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Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

(Excerpt) Read more at web.israelinsider.com ...


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To: Fred Nerks

many thanks, bookmarked!!!


9,051 posted on 05/28/2010 3:31:49 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Red Steel

OMG! I’ve never heard of Sherman H. Skolnick...and how could Putin be blamed for Hurrican Katrina? Oh...I got it, borrowed Cheney’s weather-machine?

But what’s NOT hard to believe is that zero might have a Kenya bc. Doesn’t mean he was born there, any more than he was born in Hawaii...I believe we’ve been misdirected in both scenarios.


9,052 posted on 05/28/2010 3:39:15 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

This guy Wayne Madsen claims the Kenyan Obama and twinkle toes Rahmbo dead-fish are flamers who played in the same bath together:

First from Citizen Wells:

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“Obama down low, Man’s Country, Andersonville, Gay bath house, Update, Obama and Rahm Emanuel members, Larry Sinclair story, Donald Young, Wayne Madsen Report

Obama down low, Man’s Country, Andersonville, Gay bath house, Update

The pieces of the puzzle picture that reveal Obama’s long time down low activity and drug use are falling in to place.

On May 23, 2010 we reported.

The Larry Sinclair allegation of a drug and sex encounter with Obama in November 1998.

Donald Young, the gay choir director at TUCC, who was murdered.

The National Enquirer article from March 17, 2008 that questioned Obama’s sexuality.

Evidence from the Rezko trial of Stuart Levine, an Obama associate, giving ongoing drug parties for his male friends.

Actor Kal Penn, purportedly bisexual, being rumored as one of Obama’s boy toys.

Reports of Obama and Rahm Emmanuel frequenting Man’s Country in Andersonville, a bath house.”

http://citizenwells.com/2010/05/25/obama-down-low-man%E2%80%99s-country-andersonville-gay-bath-house-update-obama-and-rahm-emanuel-members-larry-sinclair-story-donald-young-wayne-madsen-report/

And

the Wayne Madsen Report:

“May 24, 2010 — SPECIAL REPORT. Obama and Emanuel: members of same gay bath house club in Chicago

Gay community sources: Obama has had series of gay trysts with aides and other politicians for years”

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20100522


9,053 posted on 05/28/2010 4:28:34 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks

Sherman H. Skolnick was wacky but he called Obama a Kenyan 5 or more years ago, and is another source to be added to the pile of other sources.


9,054 posted on 05/28/2010 4:33:13 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks
And more on the Chicago gay bath house frequented by Obama and other flamers:

"Madsen Is Vindicating Larry Sinclair
5-24-10

The Wayne Madsen Report for today is a blockbuster and underscores what Larry Sinclair has been maintaining for years.

Wayne's report is a pay for view service and the following is a small excerpt from it. Wayne writes that not only is Obama gay but it names favorite clubs and a gay dating service run by Rev. Wright that Obama and another young man in the congregation used. The other young man was later murdered. According to WMR, Rahm (the boy ballet dancer) Emmanuel is also member of the gay club.

Begin Excerpt

May 24, 2010 -- SPECIAL REPORT. Obama and Emanuel: members of same gay bath house club in Chicago

President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago's gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city.

The bath house, Man's Country, caters to older white men and it has been in business for some 30 years and is known as one of uptown Chicago's "grand old bathhouses." WMR was told by sources who are familiar with the bath house that it provides lifetime memberships to paying customers and that the club's computerized files and pre-computer paper files, include membership information for both Obama and Emanuel. However, sources close to "Man's Country" believe the U.S. Secret Service has purged the computer and filing cabinet files of the membership data on Obama and Emanuel.

Members of Man's Country are also issued club identification cards. WMR learned that Obama and Emanuel possessed the ID cards, which were required for entry."

End of excerpt"

9,055 posted on 05/28/2010 4:45:25 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks

Look at the bonme structure above the eyes and the cheek bones...what a coinky-dink....


9,056 posted on 05/28/2010 7:07:41 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: Fred Nerks

I simply don’t understand how the Jewish community is all over Hussein. I didn’t understand it before the election and I certainly don’t understand it now with him turning his back on Israel. Of course, the Catholics voted for him despite his stand on abortion and the miners voted for him even when he promised to close the mines but the amount of tainted koolaid that’s been used is mindboggling.

Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C. -

Member of the United Jewish Communities Finance Committee for the Chicago Metropolitan area.

Executive Committee member of Illinois chapter of AIPAC.

Former Senior Vice Chairman of the United Jewish Communities Cardoza Society.

Former Chicago area chairperson of the national United Jewish Communities Young Leadership Cabinet.

