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'The Oldest (Neanderthal) Work Of Art Ever': 42,000-Year-Old Paintings Of Seals Found In Spain
The Daily Mail ^ | 2-7-2012 | Tom Worden

Posted on 02/08/2012 10:36:42 AM PST by blam

'The Oldest (Neanderthal) Work Of Art Ever': 42,000-Year-Old Paintings Of Seals Found In Spanish Cave

* Six paintings were found in the Nerja Caves, 35miles east of Malaga
* They are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man

By Tom Worden
Last updated at 9:27 PM on 7th February 2012

Comments (38) Share The world's oldest works of art have been found in a cave on Spain's Costa del Sol, scientists believe. Six paintings of seals are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man, experts claim.

Professor Jose Luis Sanchidrian, from the University of Cordoba, described the discovery as 'an academic bombshell', as all previous art work has been attributed to Homo sapiens.

Important find: These six paintings of seals were discovered in the Nerja Caves near Malaga, Spain. They are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man

The paintings were found in the Nerja Caves, 35 miles east of Malaga in the southern region of Andalusia. Spanish scientists sent organic residue found next to the paintings to Miami, where they were dated at being between 43,500 and 42,300 years old.

They hope to establish the exact age by testing parts of the paintings themselves, but their investigation has been hampered by a lack of cash.

Antonio Garrido, in charge of preserving the caves, said the paintings could revolutionise our view of Neanderthal man, who is often portrayed as being monkey-like.

The Nerja Caves, an impressive series of enormous caverns, were discovered

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Tourist attraction: The caves are home to the world's largest stalagmite, standing 105ft tall

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Location: The paintings were found in the Nerja Caves on Spain's south coast

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(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: ancienthumans; archaeology; caveart; cavedrawings; cavepainting; cavepaintings; chatelperronian; dmanisi; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; homoerectus; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; nerjacaves; origin; origins; spain
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Limestone caves have no “walls.”

They tend to form in washed out aquifer lenses.


61 posted on 02/08/2012 2:19:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Deb

62 posted on 02/08/2012 2:20:34 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Deb

What?? - You’re an art critic now?
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63 posted on 02/08/2012 2:25:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I go where the need is.


64 posted on 02/08/2012 2:28:01 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
I go where the need is.

I heard that some were asking for a learned artistic analysis of this Seal ...

65 posted on 02/08/2012 2:49:25 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ml/nj

The Lincoln memorial’s basement is similar to the basement of the Alamo.


66 posted on 02/08/2012 4:00:12 PM PST by Vaquero
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To: blam

Nice caves. Better visit soon, before they revert to Islam.


67 posted on 02/08/2012 4:22:00 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ..

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow, smokin' find! There's so much overlap and so many overpainted images in well-known art caves, it wouldn't come as a surprise to find a long development -- all Neandertal -- layer over layer in all these caves.

Thanks blam.
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


68 posted on 02/08/2012 7:11:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: ml/nj

Stalactites hang on tightly to the ceiling so they don’t fall off. Stalagmites are trying with all their might to reach the ceiling.


69 posted on 02/08/2012 9:12:08 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: blam
NERJA CAVES VIDEO AT LINK

Traces of pottery, ceramics, prehistoric tools, human remains and wall paintings have all been found within the caves. Since the caves discovery over fifty years ago, more than one million pieces have been discovered and catalogued.

70 posted on 02/08/2012 9:21:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

That was excellent. Thanks.


71 posted on 02/09/2012 12:17:53 AM PST by blam
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To: dfwgator
Thank you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBCa9WPHlWI

72 posted on 02/09/2012 12:40:51 AM PST by thecodont
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv; blam; decimon; All

Forty-two thousand years ago was the depths of the last Ice Age. Conditions are generally dryer during very cold weather. Some of our heavy snows have been caused by warmer weather. Another question, how do we know it was Neanderthal, and not CroMagnon?


73 posted on 02/09/2012 3:38:55 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: muir_redwoods; ml/nj
Stalactite... C ceiling

Stalagmite... G ground

That's the way us Neanderthals were taught to remember.

74 posted on 02/09/2012 3:57:34 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: blam

Perhaps these were painted by Neanderthal women. Women, after all, like to decorate the cave ... men would be just as happy to leave it in the same condition in which they found it. I certainly know a lot of single guys still living in undecorated caves, with nothing except a huge TV on a milk crate, and some old bucket seats.

Or these might have been painted by Neanderthal women as a form of shopping list. “Don’t forget to bring home a few seals, dear. We’ll eat them for dinner, and I could also use a new coat.”


75 posted on 02/09/2012 4:06:38 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: worst-case scenario
"Or these might have been painted by Neanderthal women as a form of shopping list. “Don’t forget to bring home a few seals, dear. We’ll eat them for dinner, and I could also use a new coat.” "

Or, they may have been preparing for Global Warming and wanted to leave an archive for any survivors. (us)

76 posted on 02/09/2012 6:10:03 PM PST by blam
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To: gleeaikin
Forty-two thousand years ago was the depths of the last Ice Age.

We're currently in the Pliocene-Quarternary ice age; we're just in one of its interglacial periods (lasting about 10,000 to 12,000 thousand years, in some cases much longer). The current ice age has been going on for well over two and a half million years. Twenty thousand years ago we were still in the last glacial period (40,000 to 100,000 years in length, the more recent ones nearer 100,000). The frequency (and severity) of our storms is controlled more by El Nino and La Nina events and other multi-decadal oscillations than it is simply because of an overall warmer global temperature. Besides, there has been no warming since 1997 and the last decade has seen dramatic cooling.
77 posted on 02/09/2012 7:10:21 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Servant of the Cross

Um... classy. With a slight mackerel scent.


78 posted on 02/10/2012 10:51:44 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Ok. Here’s my question:

Those stalactites look to be pretty long and the seals seem to be in a long line going up into the upper area of the cave so:
1. Did the Neanderthals invent the first ladder to complete the seals in one sitting?
2.Did they hang the seals and outline them? Is that blood used as a medium? (I ask because my uncle has a painting from a famous Spanish painter who used the blood from bulls killed in the Fiesta Brava as his medium for bullfight paintings.)
3.Were they painted on the stalactite over time as it grew longer? Would have been a world’s record for the longest “sitting” I think.

Just askin’ cause any answer is cool.


79 posted on 02/10/2012 11:11:18 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill; blam; SunkenCiv

Good questions all.

I have a question about Ancient art (not cave drawings)

It seems to me that when archaeologists discover some very old pottery paintings/art, it is ALWAYS described as, and generally looks very good. By good I mean the artists seems to have an artistic talent.

So, My question is: Where are all the “BAD” attempts at “ART/Decoration” ?

Just a thought.


80 posted on 02/10/2012 12:36:09 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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