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TP: THREAT POTENTIALS [UNCONVENTIONAL, IMPROBABLE OR NOT]
USGS QUAKE EMAIL ^ | 21 JUN 2004 | Quix, USGS

Posted on 06/21/2004 4:31:10 PM PDT by Quix

GREETINGS,

FOLLOWING is a note re todays Alaskan quake. First a comment about this thread.

SOME FREEPERS are fascinated with fringe areas of reality. Some of us even think the fringe areas of knowledge, research, anecdotal stories and the like will have very impactful effects on the WAR ON TERROR, WWIII, Biblical end time events etc.

WE ALSO FIND FREEPERS FULL OF GREAT CREATIVITY OF THOUGHT, INSIGHT, WORK RELATED EXPERIENCES AND SKILLS ETC. useful in collecting diverse puzzle pieces and in analyzing them. This diversity is priceless and virtually unavailable on any other site.

While we are seriously interested in topics which others scoff at, throw tinfoil hat assaults at and which we often even can't discuss calmly with many of our relatives and friends--we are either not all loonies or not 100% looney--though perhaps, hopefully, healthily insane in an insane society a la Eric Fromm.

Nevertheless, we do NOT enjoy nor appreciate hostile flame wars and the like just because we enjoy fringe puzzle pieces and analysis. Nor do we wish to cast the least bit of aspersions on FR.

I do not know how many of us will be willing to show up and post on this thread. Many are gunshy from all the flame attacks such topics typically trigger hereon. However, if my FREEPMAIL is any hint, there are plenty to be interested in such a thread.

HOWEVER, to whatever degree I may be graced with the ability to do so--this thread will NOT tolerate flame wars, flame posts, hostile jabs at other posters etc. I will do my utmost to get such posts pulled immediately.

The THREAT MATRIX thread has done mostly pretty well at creating and maintaining a lot of resourcefulness, creativity, camaraderie, mutual supportiveness and friendliness.

I hope and expect that this thread can even do better. Certainly I will do what I can to help make that happen.

If this thread flies and helps in any way analyze the WOT threats as well as natural disaster threats or any other plausible threats from 'reality' (whatever that is), then WONDERFUL. If it's just a good place to toss around the various puzzle pieces and their implications in a convoluted era and reality--that's worth some time, too.

If this thread dies and early death from disinterest, so be it.

If you have comments about the above, please post them! Hostile dereogatory posts will AT LEAST BE WHOLESALE IGNORED.

Below is some of the data on the recent quake and my comment on that.

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A magnitude 5.2 earthquake IN SOUTHERN ALASKA has occurred at: 61.65N 151.25W Depth 81km Mon Jun 21 21:29:09 2004 UTC

Time: Universal Time (UTC) Mon Jun 21 21:29:09 2004 Time Near Epicenter Mon Jun 21 13:29:09 2004 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Mon Jun 21 15:29:09 2004

Location with respect to nearby cities: 85 km (55 miles) NW of Anchorage, Alaska (pop 260,000) 95 km (60 miles) SW of Talkeetna, Alaska (pop 700) 115 km (70 miles) W of Palmer, Alaska (pop 4,500) 1005 km (630 miles) WNW of JUNEAU, Alaska

I recall reading somewhere in the last month, a prediction that a very major devastating quake on the West Coast or the Pacific would occur shortly after a moderate quake in Alaska or just south of Alaska.

We shall see.

Personally, I'd vote for keeping Jihadi's out of quake shelters.

(Excerpt) Read more at earthquake.usgs.gov ...


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I'm particularly interested in insider reports, personal experience reports as well as researched docs related to the above such from the better sites. Some sites, such as Rense, are not favored at all by Jim and I'd rather support his sensibilities rather than antagonize them.

We may be walking a fine line here. But I think that if we are responsible and remotely reasonable, we can at least have some fun and MAY just make some worthy contributions to our understanding of the difficult times we live in.

Cheers, Blessings,

1 posted on 06/21/2004 4:31:11 PM PDT by Quix
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To: andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; bigfootbob; Ecliptic; El Sordo; Ghengis; green team 1999; ...

PING RE A NEW THREAD AND POSSIBILITIES


2 posted on 06/21/2004 4:33:13 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix

3 posted on 06/21/2004 4:39:53 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Quix; All

METEOR THREAD HERE:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157540/posts


4 posted on 06/21/2004 4:41:29 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
I live near the New Madrid faultline. From what I have read the New Madrid earthquakes of 1811-1812 are the most severe ones to occur in the US (exceeded 8.0 on the scale). Because the area was so remote and had such a low population at the time, there were few casualties. A similar quake today would be devastating in both property damage and personal injury.