Former Chairman of Mount Sinai Medical Institute Council.


9,057 posted on 05/28/2010 7:26:33 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Natural Born 54
Kirkland & Ellis LLP is presently defending BP in the litigation arising out of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Another tidbit to add to the "Not Just Another Coincidence" list, huh.

9,058 posted on 05/28/2010 7:29:24 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Red Steel
To continue to the next line in your link - 3. Some assert that a friendly foreign power, also having high technology, made the man-made Katrina suddenly take a right hook and veer slightly away from New Orleans and directly hit the refineries and facilities of British Petroleum , owned by the British monarchy.

And now BP has an oil spill.

So it will be simple for land swindlers like Halliburton and their gang of pirates to grab lots of land from the descendants of slaves or white indentured servants, bull-doze away the hurricane-wrecked houses, and build hotels and other structures to accompany a someday to be newly-enlarged whorehouse district in New Orleans.

That site is a bit woo-hooey.

9,059 posted on 05/28/2010 7:43:30 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: bgill
That site is a bit woo-hooey.

Yes, Skolnick was woo-hooey much of the time.

9,060 posted on 05/28/2010 1:52:54 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: bgill
...I simply don’t understand how the Jewish community is all over Hussein...

Marxism? Observant Jews are anti, from what I can tell.

9,061 posted on 05/28/2010 4:29:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

From memory, the other possibilities I’ve read:

1. Guinea
2. Russia
3. Seattle
4. Iran
5. African continent

Is your current thinking on the list?


9,062 posted on 05/28/2010 10:19:49 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54
Is your current thinking on the list?

No...

9,063 posted on 05/28/2010 10:55:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Indonesia, US, Mexico, Fiji and that group of islands...

This list? (last one - promise)


9,064 posted on 05/28/2010 11:07:46 PM PDT by Natural Born 54
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To: Natural Born 54

LOL! Say, if I thought I knew, would I tell anyone before we had a chance to check it out? Not with the obots hanging around like flies on a ....


9,065 posted on 05/28/2010 11:17:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

:) fishing


9,066 posted on 05/29/2010 12:16:06 AM PDT by mojitojoe (banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fred Nerks; Red Steel; BP2
FMD in his hay days

source

His allegedly socialite 2nd wife, Helen Canfield from Chicago

In 1946, Davis married Helen Canfield, a white Chicago socialite, who was 19 years his junior. The couple divorced in 1970, and Canfield Davis herself died in May 1998 in Honolulu.[17] The couple had four daughters named Lynn, Beth, Jeanne and Jill and a son named Mark

"Frank and Helen with their first child, Lynn, in Honolulu."

Son, Mark


9,067 posted on 05/29/2010 11:14:46 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: Fred Nerks; Red Steel; BP2

LaGray Chemical Company

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Our mission serves as a unifying link throughout our organization and provided we live in accordance with it, growth and profitability together with customer benefits and job satisfaction will follow as a matter of course.

VISION

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Our vision is to become Africa’s premier healthcare company, providing innovative and affordable healthcare solutions to the continent. We will become the most valued employer, healthcare supplier, business partner and corporate citizen in the region.

http://www.lagraychem.com/aboutus_advisoryboard.html

*snip*

Board member

Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour

International attorney, teacher and businessman. Dr. Al-Mansour’s business interests include co-founding the United Bank of Africa, the World United Bank of Africa and the Saudi African Bank.

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Nsawam Tel: +233 (831) 22332 & Fax: +233 (831) 22174
Email: info@lagraychem.com

http://www.lagraychem.com
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Are Khalid al Mansour and Obama Friend?

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Civil rights activist Percy Sutton said he was solicited by a man named Dr. Khalid al Mansour to send a letter of reccomendation on behalf of Barack Obama to help him gain acceptance to Harvard many years ago. (This video and transcript is at the bottom of the post),

But who is Khalid al Mansour and how did he know Barack Obama? A cursory search on Youtube turns up several controversial clips, in the vein of Obama’s longtime friend and former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

One of these videos is more than an hour long, but I am going to post here before I watch/transcribe everything in the interest in getting this into the hands of other bloggers who may know who this guy is. Here’s what I found:

(several videos of al-Mansour and his anti-semitic, racist, bigoted rants)

http://townhall.com/blog/g/c2df500d-0189-47d8-a454-54de9f6584c3


9,068 posted on 05/29/2010 2:26:25 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: Fred Nerks; Red Steel; BP2

Excerpt:

Bill Ayers father Thomas Ayers, the rich and powerful former Chairman and CEO of Commonwealth Edison and dear friend to the overtly corrupt Chicago left-wing political machine of Mayor Richard J. Daley, served on both corporate and community organizing efforts with none other than Black Panther mentor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour .......(aka Donald Warden).

