM PDT by Paladin2 (MSM rioted over Katrina and looted the truth)
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To: I see my hands; Paladin2

> Cast out that apostrophe first.

LOL
No apostrophes in plurals or possessive pronouns!!!
When I replied to Paladin2's post, however, 9s and 6s didn't look well on screen. I resorted to sixes.


180 posted on 09/18/2005 3:24:33 PM PDT by cloud8
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