Italian Archaeologist: Anatolia - Home To First Civilization On Earth

Beku Today ^ | 6-20-2003

[blam]

Italian Archeologist: Anatolia - Home to First Civilization on Earth

Prof. Dr. Marcella Frangipane is trying to convince scientists that Anatolia is the source of civilization on earth, and not Mesopotamia, as historians have claimed.

20/06/2003 13:20

After 13 years of work in the Aslantepe Mound Orduzu, Malatya, Frangipane says the archefacts she uncovered prove that the first civilization was established in Anatolia. According to Frangipane, the swords he found in Aslantepe and the palace, are the oldest in the world. These findings contradict everything in history books. Frangipane held a seminar, accompanied by a slide show, entitled 'Anatolia and Birth of State' for academics at the Turkish Embassy in Rome. While finding her assertions 'striking', Italian experts said they wanted to discuss the subject in a larger scientific forum.

Frangipane's ideas rock Italian and Global scientific circles

With Turkey unable to promote Aslantepe, the first excavations were done by the French in the 1930's. Their research has been continued by Italian Rome La Sapienza University archeologists since 1961. The Italians have covered all the costs, including the hiring of a custodian to protect the artifacts. Frangipane works hard to publicise his findings, which will earn Anatolia a place in history. Turkey, however cannot sufficiently promote it. Aslantepe was a city from 5000BC to 712BC, until the Asyrian invasion, and was later abandoned for a long time. It then became a Roman village from 500 to 600AD, and later the Byzantine necropolis. The first palace in the world was built in Aslantepe in 3350BC. There are storage chambers, a corridor, a courtyard and a temple in the palace.

Zaman / TURKEY

[Grand Old Partisan]

Infinitely more. For example, just this year, after centuries of observation, scientists discovered that insects respire -- that is breathe in and out -- rather than just let air seep through the shell, as had been assumed.

[VOA]

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[JudyB1938]

I've tried to connect these refugees to the 4,000 year old Caucasian mummies found in the Chinese desert. Some have even speculated that they are the same people who became the Ainu in ancient Japan (10K remain today) that replaced the previous Caucasian featured people there known as the Jomon.

BTW, the present day Ainu are the hairiest humans on earth.

I didn't know that about the Ainu! Due to my fascination with ancient migratory routes, I find this very interesting. I wonder if there's been any DNA tests and other research to see if there's a link between them and the following people?

"Hypertrichosis is the general name for a group of conditions characterised by either localised or generalised excess hair. Its most extreme form is 'congenital generalised hypertrichosis' or 'hypertrichosis universalis', which medical researchers have traced it to a genetic problem which affects only one extended family in rural Mexico. [snip] ... Many of them seem to come from China, for some unknown reason." [That certainly fits with YOUR theory, doesn't it!!]

[scroll down at the website to read the rest of this.]

http://www.bizarremag.com/ask/freaks.php

Although some might make a connection to Bigfoot in the following article, maybe not. It's about giant, cannabilistic, hairy man-beasts from Native American mythology (maybe THEY are the ones who ate those people that's causing such a controversy in Archaeological/NA circles - and since the scat at the digs is "human", perhaps the mythological creatures were actually hairy men and not beasts.):

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/sbs/foster.htm

Here's a real person, the Canadian "wolf boy":

http://jaronbs.com/coronation.htm

[SevenDaysInMay]

This omits the inter-glacial societies. The repeaated freeze out migrations into the "Turkic/Holy Land/Babylon" territory is what perfected the "war" gene in we the survivors.

Older findings will surely be discovered off the north coast of Turkey. Perhaps bodies and all.

[blam]

Modern humans have the same number of hair folicles as the present day monkeys/apes. Not all produce hair or at least 'big' hair.

[Sam Cree]

cool picture.

[Bernard Marx]

Not all produce hair or at least 'big' hair.

Don't you know that 'big' hair is a genetic trait of redneck Southern women, especially those who host programs on Christian broadcasting networks! Sheesh!! (LOL in case anyone thinks I'm serious).

The so-called "hairy" Ainu were given the name because they have abundant body hair like some Europeans and often have long, flowing beards in contrast to the Japanese people. If they're the "hairiest people on earth" I haven't been able to find a citation to that effect. Here's a comment from a site I just located:

"The Ainu are somewhat taller than the Japanese, stoutly built, well proportioned, with dark-brown eyes, high cheek-bones, short broad noses and faces lacking length. The hairiness of the Ainu has been much exaggerated. They are not more hairy than many Europeans. Never shaving after a certain age, the men have full beards and moustaches, but the stories of Ainu covered with hair like a bear are quite unjustified by facts. Men and women alike cut their hair level with the shoulders at the sides of the head, but trim it semicircularly behind."

Their origin is indeed mysterious but there's abundant evidence that shows they've been in the Japanese islands much longer than the Japanese themselves. Hokkaido and Honshu have many Ainu place names. Even the sacred volcano Fujiyama, is named for their fire goddess Fuji.

Ainu definitely have skins as light as Europeans and lack the Mongoloid epicanthic eyefold which gives Asians the appearance of slanted eyes. Yet to date no one knows where they came from originally. Their language is unlike any other and contains no clues so far as I can tell. DNA tests will probably tell the story some day. Some experts say they definitely have Mongoloid origins but it's unknown whether they may have Caucasoid genes.

[blam]

" They are not more hairy than many Europeans. "

I've only read once and recently that they were the 'hariest humans' on earth. Maybe not, huh?