Donald Warden was the 1960s community organizer behind the Black Nationalist movement known as the Black Panthers.

Warden later adopted the Islamic faith and the name Khalid Al-Mansour, when he became the international deal-maker and fixer for the Saudi Royal Family.

Warden has been the international business partner and front-man for Prince Alwaleed bin Talal since the 70’s.

You will remember bin Talal as the Saudi Prince that angered Mayor Rudy Giuliani with his $10 million dollar check days after 9/11, which he blamed on America.

In a May 2008 TV interview, another community organizer from New York City, Percy Sutton, explained how he was contacted by dear friend Donald Warden (aka Khalid Al-Mansour), who was “raising money for Obama’s education” at the time.

Warden asked Sutton to write a letter to help Obama gain admission into Harvard Law School, which Sutton did write. No records of how Obama paid for tuition at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard, have been released by the Obama campaign.

The community organizing connections also led to Obama’s twenty year relationship with radical anti-America racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/williams/2008/10072008.htm


9,069 posted on 05/29/2010 2:35:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, hunker down & go Galt)
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To: Fred Nerks; Red Steel; bgill; David; GreatOne; holdonnow; AJFavish; Just A Nobody; All
Re post # 9,038 (by Fred Nerks):

My intuitive feeling is that the information posted about the heretofore unknown (at least in these circles) Bruce Ettelson is meant to establish a specific connection between the law firm Kirkland & Ellis (where Ms. Herlihy, the author of the 2005 law review article on the constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship for the presidency, now is employed) and the Obama inner circle.

However, in all objectivity, Kirkland & Ellis is a huge politically influential firm that has had high-level political ties to both major parties for decades. For example, Ken Starr once worked for them. And although its headquarters are in Chicago, it has offices, I would think, in many locations in the US and around the world.

So my gut take would be that you may be overreaching somewhat in implying that Kirkland & Ellis is an Obamaton-dominated firm serving as a place where politically like minded lawyers like Herlihy get cushy jobs because of their ties to the machine. On the other hand, one could hardly be surprised that at least some of the Obama folks are there because of its huge size and scope.

9,070 posted on 05/30/2010 12:50:18 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: STARWISE

Steve Harvey looks more like Davis than Hussein does.


9,071 posted on 05/30/2010 3:07:07 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: Dog Gone
It is embarrassing to watch FR do this. It doesn't matter where Obama was born. If his mother was a US citizen, then he is.

Even if he was born in Cuba or North Korea.

Carry on with the insanity. I sure can't stop it.

But it's stupid, it makes FR look stupid, and if that's fine with everyone, keep it up .

OK, Dan Rather it's time for your meds. Now spread your cheeks.....no NO. Your BUTT cheeks!

9,072 posted on 06/01/2010 5:07:07 AM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190; All

Just FYI. Adding this FRmail to the thread.

Egyptian minister: Obama told me he is a Muslim
From xxx | 06/09/2010 12:35:38 PM PDT read

http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/egyptian-minister-obama-told-me-he-is-a-muslim/


9,073 posted on 06/09/2010 8:33:27 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Let's examine
I refer you to Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth.
But you STILL WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH that

Here is some more information and links


I have several witnesses, that have proven to me that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kenya.

First witness, Barack Hussein Obama II himself:
The above artice is also found at FreedomsPhoenix.com.
They have a great spoof Birth Certificate you just gotta' see.
Also view the video at Proof Obama Admits He Was Born In Kenya.


Second witnesses, his mother and father, indirectly through their divorce papers. I believe that "indeterminate person" probably SAW the Obama Dunham Divorce Documents BEFORE Page 11 disappeared and viewed the Kenyan Birth Cerfiticate,
thereby telling Ed Hale
The Obama Dunham Divorce Documents are viewable at this location.
There's a great assumption of the time lime at at link.

Third witness, is Barack Hussein Obama II's grandmother,Sarah Hussein Obama:
View the video Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II at Youtube.com.
Watch and LISTEN to the video BARACK OBAMA - BORN IN KENYA - The Documentary - STUNNING!
and prove it to yourself.
Also watch Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya.

The fourth witness, Tim Adams,
(It is now confirmed by Hawaii that Tim Adams did indeed work as a senior elections clerk in 2008)The Fifth witness, Michelle Obama.
The Sixth Witness, Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego:
The Seventh Witness, James Orengo (the Kenyan Parliament Minister of Lands):

The Eighth Witness, Lucas Daniel Smith,


Case CLOSED!!!



