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Graves Hint At Contact With Romans (Sweden)
The Local ^ | 11-8-2006

Posted on 11/09/2006 3:36:23 PM PST by blam

Graves hint at contact with Romans

Published: 8th November 2006 19:18 CET

Archaeologists excavating ancient graves in western Sweden have found shards from ceramic vessels made in the Roman Empire, in a find that could challenge assumptions about contacts between people in Sweden and the Romans.

The graves in Stenungsund, around 45 kilometres north of Gothenburg, have been dated to between the years 1 and 300 AD. The remains of burned bones from two people were found, along with the pieces of ceramic.

"There are pieces from four or five vessels in each grave, and we have never previously found so many in Sweden," said Bengt Nordqvist, who is leading the dig for the National Heritage Board (Riksantikvarieämbetet).

"They were possibly made in northern Italy or France. Over in Europe this kind of discovery is normal, but in Sweden it is very unusual."

"The discovery shows that contact between Sweden and the Roman Empire was possibly much greater than we used to believe."

The excavations have been going on for around a month. They are being carried out because of plans to use the ground for football pitches.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: contact; godsgravesglyphs; graves; romanempire; rome; sweden; thevikings; vikings

1 posted on 11/09/2006 3:36:24 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 11/09/2006 3:36:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Thanks for your effort in posting these threads. It's important that we continue to learn from history. That's especially relevant this week. Plus it gives us something else to think about whilest we prepare ourselves for 2008.
3 posted on 11/09/2006 3:39:39 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: blam

Possible booty from raids of Roman settlements in Gaul and Britain rather than the result of trade?


4 posted on 11/09/2006 3:41:13 PM PST by Oratam
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To: blam

That's wild!


5 posted on 11/09/2006 3:41:22 PM PST by villagerjoel (US of A!!!)
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To: Caipirabob
Sweden to return Acropolis frieze to Greece

AFP
November 7, 2006

STOCKHOLM -- A marble frieze from the Acropolis in Athens that was taken to Sweden by a naval officer 110 years ago and remained in his family's possession until last year is to be officially returned to Greece this week, a Stockholm museum announced Monday.

The marble fragment comes from the Erechtheion temple, built around 420 BCE and known for its ornamental decoration and pillars in the form of statues of women known as Karyatides, the Museum of Mediterranean and Near Eastern Antiquities said.

Birgit Wiger-Angner, a retired gym teacher, turned the piece over to the museum after reading an article about Greece's desire to recover friezes from the main temple of the Parthenon, which were taken by Britain's Lord Elgin in the nineteenth century and that London refuses to return.

Wiger-Angner inherited the piece - measuring 20 centimeters (7.8 inches) wide and eight centimeters high - from her father, whose brother Henning Lund acquired it from the Acropolis around 1895-96 and took it to Sweden.

Until February 2005, the frieze served as a decoration in Wiger-Angner's home.

Wiger-Angner is due to hand over the piece to Greek culture minister Georgios Voulgarakis at a ceremony to be held at the Acropolis Friday, the museum said.

Suzanne Unge-Soerling, assistant head of the museum in Stockholm, said that it was of great historical interest.

"Today the Erechtheion temple is a long way from being complete ... the frieze is a piece of a puzzle ... and the small number of similar pieces that have emerged ... are mostly held by museums, for example the Metropolitan in New York," Unge-Soerling said.

The fact that the frieze was not left in the open has helped preserve the piece from the effects of pollution.

Paint that once adorned the temple has disappeared due to the twin ravages of time and pollution, whereas some traces of paint remain on the piece to be returned Friday, Unge-Soerling added.

The museum displayed the frieze since Wiger-Angner turned it over to the institution in February 2005.

After its return to Greece the piece will feature in a new Acropolis museum currently under construction in Athens.

6 posted on 11/09/2006 3:42:27 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Can we be sure HBO didn't cook this up to promote the Swedish edition of "Rome" on DVD. By the way, I love that show.


7 posted on 11/09/2006 3:44:09 PM PST by Callahan
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To: blam
Gosh, they always overstate these things.

Doesn't necessarily mean that the Swedes of the time had direct contact with the Romans, just that they had contact with somebody who had contact with somebody who had contact with (add as many as you like here) the Romans.

