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Natural Born - Whats the big deal?
Examiner.com ^ | 10-18-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 10/18/2009 12:42:55 PM PDT by Danae

In the days since I first started publishing on the issues surrounding Natural Born Citizenship and why it matters with regards to Barack Obama, I have been asked a great many questions regarding why it matters at all. Why the Founding Fathers would bother with a distinction that only ever matters for one governmental position in the world, the President of the United States?
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Why didn’t McCain USE that weapon against Obama? He knew about it as much as the DNC did.

The answer is simple. He couldn’t.

He isn’t a Natural Born Citizen either.
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The Founders were very well aware of this; issues of Citizenship were pretty high on everyone’s list at that time because of the turmoil that was afoot in the world. There were wars on a number of continents, soldiers of differing countries all over the place. And men and women are well men and women, kids happen. It mattered a lot what ties those kids had and where to.

It still does, the only difference is the fact that most people are unaware of it, and frankly don’t give a darn. They just want to live their lives and trust that Government is a fundamentally good thing and out to protect them and their families and futures. Well what happens when that Non-NBC American becomes President? He isn’t bound by the constitution because he is already breaking it.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; mccain; naturalborn; obama
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1 posted on 10/18/2009 12:42:56 PM PDT by Danae
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To: Danae
"and frankly don’t give a darn"

I give a darn. If it's legal and it will rid us of Obozo, I give a very big darn.

2 posted on 10/18/2009 12:51:18 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: I am Richard Brandon

You and me both.

Big enough that I am putting my neck on the line to write these articles. Or at least my reputation, for what ever thats worth.


3 posted on 10/18/2009 12:53:29 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Excellent! Lets get a tribesman from africa one who know about living off the UN social security, who knows nothing about MAerican culture and history to run the country into the ground. Heck! Better yet,we can even get one of their more prominent and respected, one with “ruling” experience.... Mugabe!


4 posted on 10/18/2009 12:56:18 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: Danae
Good rant, as far as it goes. Personally, I would have been delighted had McCain been thrown out of the race early on because he was born in a hospital in Panama, not in the confines of the U.S. Canal Zone.

But there is still no argument whatsoever that McCain's father and mother were both U.S. citizens and that McCain was born while his father was on active duty serving his country.

This makes the location of McCain's birth a mere technicality. The law would make him a natural born U.S. Citizen anyway because both parents were U.S. Citizens and registered his birth within the allowed time frame after he was born.

Likewise, my daughter born in Japan is a natural born U.S. Citizen because we, her parents, both went to the embassy in Tokyo within the required timeframe to (1)prove our U.S. Citizenship (passports),(2)our marriage (marriage certificate), (3)her live birth (Japanese birth certificate) and (4)present her in person with a matching photo on a U.S. Passport application.

All of these things produce records and a paper trail, not unlike the process which was available to Obama's parents when he was born in the 1960's. And, yet, my daughter can produce all of the aforementioned documents and Obama can or will produce none of them save for an abbreviated certificate of live birth (web edition) from the State of Hawaii which may or may not be genuine.

5 posted on 10/18/2009 1:06:10 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Danae

The law...The Constitution...You know...no big deal...


6 posted on 10/18/2009 1:09:21 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

I care also. what bothers me also is how many of our fellow FReepers, including some who have been here a hell of a lot longer than I, have fallen for the state controlled media’s talking points on this. they are being fooled into thinking that this not an issue when it darn well is. even if the birth cert. thing goes limp we still have alerted a lot of Americans to the fact his ENTIRE past has been covered up. now what is wrong with that? nothing of course. so why are some FReepers following along with the SCM’s line on this, sounding EXACTLY like what is said about the birth cert. issue etc. by democRATS? hold your nose and cruise thru the DUmp and you will see ‘RAT posts that mirror exactly what some FReepers say about the BC issue, ie; we are dumb, stupid, nuts, crazy for wanting our constitution upheld! etc. I don’t get it....


7 posted on 10/18/2009 1:13:17 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Danae

Why didn’t McCain USE that weapon against Obama?

Why didn’t McCain use anything against Obama?