9,074 posted on 07/01/2010 12:33:22 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

Linking this thread, with lots of new information, for instance:

(”””... She was born in Chicago on January 12, 1942. Her father, then Bernard Ohrnstein, was Jewish and changed the family name to Dohrn when Bernardine was in high school...

Why did they change their name? Why Dohrn? WHo else do we know that changed names? Did she ever use her original family name after dad changed it? Are there any links with others using that name?”””)

More:

Obama student-loan mystery shrouded by ‘politics’ ( Eric Holder covering for Obama)
wnd ^ | July 13, 2010 9:33 pm Eastern | Jerome R. Corsi

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2552232/posts


9,075 posted on 07/16/2010 8:54:48 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Yosemitest; Fred Nerks; BP2; Red Steel; Danae; butterdezillion; rxsid; thecodont; El Gato; ...
Thanks for that link, Fred .. better place here.


9,076 posted on 08/02/2010 9:25:34 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

EXCELLENT!

I will post that comment about the FONT - wouldn’t it be wonderful if this really was a BUCKHEAD MOMENT?

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/01/inconsistencies-found-in-passport-applications-released-by-state-department-for-obamas-alleged-mother/

spotted this - only one comment so far...

CheckIt says:
Monday, August 2, 2010 at 9:12 PM
In shades of RatherGate it appears Ann used the same magic typewriter in her letter to Mr O’Shea dated 1 May 1974. Tiz a proportional font. So the DoS is fudging the FOIA output. This should be fuel for Strunk to challenge their output as dishonest.


9,077 posted on 08/02/2010 9:43:08 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: STARWISE
Saving from the source document.


9,078 posted on 08/02/2010 9:50:53 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest; Fred Nerks

Excellent .. thanks for posting the whole article !


9,079 posted on 08/02/2010 9:55:27 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Yosemitest; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; danamco; Las Vegas Ron

Another interesting comment (also, read Strunk’s long comment above)

“Zenways says:

Monday, August 2, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Sharon, for all you and others do… thanks a TRILLION
this is my take so far? take it or leave it… food for thought.
soebarkah
SOE…BAR…KA…H
SOETORO BAR-AK H.
“BARAK HUSSEIN SOETORO” does that fit?
558 days o has usurspered us all …when can we stop it?
my arrow loves to hit the target …done and over….
how much longer will this slow death take?

Reply Bob1943 says:
Monday, August 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM
By Golly, I think you got it…..shorthand for Barack Hussein Soetoro.

Seriously, good observation.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/01/inconsistencies-found-in-passport-applications-released-by-state-department-for-obamas-alleged-mother/comment-page-1/#comments

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Also, WND article

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=186677


9,080 posted on 08/02/2010 10:33:20 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

Important .. ScribD FOIA Passport and Immigration correspondence and documents for Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham, Ann Soetoro and Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah) .. that name was suggested as possibly Bar ak Soetoro ... e.g., shortened from 3 into 1 name, in the PostEmail article above.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35189898/Lolo-Soetoro-U-S-Records-Allen-v-DHS-State-and-Allen-v-USCIS-FOIA-Releases-Final-7-29-10


9,081 posted on 08/03/2010 12:03:30 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

SOE…BAR…KA…H
SOETORO BAR-AK H.
“BARAK HUSSEIN SOETORO”

Isn’t there an A for Allah? ;~)

Also notice the addition of
her mother’s name to her complete name....Was she trying to cover for her mother applying for the BC in HI?


9,082 posted on 08/03/2010 4:20:46 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the links. Lots of reading to do this morning!


9,083 posted on 08/03/2010 5:52:48 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: STARWISE

I have not been able to follow the thread... what is the significance of this?


9,084 posted on 08/03/2010 7:43:50 AM PDT by Danae (If Liberals were only moderately insane, they would be tollerable. Alas, such is not the case.)
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To: Yosemitest
Shuo Cao Cao, Cao Cao jiu dao, says a Chinese proverb. It means: "Speak of Cao Cao, and Cao Cao will be there."

It's the equivalent of the English phrase "speak of the devil."

Soe-toro, So-toro, Suo-toro. The last name of a Japanese man and Indonesian citizen. Are those all the variant spellings? If you know of others please reply!

According to the Wikipedia page List of common Chinese surnames, the Chinese root name could be any of Xú, Sòng, Cáo, Xiāo, Sū, Shào. The suffix toro is, I think, most likely from the name of a common and ancient Japanese lantern of Chinese and Korean origin, a tōrō, which can also be spelled "doro".

9,085 posted on 08/03/2010 7:47:07 AM PDT by bvw
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To: STARWISE

Wow great stuff Star, thanks so much.


