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Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link
orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid

Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)


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To: Shaniqua

“This thread is an insult to my intelligence.

welcome to FR n00b!


2,201 posted on 08/02/2009 11:40:09 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: papasmurf
CONGRESS needs to get involved and settle this, once and for all!

I'm sure Pelosi and Reid will get right on that. /s

2,202 posted on 08/02/2009 11:40:23 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Danae; Polarik

I don’t know anything about your Hawaiian COLB, since I haven’t had a chance to evaluate it or review what Polarik has said about it.

But more to the point, I have followed Polarik’s analysis of the forged COLB over the past year, and have found it convincing.


2,203 posted on 08/02/2009 11:40:55 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rolling_stone

I dont think the govt of kenya likes Obamination:

KENYAN AMBASSADOR SENDS PROTEST NOTE TO SENATOR BARAK OBAMA

YOUR REMARKS IN BAD TASTE, INJURIOUS TO KENYA/US BILATERAL RELATIONS
Mr. Senator,

1. I hereby wish to communicate to you the displeasure and disappointment of the Government of Kenya, the Kenya Embassy, Washington D.C. and the majority of Kenyans with regards to your recent utterances while in Kenya. Your unprovoked and uncalled for statements were in bad taste, particularly given that your visit was very well arranged in advance with full briefings given to your office in Washington D.C. by the Kenya Embassy. And, rather than nurture and strengthen the existing cordial and mutually beneficial relations between USA and Kenya, your wild accusations - that corruption and tribalism have reached a crisis point in Kenya - could only poison and injure our relations.

2. You deliberately and without real cause or reason, other than what appears to be cheap publicity and inconsequential populism, chose to publicly attack the democratically elected Government of Kenya. This was in total disregard for the requisite protocol and acceptable methods of addressing the issues you raised, what with programmed appointments to meet Cabinet Ministers and even the Head of State, since your visit was official.

...etc......

http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=291


2,204 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:09 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: papasmurf

Congress will just politicize it—it is all they know.

This mess cries out for action by the SCOTUS. What did we all sweat blood for when we suffered with Thomas, Roberts, and Alito during their committee hearings? We need their help now!


2,205 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:15 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Shaniqua

Your intelligence won’t be around long...


2,206 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:27 AM PDT by sissyjane
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To: rxsid

Any confirmation from the Keyes camp? website?


2,207 posted on 08/02/2009 11:41:51 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Shaniqua; All
1.If this thread is an insult to your intelligence, why don't you leave.....

2. I see you joined up TODAY..8/2/09 to say this thread is an insult to your intelligence.

Is is just me or are there trolls coming out of the woodwork on this thread????

2,208 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:11 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Royal Wulff
I found the original trade agreement. It only refers to "Government of Kenya".

I'm starting to think forgery.

2,209 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:19 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: chevydude26

NoI’m not implying anything, I’m just saying it happened


2,210 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:23 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; sissyjane; Shaniqua

It’s a troll.


2,211 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:34 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Shaniqua

What intelligence?

Nice screenname.


2,212 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:38 AM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: fanfan
According to this link, their stamps changed in 1961. I can’t find out that they changed to....

These are the independence set of stamps issued by Kenya in 1963. Kenya was independent for a full year before becoming a republic. None of these 1963 stamps say republic. Someone has earlier posted a 1964 stamp that says Republic on it, but it could have been issued in december 1964 when it was a republic. I will post only two 1963 stamps and a link for people to see many more of them to avoid cluttering up the thread with too many images.

see: http://kenya-stamps.bonnyrigg.net/kenya/ken-sg1-14.htm


2,213 posted on 08/02/2009 11:42:59 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: RetroSexual

So is the image with the red marks different than the image in the initial post? If so that explains it..it not I still don’t see red marks on this image.


2,214 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:08 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: reasonisfaith

The gang seems to be slowly filtering into our room. The talking points must have been agreed upon.


2,215 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:11 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian; DJ MacWoW
According to the information at this link, Phil Berg's legal action was based on information reflected in the birth certificate under discussion today:
WordPress Direct
2,216 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:14 AM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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To: Danae

Interesting way to look at it. Whatever it takes, I guess. I was thinking about reporters doing actual investigative journalism, but since few if any of those exist today, if it takes a Russian Perry Mason style lawyer/dentist to get to the truth, then so be it.