Last week there was a mini quake in the area (2.9). Makes one wonder if there is another on the way. Those of you who are older will remember that in 1990 Iben Browning predicted a quake and gave a particular date. The schools had lower attendance, emergency services were on standby, etc. Nothing happened and it was a widely reported non-event.

The interesting thing about the 1811-12 quakes was that they were predicted by the Indian Chief Tecumseh. Its fairly well documented that he did so. Makes one wonder how he was able to do it and scientist today can't.

5 posted on 06/21/2004 4:55:41 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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To: Momaw Nadon

THANKS MUCH.


6 posted on 06/21/2004 5:01:38 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix; JustPiper; nw_arizona_granny; StillProud2BeFree
My daughter is getting married on July 10th in Orlando, FL. The happy couple will take their Honeymoon in Alaska. I'll keep you posted. I hope that any sensations of earth moving will be romantic and not geological.
7 posted on 06/21/2004 5:07:48 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Paranoid is what the LAZY call: The Determined and Prepared.)
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To: Lawgvr1955

WELL PUT.

Have you read ETERNITY IN THEIR HEARTS?

It is a rare Christian book by an anthropologist. It is a collection of stories from around the world of God using various means to prepare different tribal people's for the Gospel.

In one case, a tribal people in Southern China, Northern Burma or some such area . . . HAD NEVER HAD a written language. Yet, there was a tribal story that one day in the future, a white man riding on a donkey would come bringing THE BOOK OF GOD WRITTEN IN THEIR LANGUAGE. This story Shamen had handed down for countless generations.

Sure enough, by an amazing sequence of circumstances, early in this century or some such, I think an American--may have been Canadian or Aussie--arrived at their tribe on a donkey bearing The Bible which had been translated using tapes of their language and a helper.

The book has many incredible stories like that.

I think God sometimes uses virtually any and every channel possible to get through to us thickheaded critters.


8 posted on 06/21/2004 5:08:22 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: ExSoldier

I'll certainly vote with you on that one!

CONGRATS ALL AROUND!


9 posted on 06/21/2004 5:09:22 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Wow, we just moved from the big blue spot late last year. We experienced a couple of shakers while we were there. One was particularly scary.


10 posted on 06/21/2004 6:01:41 PM PDT by knak
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To: Quix
I think God sometimes uses virtually any and every channel possible to get through to us thickheaded critters.Though I haven't read the book you described, there is no question about the above observation.
11 posted on 06/21/2004 6:13:50 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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To: Lawgvr1955

THX.

However, it is exceeding folly for an individual to assume or expect, much less demand, that God will

use any means to reach a given individual at a given time on a given issue.

God cannot be manipulated nor demanded of!


12 posted on 06/21/2004 6:21:03 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Lawgvr1955
"The interesting thing about the 1811-12 quakes was that they were predicted by the Indian Chief Tecumseh. Its fairly well documented that he did so. Makes one wonder how he was able to do it and scientist today can't."

FIREWATER

13 posted on 06/21/2004 7:57:19 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: auggy

FIREWATER merely predicts he'll drive his buggy funny or fall off his horse a lot . . . or stumble a very unstraight line to the nearest tree for his tree duty.


14 posted on 06/21/2004 8:12:46 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: auggy
FIREWATER

Good one.

15 posted on 06/21/2004 8:18:10 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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To: Lawgvr1955

"Good one" because it fits a sort of slap happy humor

or

"good one" because you have a rather firm belief against the possibility of anything 'supernatural?'


16 posted on 06/21/2004 8:44:52 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix

"Good one" as in humor. As to the second part of the question I believe in the quote from Hamlet,"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet, I:5


17 posted on 06/21/2004 8:57:01 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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To: Lawgvr1955

Agreed.

Thanks.

There was a brash senior military type who claimed to a UFO/ET/TESLA technologies researcher that:

"if you can imagine it, we can do it, now."

That's an awesome kind of statement! God only knows how true or not.

But I suspect in the next 1-15 years, we will see just technology stuff come out that will boggle even our 'modern' minds. And that doesn't even touch the spiritual stuff crawling out of the woodwork in the same time frame!

Have a blessed week.


18 posted on 06/21/2004 9:49:37 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix

Cheers back at ya QUIX. You Got Stones!!! Bookmarked. Will visit as often as Threatmatrix. . .


19 posted on 06/22/2004 4:55:46 AM PDT by bored at work (My God is the main course. . .not allah carte')
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To: Quix

Oh yea, BTW, T minus one day 'till impact . . . 1/2 lol. . .