9,086 posted on 08/03/2010 9:08:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: STARWISE; onyx

Placemark with jaw dropped!


9,087 posted on 08/03/2010 10:08:14 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: STARWISE; hoosiermama; penelopesire

This is quite a morning of information!


9,088 posted on 08/03/2010 10:10:04 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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A MUST for the archives:

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18 September 2008

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Obama: Throwing Papua Under the Bus

In an article entitled “A Forgotten Cause”, Peter Tatchell sheds light on the plight of the West Papuans, many of whom are Christians and have suffered under Indonesia’s brutal policy of ethnic and religious persecution.

The untold story though is how the Obama campaign would sell out the West Papuans in a desperate attempt to protect Obama’s presidential bid.

On the 3rd of July 2007, U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega would touch down in Jakarta, Indonesia. A staunch outspoken critic of Jakarta’s rule over West Papua, New Guinea and a crusader for West Papua’s right to self-determination, the chairman of the House Subcommittee on Asia, The Pacific and the Global Enviroment, Faleomavaega promised to be a force to be reckoned with.

Having been barred from visiting Papau by the Indonesian government, Faleomavaega would instead settle for a private meeting in Jakarta with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barnabas Suebu the governor for the Indonesian province of Papau.

The Papuan issue though wasn’t the only thing on Faleomavaega’s mind, being one of Barack Obama’s most devoted disciples, Faleomavaega would be seeking the Indonesian government’s assistance in supporting Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as well as making the requisite pilgrimage to Barack Obama’s childhood school.

According to our Indonesian sources, “officials” who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation or photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America’s “national archives” and they were offering cash, lots of it.

In a show of faith, Barack Obama’s childhood school would be one of the very first beneficiaries of this outpouring receiving thousands of dollars to upgrade the school and for the purchase of computer equipment, thanks in part to the benevolence of this visiting junket.

The challenge of course was securing Indonesian goverment records potentially damaging to Barack Obama’s candidacy for the US presidency as well as other records pertaining to a young Barry Soetoro and his family wouldn’t be so easy to acquire and secure, and for this, the visitors would need the assistance and cooperation of the Indonesian government.

It’s not that getting Indonesian government help is difficult, it’s not. It’s no secret that Indonesia is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, but we’re not talking about the challenge of dealing with corrupt government officials here, but rather, dealing with the “true believers of change”.

Convincing the Indonesian government that an Obama presidency will be able to deliver that “change” and that it was in the interest of both countries to see that Barack Obama was elected was nothing more than a fait accompli for Faleomavaega’s entourage.

For West Papau’s governor in attendance, having been pacified at the prospect that an Obama presidency would enable him to make zillions trading carbon credits on the Chicago Climate Exchange, Barnabas Suebu would sit quietly as the fate of West Papau was decided.

The only issue of contention Faleomavaega would face from the Indonesian government would be the issue of West Papau. In the end, it was simply a give and take situation. The Obama campaign needed assistance from the Indonesian government and the Indonesian government wanted a free hand in Papau.

Later concerning Faleomavaega’s meeting, Indonesian presidential spokesman Dino Patti Djalal would have this to say: “One thing that is sure is that Faleomevaega’s visit here has changed his views about Indonesia. It has made him realize this country is so vast and complex it cannot be reduced by the Papua issue...” Dino said Faleomavaega was known as a US Congress member who often commented on the Papuan issue but now he had changed his views. “He now sees that Papua is inalienable part of the Unitary State of the Republic of Indonesia.”

Faleomevaega’s and meeting with Indonesia’s president regarding West Papau and his subsequent flipflop on supporting West Papau’s right to self-determination is something that you might think would warrant at least a press release on the congressman’s website, but there is nothing, nor is there any mention on the House Subcommittee’s site. No press release, nothing, not even a mere mention of his trip to Indonesia.

In the end, everyone got what they wanted, all to the detriment of the West Papuans.

The is no denying the fact that the prospects of an Obama presidency has emboldened the Indonesian government’s brutal repression in Papau. In an earlier article, we would explain in detail how an Obama presidency would stoke ethnic and religious chauvinism in Indonesia and how Indonesia’s Islamic fundamentalists will use an Obama presidency to radicalize a new contingent of militants from the ranks of Islam’s moderates.

Individuals who are mesmerized by the phantasmagorical image of one of their own now inhabiting the White House and who will see it as a sign of America’s impending submission and our nation’s acquiescence to the superiority of Islam.

Tee-shirts blazoned with messianic images of Barack Hussein Obama are already starting to replace the Osama Bin Laden tee-shirts that have been so popular in Indonesia. In Indonesia Barack Obama is fast becoming the “Che Guevara” of Indonesia’s young wannabe Islamists.