[Bernard Marx]

Maybe not, huh?<

The photos I've seen show them as normal-looking people but the men wear long, flowing beards. I think their religious practice of not shaving as adults has led to an exaggerated view of their "hairiness." The sites I visited seem to combine a lot of myth with actual observations.

It's interesting that anthropologist Christy G. Turner III (of Anasazi/Toltec cannibalism renown), an expert on tooth shapes, did a study comparing the teeth of the Ainu and Japanese. His conclusion (some years old now) was that the Ainu teeth are similar to prehistoric Japanese (Jomon?) but that modern Japanese teeth are similar to those of ancient Chinese. I haven't succeeded (so far) in finding any investigations of Ainu DNA. Possible connections with the Caucasion mummies of Tarum, China, are intriguing but so far as I can tell no definite connection has been established.

[blam]

"It's interesting that anthropologist Christy G. Turner III (of Anasazi/Toltec cannibalism renown), an expert on tooth shapes, did a study comparing the teeth of the Ainu and Japanese. His conclusion (some years old now) was that the Ainu teeth are similar to prehistoric Japanese (Jomon?) but that modern Japanese teeth are similar to those of ancient Chinese."

I'm somewhat familiar with the dental work of Christy Turner as David Chatters covered some of it in his book, Ancient Encounters. (Kennewick Man.)

Turner also proved that some of the ancient American Indians practiced cannibalism when he found a mummified corpolite (a turd) that contained human protein.

An interesting aside, the Jomon pottery is called 'cord' pottery and 'cord' pottery has been found in some of the Olmec sites in Mexico.

I've not seen and DNA on the Ainu either. However, Kennewick Man was declared to have a 23% (the majority) Ainu 'element' to his DNA. That would imply that there is Ainu DNA somewhere.

[blam]

900AD paintings of Tocharians from the caves of the Buddhist Monestary at Bezeklik, Turfnan, central Asia. (Offering bags of money)

[JudyB1938]

A google search revealed several cites with the same statement as blam's. For example:

"An interesting bundle of traits occurs among the Ainu of northern Japan, who have light skin and thick brow ddges [sic], and are the hairiest people in the world."

However, the source you cite sounds reasonable in its assertions.

http://www.msu.edu/course/iss/215/demers/howold.html

On the other hand, I also found this:

"On Murray River in South Australia, they were described as extremely hairy of chest and body, which puts them in a class with western white Europeans, who are probably the world's hairiest people."

http://www.creationism.org/symposium/symp5no1.htm

I also found this:

"Blonde people have the most hair per inch, with an average of 140,000 hairs a head. Brunettes are next in line with an average of 110,000 hairs a head, then come people with black hair with an average of 105,000 hairs a head, and finally redheads, with the least hair averaging 90,000 hairs a head."

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/

My redheaded daughter would certainly dispute that allegation. She has the thickest head of hair I've ever seen. When she was little, I used to thin it out and would get a large grocery bag FULL of hair!

[JudyB1938]

Please be sure to ping me if you find anything about their DNA.

[Bernard Marx]

I just have photographs to go on. From them the Ainu don't appear much hairier than the Hell's Angels who used to pass me on the freeway in Oakland on their way to Sonny Barger's house. In fact, many of the H-A's were hairier (and much scarier!) than any of my Ainu photos!

Maybe the Ainu are descended from Esau. I'll never forget the sketch from Beyond the Fringe, I think by Jonathan Miller, that began: "And Esau was a hairy man..." It was very funny stuff.

I did the same Google as you JudyB1938, but as I mentioned earlier there appeared (to me) to be lots of myth mixed with fact. All the first-person descriptions I can find support the view I posted. Credible anthropologists writing about them say: "The Ainus -- or Hairy Ainus, as they came to be called for their thick and often wavy beards and abundant body hair -- represent a major anthropological enigma." That's for sure! Much science needs to be done but they're rapidly becoming extinct.

BTW, what people were referred to as living on the Murray River in South Australia? Certainly Australian aborigines, not Ainu.

[blam]

Interesting site.

Marvin Harris (bless his soul, he died last year at age 74) is one of my favorites and I have a number of his books my favorite of his that I have is Cannibals And Kings. Here's a link to that site.

How Old Are The Races?

[liberalnot]

you are correct!

i read one of his books in the early 1970s, subsequently re-named and re-issued.

he was making the point then that just as american black men were finally going to get their justice following the civil war, re-construction, and the bigotry of the south, american feminists took the jobs. he said american white men would rather have american white women in their offices than blacks.

[blam]

Count Hayahsi, Japanese Minister Of State For Foreign Affairs, 1908. (An Ainu)

[Fiddlstix]

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[blam]

"From them the Ainu don't appear much hairier than the Hell's Angels who used to pass me on the freeway in Oakland on their way to Sonny Barger's house. In fact, many of the H-A's were hairier (and much scarier!) than any of my Ainu photos! "

Yup. I lived in San Jose for years (I left in 1973). I remember those H.A. characters well.

[Bernard Marx]

I lived in San Jose for years (I left in 1973). I remember those H.A. characters well.

I lived briefly in S.J. in 1971 but ended up in San Leandro where I found work a couple of months later. It was always interesting to drive to Oakland along the 580 at 70 mph or so and watch the little specks behind you become H-A's on their choppers. They must have been traveling at least 100 mph. They always got off on Golf Links Road where H-A president Sonny Barger reputedly kept a lion chained in his back yard. It was a colorful time to live in the Bay Area!