20 posted on 06/22/2004 4:57:42 AM PDT by bored at work (My God is the main course. . .not allah carte')
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To: bored at work

Ahhhh, well.

God Alone is the only worthy protection any of us can have. May well require walking hand in hand with Him in His will for us, though!

Thx.


21 posted on 06/22/2004 9:52:00 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: bored at work

WOW. Thx.

I don't know how often it will have any contributions. It's not something I'll make a huge priority. But as I, and hopefully others, run across something interesting, at least, for now, there's a good place to put it. LOL.

No comment yet from LM.

Hope we can walk a kosher enough line to avoid too much upset upstairs.


22 posted on 06/22/2004 9:54:16 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: bored at work

REPOST TO THIS THREAD--PROPHETIC WARNING (1):

[TO MY MIND, the PROPHETIC WARNING (2) from a different source with different dream and vision components is more sobering. I'll post it shortly.]

WARNING, RULERS OF THE EARTH *

by Lou Engle

http://elijahrevolution.com/er2

Warning Rulers of the Earth

I recently had what I believe is a profound prophetic experience. I was preaching in an African American church in San Francisco when a tall man and his entourage entered the room. With every eye on him, he made his way to the front row and sat down. I did not know who he was, but after I finished preaching, the pastor introduced him as the mayor of San Francisco! He then asked me to pray for him.

The Spirit of the Lord stirred me with conviction and agitation as I stretched out my hand to him and prayed forcefully, "God, I thank you that all earthly government is derived from your heavenly government. Therefore, let this man know that he will be held accountable for everything he does in this city under the government of God. In Jesus' name. Amen."

Three weeks later, this same man, Gavin Newsome, mayor of San Francisco, was on the front page of every newspaper in America, having ignited the same sex marriage firestorm in America by instructing city clerks to issue gay marriage licenses.

Sent to Warn Our Leaders As I pondered this amazing 'coincidence', God gripped me with the conviction that He had sent me to warn this man in the spirit of Psalm 2:10, "Therefore, you kings, be wise, be warned you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way."

This warning was not for Mayor Newsome alone, but prophetically represents leaders and politicians everywhere. I believe it is a prophetic picture of the Church's role in this hour; to stand for righteousness and justice and to soberly warn those in authority who would pass laws that hold the Law of God in contempt. The same-sex marriage issue transcends political differences and touches on the very foundations of society.

A Clash of World Views

In this confrontation, I felt that God was thrusting me again, as in 2000, into the spiritual and cultural battle for our nation. These upcoming elections are not about the war or the economy, but about the titanic clash of worldviews - one which can still call evil 'evil' and good 'good' because it is founded on a biblical worldview espoused by our forefathers - and the other based on relativity, where ethics are vague and absolute truth does not exist.

Let us be very clear on this: God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat. He stands alone, above all governments of men, unmoved by the raging sea of history. He judges nations, and He does not ask kings and presidents for their opinion. Instead, He holds them accountable to carry out His unchanging Law lest they come under His wrath, as Psalms 2 reminds us.

God instituted human government to bring order to society and to restrain violence. Romans 13: 3-4 tells us, the government should hold no terror for the blameless, since it bears the sword to punish evildoers. However, when governments become renegade, they cross their own boundaries and use that sword against the innocent. Through legalized abortion, over 40 million American babies have been terrorized in the womb since 1973. Yet the church still votes for those who sanction this atrocity!

Through our votes, we are guilty before God of making alliances with governments whose laws enshrine evil, particularly the evil of shedding innocent blood, the ultimate moral offense.

America at the Crossroads

In a few short months, America will vote again and the stakes are even higher this time. The outcome of this election will shape America's judicial future for decades to come. The next President of the United States of America will almost certainly decide the fate of legalized abortion and whether millions of innocent lives will continue to be taken 'legally' in our country.

Chief Justice Rehnquist, appointed 32 years ago by Nixon, is now 80. Justice Stevens, a liberal, is 84 years old. Justices O'Connor and Ginsburg are 74 and 71 years old, respectively. Any of these pro-choice Justices could vacate their seats during the next 4 years, due to illness, death or retirement.

In 2000, in Stenberg v. Carhart, the U.S. Supreme Court - by a narrow 5-4 vote - struck down a Nebraska abortion ban. This five-member pro-choice majority would be overthrown by the appointment of just one new Justice, potentially by the next president!