The Indonesian government is not only failing to protect the West Papuans from the violence of militant Islam, the government is actively stoking the fires of ethnic and religious chauvinism and supporting intimidation againstWest Papuans with many in recent days taking to the streets protesting the introduction of Islamic law.

For Indonesia’s national news agency to refer to the US government as the “George Bush administration” highlights the dichotomy of opposing foreign policy positions that are being both presented and exploited by the left. That Indonesia would feel it was safe to renew their campaign of brutal repression in Papau, in the last few months of the current administration, the diplomatic sabotage conducted by the Obama campaign is partially if not wholly responsible.

http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-throwing-papau-under-bus.html


9,089 posted on 08/03/2010 11:07:09 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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Excerpt from Apuzzo’s site about the passports:

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Why I believe the July 19, 1965 issued passport was issued pursuant to a passport renewal application filed in 1965 for a prior passport that was expiring and that it was not the first passport that Stanley Ann Dunham had.

The issue date in July 19, 1965 is four months after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro on March 15, 1965.

If she had applied for her first passport in the late spring or early summer of 1965 she would have had to legally apply for it in her married name, Stanley Ann Soetoro. The July 19, 1965 issued passport was not in her married name since she had to AMEND it in 1967 and show her marriage license to get her married name put on her passport at that time.

That is what the 1967 document states. And secondly, I believe it was a passport renewal application in 1965, because Obama’s family in Kenya says Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama was there when Obama was born and government officials in Kenya state Obama was born there. Stanley Ann would have needed a passport in 1961 to get to Kenya and back to the USA.

Since the 1965 passport was not in her 2nd marriage name when it was issued 4 months after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro, it is obvious to me she simply renewed her previously issued circa early 1961 original passport which was in either her maiden name or in the name of her first marriage name of Stanley Ann Obama, if issued after Feb 1961 when she is said to have married Barack Hussein Obama Sr.

The copies of documents in what was released per the FOIA request are numbered but not in chronological order. This makes reading the file and the flow of events over time more difficult unless one prints out the file and rearranges the docs in chronological order, which I did.

There is a document numbered P3 which is an application for amendment of her existing passport. This amendment request was apparently done in 1967 (per a handwritten clerk’s name and date note on it since the date is not filled in below Stanley Ann’s signature on the form).

This handwritten annotated note and date was apparently done by a clerk seeing a marriage license in order to process the request to amend a passport issued on July 19, 1965. But the copy of that 1965 passport application is not provided in this FOIA request. The passport officials say it could not be found. Why?

That 1965 passport was issued several months after she married Lolo Soetoro. She filed the amendment apparently in 1967 allegedly to have it reflect her married name due to her name change after marrying Lolo Soetoro at Molokai Hawaii on March 15, 1965 per page marked P3 of the released documents.

Thus the conveniently missing application records for this 1965 passport implies to me that that there was something indicated in it that the powers to be did not want the public to see, i.e., that she had a passport prior to 1965 and the 1965 records indicated it was a Renewal application.

So someone made the 1965 application records disappear. The carefully worded cover letter with the FOIA release implies to me that earlier years records have been purged by someone at sometime for some reason since they could not find a record that should be there based on records they did find.

Was the 1965 passport issued done per a renewal request for a prior issued passport? As to the implication in the cover letter that early year data may have been cleaned out due to some records retention cut off date. I don’t buy that.

Since passport records are filed in files by name and not in boxes or files by year, this does not make sense. I was under the impression that passport records kept and filed by name were kept virtually forever. That wording sounded to me like bureaucratic obfuscation. It sounds to me like HI officials (or whoever controls them) are now instructing the U.S. Passport Office how to obfuscate and parse sentences in cover letters to allow them to not provide what one asks for and yet not be lying.

In my opinion, there was probably a passport issued to Stanley Ann (whatever name she used to get it) prior to 1965. The 1965 passport application record pointed to that. So someone made the 1965 application records disappear.

Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro-Passport Application File-Strunk v Dept of State-FOIA Release-FINAL-7-29-10.

This file indicates via the 1967 passport amendment application (document marked P3) that Stanley Ann (Dunham) Obama had a passport for certain issued to her 1965 and she was applying to amend it. Thus she had one for sure in 1965.

Since her originally issued passport was good for up to 5 years, that means if the 1965 issued passport was a reissue of a passport to replace the original one that she had, but which was expiring, then she likely got her first passport possibly as early as late 1960 or early 1961.