2,217 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:26 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The number of Leftists involved in this giant coverup is staggering!!!

It's not really a coverup. They merely support him and, as many of them are internationalists, they just think it doesn't matter where he was born (constitution is a 'live document' for them).

2,218 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:30 AM PDT by nightlight7
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To: jveritas

“Kenya was declared a Republic on December 12 1964 and this fake document shows Republic of Kenya and it was dated February 17 1964 i.e. before Kenya was declared a Republic.” This appears to be an example of people trying to spread misinformation to confuse the people reading the thread. Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963. jvertias is either a troll or misinformed. Look it up yourself.


2,219 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:50 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Cloward-Piven mindset

Can you be more specific?

2,220 posted on 08/02/2009 11:43:56 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Scanian
All the other former British colonies became republics

Canada and Australia are not republics.

2,221 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:19 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...
Jeez, guys!! I try to take some time off today from this stuff -- and then THIS comes out ... oh well.

My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.

Here we go:

Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).

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Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.

When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.

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Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.

However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.

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NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.

Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.

Obama's unconfirmed Kenyan birth certificate


If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.

Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.

As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "upgraded" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the shorter “Certification of Live Birth” we see today presented as proof of birth from Barack Hussein Obama II.

I can’t vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.

It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.

HOWEVER -- the dates DO "line up" for the Kenyan Birth Certificate to be REAL.


2,222 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:30 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Peter Horry

True but who placed the ad? Granny could have done it—many papers accepted announcements from family members in those days.


2,223 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:35 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Mount Athos
Actually it's the fact that there was no Republic of Kenya in February 17th 1964

Kenya became an independent country (Republic of Kenya) on Dec. 12, 1963.

2,224 posted on 08/02/2009 11:44:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Too bad presidents don't come with certificates of authenticity.)
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To: Danae
that was about the time of Ann’s divorce. I was asking what happened in that time frame

Turns out that's the right question to ask. It's been pointed out that the Republic of Kenya came into existence on 12 December 1964. However, it issued this certification on 17 February 1964. Oops.

Meanwhile, Orly Queen of Birfitania is reportedly headed for the UK to check the Kenyan colonial records for Book 44B, page 5733. Lot's of luck with that!

I forecast this one has a short half-life. Not as short as that one with the taunt in the EXIF. But short, nonetheless.

2,225 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:08 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Danae

Oh, for the “innocent” days of Watergate. By today’s standards, certainly innocent, anyway. This BC issue is a world issue, since Obama has to now be the most blackmailable president in history. No wonder he uses each country he visits as a confessional for the evil U.S.


2,226 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:29 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: spycatcher

That copy is no longer up. Why? What happened to it? It was the same but with a tear in the paper. STRANGE!!!


2,227 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:40 AM PDT by jarofants
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Hey, even Rush makes mistakes like that sometimes!


2,228 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:45 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Plutarch
It should be easy to determine if the typing was done with a "basket" key typewriter or an IBM Selectric "golf ball" typewriter.

I believe it was a basket type. Notice that the upper case A is harder struck than its neighbors in each case. I don't think you'd get that from a Selectric or similar ball type where one striking mechanism is doing all letters.

2,229 posted on 08/02/2009 11:45:51 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: Mrs Mayor

PING!


2,230 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:15 AM PDT by The Mayor (A friend is the first person who comes in when the whole world has gone out)
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To: Shaniqua

You signed up today to mutter that nonsense....you DU folks are getting your panties in a wad....now go away!


2,231 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:17 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: ofwaihhbtn

Where in your link does it show the BC under discussion today?


2,232 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:24 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: waxer1
He is creating a possible volatile situation that may get out of control.

Just a wild speculation - the start of CW II?
2,233 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:33 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: null and void; Bikkuri; Danae
I think it is a story now...or very close to it...

Look at how hard the leftists have worked to try and keep this covered up...

I.E. they know it is TRUE!