In January 2004, we officially closed The Call offices, having fulfilled our mandate from the Lord for that season. However, our country and our leaders remain in desperate need of prayer, now more than ever. In fact, I believe that we are at a place of far greater crisis than we were in 2000. This is not hype or rhetoric, but a sober assessment of our national condition.

In the four short years since The Call DC, America has endured the horrors of 9/11 and fought two wars that continue to claim lives.

The nation and the church are buckling under an escalating spiritual and moral crisis, punctuated by events such as the removal of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama courthouse, the Catholic Church sex abuse scandals and the ordination of a practicing homosexual, given a place of prominence and spiritual authority within the Body of Christ as an Episcopal Bishop. Last month, Massachusetts (home state of Sen. John Kerry) became the first state in our nation's 200 year history to recognize homosexual marriage in bold defiance of the law of God.

Governmental House of Prayer

In light of these things, I am compelled, as never before, by the word the Lord spoke to me, "Raise up a House of Prayer that will contend with every other house."

Now is time for a House of Prayer that will contend for the government of our land!

We believe God is calling for 120 young Nazirites to come to Colorado Springs for 50 days of day and night worship and intercession. We're inviting thousands more to join them at this 24/7 Governmental House of Prayer at the Navigator's Facility from July 10 to August 28, 2004.

This will be no easy walk in the park.

It will be intense. Each student will be expected to give eight hours a day or night. Many will go on extended fasts. The night watches will be as important as the day battles.

I am asking for worship teams that can carry the fire of worship. There will be two-hour shifts for devotion and spiritual refreshing. Then we will follow the Lord again into the battle for the elections, for the courts of our nation and the overturning of Roe v. Wade, for a great youth awakening, for the ending of the Iraq war and for a powerful move of the Holy Spirit in the homosexual communities of America.

While many are convinced that George Bush somehow 'stole' that election, we believe it was the prayers of the church which ultimately decided the outcome of that struggle, as God intervened in human affairs in response to our intercession. Many ministries, including The Call DC, called for extended fasting and prayer during that time and perhaps as many as 1 million people went on a 21-day fast.

It is clear that this coming election will be just as bitterly fought and just as closely won by whomever triumphs.

I believe this is the hour for thousands of young people to come to Colorado Springs to shake the heavens over America for 50 days! Will you help us do this - through your prayers and by giving generously to this cause? Thank you in advance for joining us in this battle.

For Revival,

Lou Engle

http://elijahrevolution.com/er2/




* NOTE FROM PAM:
With our prayers to bring down government sanction of this promotion of abomination before God, we must also pray for the complete deliverance of those who are held captive. Many people who have struggled with these spirits have not felt free to share with others the battles they were in and for some, it has even led to suicide because they felt there was no way out. Some have gotten defiant because for them it was better than "going under."

There are sins for which when the door is opened, it can seem next to impossible to close it, except for the grace and powers of God. Some people have been victims of child molestation over which they had no control and this opened the door.

Some rebel just to rebel but some have been severely damaged. To just say "Get over it" to them is like telling a person without an arm to "Just grow out an arm!" It takes His special grace. God wants to heal us wholely. It's an area where we need compassion but also the resolution to stand for Truth, for we must please God. He will deliver. He is able.


23 posted on 06/22/2004 2:09:09 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: bored at work; All

HERE'S THE MORE SOBERING, to my mind, PROPHETIC WARNING (2) via PAM CLARK:




NOTE FROM PAM: We have invitations to the Kingdom and we have words and warnings about life conditions. Those sheep who hear His Voice will be led by His Spirit. Those who have an indifferent ear, and who do not seek to know the One who made them can find themselves without the protections they could have had if they had.


There are a number of words about the great outpourings coming and a number about the coming judgments. BOTH CAN BE TRUE [QX emphasis added]. These warnings are for believers to prepare as they listen for His Voice with a willing hearts to help others understand. Prophetic language is often symbolic but as well can be true image. Ninevah repented. Obedience and seeking Him makes a difference. God judges the heart. Like Stephen says here, the Lord has dealt with me also to give the full warnings.

_____________________


THE HEDGE OF PROTECTION IS BEING REMOVED

by Stephen Hanson

[addy removed. I think it's available at his site]

http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth

June 20, 2004

ISA 5:5 Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard:I will take away its hedge,and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled.