How does all this fit the narrative to explain the information coming out of Africa and Kenya that Obama was born there? Why would she need a passport at age 18? She would not need it to have a baby in Hawaii or to go to college in Seattle Washington and back and forth to home in Hawaii. What was the real reason this pregnant 18 year old teenager got a passport in late 1960 or early in 1961?

I believe it was likely to be able to travel to Kenya to have the baby over there where it was her intent to leave the baby there to be raised by the paternal family in Kenya. She was to then return to re-start her life as a young teenager going to college in Seattle Washington. And then when Stanley Ann did not follow the plan because maternal instincts kicked in and she returned to college in Seattle WITH the new baby, grandma Dunham had to take action and filed the fraudulent action in Hawaii to falsely register the baby as born at home there in Hawaii, with no witnesses, to get her newborn grandson U.S. Citizenship ... because it was very easy to do this in Hawaii in 1961.

Listen to the Bill Cunningham Radio Show for how it was likely done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZpwcRf3FQ

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Also in this passport applications file is revealed the exact date of Stanley Ann’s marriage (two different exact dates and locations?) to Lolo Soetoro. But as is typical for everything with this family, nothing is consistent. In the 1967 amendment filing marked P3 she says she married Lolo Soetoro on March 15, 1965 in Molokai Hawaii.

But in a later passport renewal application marked P5 filed in 1981 she states she married him on March 5, 1964 in Maui, Hawaii. Which is true?

Either way, said marriage dates could have allowed for Obama to have been legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii at age 5 or under, given either of these marriage dates. And in addition, his falsified birth records in Hawaii, fraudulently created by grandma Dunham in 1961, could have been amended to show the new legal name of Barry Soetoro.

Obama was mentioned as a son over age 18 in the Soetoro 1980 Divorce file as a dependent of Lolo Soetoro and still receiving financial aid from Lolo Soetoro to attend college. And then later in life as an adult Obama could have amended his vital record in Hawaii again and changed his name back to Barack Hussein Obama II when at that time in his life that name suited him.

Obama is a life narrative chameleon. He changes names and citizenship at will during his life to suit his current needs and plans.

Also on document P1 signed in 1968, the second page of that document, she wrote in the block named “Amend to Include (Exclude) Children” the name of her son Barack Hussein Obama and then right below it a weird name or phrase spelled and in parenthesis as (Soebarkah).

This entry then has 5 diagonal line strike-through lines across the entry. Another mysterious new tidbit and question as to the meaning of that entry to research.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/07/some-of-stanley-ann-dunham-obama.html

Some of the FOIA released documents

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35161730/Stanley-Ann-Dunham-Obama-Soetoro-Passport-Application-File-Strunk-v-Dept-of-State-FOIA-Release-FINAL-7-29-10


9,090 posted on 08/03/2010 11:17:54 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Just wow!!!!!
But why the need?

How does all this fit the narrative to explain the information coming out of Africa and Kenya that Obama was born there? Why would she need a passport at age 18? She would not need it to have a baby in Hawaii or to go to college in Seattle Washington and back and forth to home in Hawaii. What was the real reason this pregnant 18 year old teenager got a passport in late 1960 or early in 1961?

I believe it was likely to be able to travel to Kenya to have the baby over there where it was her intent to leave the baby there to be raised by the paternal family in Kenya. She was to then return to re-start her life as a young teenager going to college in Seattle Washington. And then when Stanley Ann did not follow the plan because maternal instincts kicked in and she returned to college in Seattle WITH the new baby, grandma Dunham had to take action and filed the fraudulent action in Hawaii to falsely register the baby as born at home there in Hawaii, with no witnesses, to get her newborn grandson U.S. Citizenship ... because it was very easy to do this in Hawaii in 1961.


9,091 posted on 08/03/2010 11:24:18 AM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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It’s all (his past) a manufactured maze of smoke and mirrors .. obviously to cover something unfit for the light of day in their view. Crazy and confounding.


9,092 posted on 08/03/2010 11:26:55 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

btt


9,093 posted on 08/03/2010 11:39:19 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: STARWISE

Wow. That’s an excellent analysis. Thank you!

She wouldn’t have had to amend the name on her 1965 passport in 1968 if it had been filed as Ann Soetoro, her name when the 1965 passport went into effect. The only reason for it to have a last name other than Soetoro is if it was originally filed when she HAD a different name and she simply RENEWED it in 1965.

That’s why they wouldn’t show the application for the 1965 passport; it was an application for a RENEWAL and would have proven that she had a passport in 1960.

SOMEBODY POWERFUL enough to pull strings wanted (and got)that fact hidden. I wonder why...

Wow. These people are slime. Is there anybody who doesn’t realize that yet?