That's how you find oddball stuff like Chinese porcelain in a Gaulish grave . . .

8 posted on 11/09/2006 3:46:34 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Callahan

That is a great show isn't it? I look forward to its return early next year. Too bad the kid who played Octavian won't be back with it - he was terrific. But they needed an older actor.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 3:52:54 PM PST by Argus (Silver Lining in the Democrat Takeover Top Ten List #6: The gay weddings will be fabulous.)
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To: blam

btt


10 posted on 11/09/2006 4:01:29 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Charles Henrickson; WesternCulture

WC, what about this? Unruly Swedes pinching pots and acquiring amphoras? Don't they have clay in Sweden? ;)


11 posted on 11/09/2006 4:35:45 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Oratam

"Possible booty from raids of Roman settlements in Gaul and Britain rather than the result of trade?"

Or a potter from Britian who made pottery the Roman way and took a summer trip to Sweden or Denmark.

The question would be, did they analyse the pottery clay used. If the clay used matches Italian terra cotta, its from Rome. If it matches Swedish or Danish clay, its from Scandinavia. Does'nt say in the story. I would assume that they did this or would not say it was Roman.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 4:45:32 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: blam

Swedes were known to travl in those days. Probably booty from a viking raid.


13 posted on 11/09/2006 4:48:13 PM PST by wildbill
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To: blam

"football pitches"

Huh? Football? Doubt it. Pitches? Baseball? Prolly not. Most likely looks more like soccer, or some such...

They are sooooo confused!

j/k :-p


14 posted on 11/09/2006 4:54:49 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (I'm Hegemony Cricket, and I improvised this message.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam.

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15 posted on 11/10/2006 12:15:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Round, round, get around, they got around...

Buddha statue from 6th c found in Viking hoard in Helgo, Sweden
Biblical Archaeology Review | March/April 2005 | "Worldwide" editor
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16 posted on 11/10/2006 12:19:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Dhimmicrati delenda est! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Not surprised the Romans had contact with all types of people. I remember another user here saying that Europeans saw American Indian tribes had Roman and Greek coins in their possession. I would not be surprised if American Indians encountered the Romans.


17 posted on 11/11/2006 10:14:00 AM PST by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: Ptarmigan
"I remember another user here saying that Europeans saw American Indian tribes had Roman and Greek coins in their possession. I would not be surprised if American Indians encountered the Romans."

Yup. See the coins at the below link.

Roman Coins Found In America

18 posted on 11/11/2006 10:22:12 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Very interesting. I have heard Indians have legends of encountering White people way before Columbus came.


19 posted on 11/11/2006 12:40:18 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: Ptarmigan
"I have heard Indians have legends of encountering White people way before Columbus came."

Have fun:

Ethnic Groups In Pre-Columbian America

When you get it figured out, let me know.

20 posted on 11/11/2006 2:34:35 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Interesting link. Thanks. It's proof that humans did more traveling than we can imagine. America was just as diverse as it is today. Not surprised by all that European-like artifacts in Latin America. I know the Mapuches, Incas, and Mayans are related to Basques and Celts based on genetics. The Olmecs have African influences. Korea has a very similar celebration to Dia de la Muerte in Mexico. I believe either the Aztecs or Mayans have legends of encountering Asians. This will shatter Bering Strait Theory for sure.


21 posted on 11/11/2006 3:22:16 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: Ptarmigan

Barry Fell writes that the first post-Columbian European to document pre-Columbian voyages was Columbus. He recorded an old guy encountered on his first voyage who was wearing a medalion on a necklace, and the medalion was an old gold coin the old man had found when diving for food as a young man. This account has been dismissed by the true believers who call themselves skeptics by claiming that the coin had been lost or left behind by someone in Columbus' own expedition, on another island, and someone raced across the open sea to A) return it and B) confound future readers. ;')


22 posted on 11/14/2006 10:23:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

similar story, different source, thanks Dave Lone Ranger:

Roman Coins Found at Netherlands Dig
http://www.physorg.com/news82667280.html


23 posted on 11/14/2006 10:24:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, November 13, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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24 posted on 04/12/2012 9:20:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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25 posted on 12/27/2014 1:57:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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