2,234 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: phil.jberg
I thought cooler heads would prevail, but I have to step in here: first, the issue of the Kenyan BC: this was information the law offices of Phil Berg has before the 2008 election. Specifically, the image posted is NOT the same as the Kenyan BC described in phone calls in fall 2008.

What, Phil Berg heard information?? That was more of a rumor, not fact, him to have heard/seen and it did not get put online. Specifically, this document is a "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth" NOT a Birth Certificate per say.

You're brand new!

"phil.jberg
Since Jul 31, 2009"

2,235 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:43 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Shaniqua

An insult to the intelligence of an idiot who didn’t even bother to read the document? Apparently, your intelligence isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

But if you want to talk about why the document says Republic of Kenya in Feb 1964 when it didn’t actually change until Dec 1964, that would be legitimate and people are looking into whether other official correspondence used the term ‘Republic of Kenya’ prior to the change. Rest assured that whomever finds any clues one way or the other will read them more carefully than you did.


2,236 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:49 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: rxsid

It says “Republic of Kenya.” Kenya did not become an independent republic until 1963, and wasn’t called “Republic of Kenya” until 1964. 0bama was born in 1961, when it was called the Dominion of Kenya.


2,237 posted on 08/02/2009 11:46:49 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Iran Azadi!)
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To: jarofants

It was a copy doctored by Salamander trying to be helpful. Please keep up.


2,238 posted on 08/02/2009 11:47:19 AM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: TheBigIf

There is no image of the birth certificate at that link. It just sounds like Berg had seen or knew of the BC under discussion today.


2,239 posted on 08/02/2009 11:47:35 AM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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Weasel words! What “vital records?” And “NBC” is a legal determination which is not the province of a health director.

Dhimmi obfuscation.


2,240 posted on 08/02/2009 11:47:46 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Barney59

Odd you should mention it—On Friday (IIRC), Rush said more about the BC issue than I’ve ever heard him say.


2,241 posted on 08/02/2009 11:47:54 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: rxsid

I can’t read fast enough to ensure no one else posted this:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764

Per wnd:

“WND was able to obtain other birth certificates from Kenya for purposes of comparison, and the form of the documents appear to be identical.”

“Taitz told WND that the document came from an anonymous source who doesn’t want his name known because “he’s afraid for his life.””

“Taitz told WND she plans to file additional paperwork with the Florida court tomorrow, adding the alleged Kenyan birth certificate to Maj. Cook’s case.”


2,242 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:06 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: 4FreeSpeach
I think that Obama was born in Hawaii but there must be something awfully embarrassing on his real birth certificate

That's what I think too. He was born in Hawaii, he's hiding something other than his place of birth.
2,243 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:21 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: BP2

Great post!


2,244 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:35 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Shaniqua

It’s from 1964.

But thank you for your gracious advocacy of the virtues of intelligence on behalf of the thread.


2,245 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:39 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: palmer

FActcheck initially posted the exact same forgery that Obama’s campaign posted at fightthesmears. That forgery was pulled by Factcheck when the candidate supposedly allowed then to hanldea nd photograph a phyiscal document.


2,246 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rolling_stone

I want to see a lot of his paper history.


2,247 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: cynwoody
see post just above yours...

Kenya became an independent country (Republic of Kenya) on Dec. 12, 1963.

2,248 posted on 08/02/2009 11:48:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Shaniqua
This thread is an insult to my intelligence. The Republic of Kenya did not exist in February of 1961, let alone August of 1961. Read up about the Colony of Kenya and the Dominion of Kenya. Welcome to Free Republic, Shaniqua. In you're first and only post here so far, you are apparently upset about dates that weren't on in the document we're discussing. I'm sorry you feel your intelligence is being insulted but please have your dates in order before posting something so ludicrous as to be laughable. Have fun on FR!
2,249 posted on 08/02/2009 11:49:06 AM PDT by PowerPro (2009 - Conservative Revolution Reborn (Go Palin!))
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To: Mount Athos
He was born in Hawaii, he's hiding something other than his place of birth.

Frank Marshall Davis.

2,250 posted on 08/02/2009 11:49:25 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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