8 posted on 10/18/2009 1:13:26 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: Caipirabob
The law...The Constitution...You know...no big deal...

That's right! Just as long as you're talking about a DemocRat, because everyone knows that the Dems are as clean and pure as the wind-driven snow. Bless their little hearts.../sarc


9 posted on 10/18/2009 1:13:27 PM PDT by thecraw (God allows evil...God allowed Hussein...Lord willing he'll give us Sarah to clean up the huge mess.)
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To: Danae

first, thank you Dianna for stepping up and publicly taking a stand for what’s right. i believe a majority of freepers would do the same, given the chance. people of integrity normally would.

as for why it’s important... it’s as simple as pointing out that it was of high import to the founders. so much so, that they made it the second article.

if we can start to disregard random parts of the Constitution, which ALL our law is based on... then what goes next? (personally... i’m for dropping amendment 16 and defunding the bastards)


10 posted on 10/18/2009 1:16:02 PM PDT by sten
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To: freedomfiter2

it is funny when you look back... it’s as if mccain just gave him a pass, and only Sarah fought (and she was reprimanded for it by mccain’s group)


11 posted on 10/18/2009 1:17:46 PM PDT by sten
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To: Vigilanteman

How many times....You need two US Citizen Parents, and be born on US soil to be a Natural Born Citizen. McCain didn’t and neither does your Daughter.


12 posted on 10/18/2009 1:18:21 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: Danae

Explains very nicely why having 2 American citizen parents is important in this situation.

(Would this also disqualify Jindal? His folks weren’t citizens yet when he was born, as I recollect, even tho he was born here.)


13 posted on 10/18/2009 1:23:51 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Obama= Slavery)
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To: Danae

Unfortunately I think there’s a lot of fear about what would happen if we were to actually confront this issue. There would be blood as a result.

Slavery was a very similar situation in the respect that no one had the courage to confront it head on. Instead they let it fester and in the end it became a trip wire that led to a civil war.


14 posted on 10/18/2009 1:26:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Danae

“Does the “natural born” requirement eliminate anyone born by C-section?” question from another site!


15 posted on 10/18/2009 1:32:02 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Danae; pissant; Red Steel; BP2; LucyT

Another on-target article. Excellent read.

I wish some newspapers and others would republish your work to a wider audience.

The Examiner article is datelined Las Vegas. Can you send your work to the Editor of the R-J or Sun for example, D? Sorry, I don’t know how the publishing business works.


16 posted on 10/18/2009 1:32:47 PM PDT by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: bobby.223
...we are dumb, stupid, nuts, crazy for wanting our constitution upheld!

No, but this issue has attracted the usual cadre of screwballs, making claims, big announcements that all amount to nothing. These idiots cast a negative pall on everyone else interested in this issue.

Until there is something solid, we are barking at the moon because Obama is in office right now and his agenda must be stopped first.

Should Obama have to prove his status? Should the DNC have to assist? Should Republicans make more of an issue on this?

Yes to all these, however, they are not going to happen. Therefore, stay focused, look for real evidence, and stay quiet while we battle on the agenda front.

If it is true that Obama is not a NBC, then it will come out some day. In fact, it will come out faster if there is not a major circus being made about it and real investigators are allowed to work without drawing attention to themselves.

17 posted on 10/18/2009 1:33:17 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: bobby.223

I am also shocked at the lack of interest and pursuit in this.....I believe Obama is not a natural born citizen.


18 posted on 10/18/2009 1:37:34 PM PDT by Fawn
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To: Erik Latranyi

Gee. You mean it’ll come out faster if no-one mentions it? Well why didn’t I think of that before. Stroke of genius!!!


19 posted on 10/18/2009 1:38:32 PM PDT by plenipotentiary (Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth, passed to him via Pops, can't be NBC)
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To: Danae
1) If McCain were a NBC born on a Military Base inside the Panama Canal Territory (legally US Territory), why would he need the congress to reaffirm his status? It should be obvious, and completely unneeded. But apparently it was needed, because he did just that, had congress affirm his status.

With a non-binding Senate Resolution? Are you serious? How does that affirm anything?

20 posted on 10/18/2009 1:41:01 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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