9,094 posted on 08/03/2010 11:43:08 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: Danae

Just the official documentation some in the govt
have deemed acceptable to release from the dim,
dark and manufactured past of .. it. ;)


9,095 posted on 08/03/2010 12:16:56 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: rolling_stone

Did you see this?


9,096 posted on 08/03/2010 12:21:18 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: STARWISE

I am not familiar with how names are assigned in Indonesia. For what it’s worth, Lolo’s name appears here as

Lolo Soetoro Mangundikardjo

I assume Mangundikardjo was his father’s name.

Lolo’s father and eldest brother were killed during the Indonesian National Revolution, when Indonesia won independence from the Dutch. The family’s home was burned to the ground by the Dutch army. Lolo fled with his mother.

Also, I had not seen this article before (2006). It is roughly translated from Indonesian.

http://www.detiknews.com/index.php/detik.read/tahun/2006/bulan/07/tgl/06/time/100044/idnews/630159/idkanal/10

Like Scouts, Frequently For Chocolate
Arifin Asydhad - detikNews Arifin Asydhad - DAILY

Jakarta - Jakarta - Junino John (47) including a friend who has a memorable impression with Barack Obama in childhood. During the past week, Junino always remembered by his friend, known by the name of Barry’s. And not unexpectedly, Junino find stories about his little friend in the news AFP. “I really remember him being the last few weeks. I know Barack Obama announces AFP. But, I remember that Barack is not Barry. When there are articles on SD Besuki, I just remembered that Barack was Barry, a close friend of mine, “said Junino. Junino friends with Barry because one school in SD (Experiment) 04 Besuki, Central Jakarta. Indeed, no one class Junino with Barry. Junino one class above Barry. “As I recall, he was in fifth grade, I was in sixth grade. But, if no one lho ya,” said Junino. But, according Junino, it could be her fifth grade, while Barry’s fourth grade. According to information Onny Padmo, Barry’s classmate, in 1971, Barry entered fourth grade and only one year. When Onny grade 5, Barry is not there anymore. Junino near Barry knows when equally active in the Boy Scouts. “I am familiar in the Scouts. At that time, we have been in raising,” I am a man who is currently Deputy Internal Monitoring Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK) is currently talking to AFP on Thursday (06/07/2006). Barry including children like the Boy Scouts. Ropes activities, singing, and so always follow. “It’s just that he keteteran if there are physical activities, such as running. She was a bit slow, because his body is very fat. Once so fat,” said one of his former directors at PT Indosat this. That is not forgotten, every Barry follow the Boy Scouts at school, always bring food. Barry Barry’s mother always equip with good foods, like chocolate. “While in school, Barry was often handed out chocolates to me and my friends,” recalled Junino. In the eyes Junino, Barry is a child who emphasizes discipline. When the time came home from school, Barry went home, did not play like kids my age at the time. Maybe this is also the influence of parents’ education. Barry’s mother, Ann Dunham is a Caucasian from the United States, and his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo an army colonel who was also clerk in Pertamina. “Everyone went and came home from school, Barry was always delivered and picked up by her mother,” said Junino. The first time you know Barry, Junino and friends also had to wonder, why why Barry and black curly hair, although she them Caucasian, his father was an Indonesian. At that time, Junino and his friends did not know that Barry is the real father of Kenya, Africa who is black. Make friends with Barry, said Junino, quite enjoyable. Easy-going person. Barry is very good at hanging out. Junino recall, the Indonesian language Barry is also pretty good. “We speak Indonesian anyway,” he said. Barry is also a humorist, like the joke, just fun. We will leave Indonesia, Barry could deliver parting words to his friends. “I want to move to America. I hope to see you again,” Barry said at the time. According Junino, goodbye that’s the very last he heard. After Barry moved to America, Junino never communicate again. Barry is also information about Junino never get. He also just learned that Barry is now a U.S. senator. “Bener friendly guy. But first, take it easy man, far from a serious impression,” he said. As a close friend, Junino also hoping Barry can come to Indonesia. “I have trouble getting contact him. Hopefully he can come to Indonesia and we can meet again,” please Junino. Description Photo: Barry called jaunty. Barry’s style when meeting his supporters. Keturuan supporters not only people of Africa, but also white people.


9,097 posted on 08/03/2010 12:37:21 PM PDT by Faith
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To: STARWISE

That Stanley Anne must have been one hot little tart in her day...


9,098 posted on 08/03/2010 12:52:35 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
Post 9098! yowzers! This thread has some legs!
9,099 posted on 08/03/2010 12:55:09 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

Yay .. 9100 !

;)


9,100 posted on 08/03/2010 12:56:57 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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