(I asked the Lord to tell me more about the coastline regions and the dangers that they might face in the near future. This is what He told me. I sought more answers and information based upon the word that He had given to me on Jun 17, 2004. I do not relish sending forth messages like this, but I believe that I am to be obedient to warn you. )

"The coastlines are far from Me and my desires. All who live in large metropolitan cities will be targeted soon. Remain in Me and I will remain in you. The branch cannot survive unless it is rooted into the tree. Many of you are far from Me. Because of your great sins and wayward ways, these things are coming. If I speak to you concerning your safety, then you should move. "

(The Lord showed me a picture of the state of California. I looked at it as if it were a 3-D layer of ground with its boundaries. I saw it waver from side to side and rock back and forth. I then saw ocean waves begin to spill over onto it as it rocked back and forth. It sank and then seemed to come back up again.)

(I then saw bomber planes drop bombs below onto the ground. Concentric circles, or waves, came forth then from this action below. I saw what looked like an arm or hand coming out of the water. Someone or others, were attempting to rescue or grab this arm out of the water. Eventually it came out and what I saw was the Statue of Liberty. It had evidently been hit and now people were attempting to help erect it again.)

"I tell you that many of the freedoms that America once had, will be lost. You were once a land of liberty and promise, but I tell you that you are far from Me. You think that you will always be safe and that the wall of protection is round about you. You are wrong. Are you safe from danger when you are far from Me? Have you gone to your prayer chambers and prayed about these things? I tell you that I have warned, and warned, and warned you. A foreign power will enter into your borders; and yet, I will protect my people, says the Lord. "

(This vision/word finished with one more scene. I saw the land of America from the air, and it had a net of some sort that had been placed on top of it. Now, I saw a great hand reach down and take this net that once had been secured on top of America and was now, taking it off. It had been pinned down in all directions, and had been safely fastened to the ground around it. I watched this great hand take the entire net and ropes that held it into place, and toss it away. I sensed that now the hedge of protection that had for many years, been safe upon our nation, was now being removed. )




AMERICA'S JUDGMENT (?)

(June 19th, 2001)

by Hollie L. Moody

[addy available, I think, from her site]

I experienced the following vision ~~

There was a tremendous mob of people. They were milling around. The noise was incredible. For some reason, I sensed that all these people were claiming to be Christians.

I heard some of the people preaching and prophesying. Whenever someone began to preach and / or prophesy, crowds of people would run over to this person and gather around them. Then, another person would begin to preach and / or prophesy, and large crowds of people would then run over to that other person to listen to them.

Soon, there was a tremendous confusion of sermons and words from the Lord being shouted out to the crowds of people. The whole scene was one of absolute chaos and confusion.

But suddenly, I heard a small whisper. Some of the other people appeared to hear the small whisper also. We began to follow the sound of this small whisper to its source. The source was the Lord.

He was standing out in a desert, wilderness scene. A small group of people were standing quietly and solemnly around the Lord. In contrast with the mob of people I had just left, this group of people was extremely quiet and silent. They were very intense and totally focused upon the Lord. They were looking off in the distance, as if waiting for more to join them.

I watched as the Lord began to hand out small, rolled-up scrolls to each person. As each person received a scroll, they would stand to the right of the Lord. Soon, each person had received a scroll.

"What is this scroll, Lord?" someone asked.

"It is a message from Me," the Lord replied. "I have given to those of My children who have heard My still, small voice a message to deliver. They each have their orders from Me, and know exactly who to take the message to, and what the message is. They are to go only to who I send them to, and speak only what I have told them to speak."

Immediately after I experienced this vision, the Lord instructed me to go and take a nap; that He was going to speak to me in a dream.

The Lord telling me He is going to speak to me in a dream has never happened to me before, so I tried this voice to see if it was really from the Lord or not. I went to take my nap, and before I fell asleep, the Lord spoke the following to me. He said ~~

"I will be speaking to you in visions and dreams, and you will not understand them. I will instruct you who to speak of them to. These people will know what to do with them, and what they mean. This is a time of many voices clamoring to be heard. Pay close attention to whose voice you do and do not listen to. Take heed to your soul."

I then fell asleep and had the following dream ~~

I was in a room. The walls of this room were covered with pictures of babies being born. I was going from picture to picture, studying each one. Each stage of labor was represented.

This was the whole dream. Upon awakening, I was extremely puzzled and perplexed by this dream.

The next day, I experienced another vision. This was a horrific vision to me, and I've held it inside for another day because of how truly horrible and frightening it was to me.

I saw an angel with a large scale step out of the portals of heaven. This was one of those old-fashioned type scale that has like a small bowl on each side. As one side is weighted, the other side goes up and vice versus.

This angel began to place weights upon first one side of the scale, then the other. When both sides were equally weighted, a voice called out, "Hold!" (I somehow knew this voice belonged to the Lord.)

There was a very intense waiting silence after this command was called out.

I then realized that I was way up in the heaves, looking down on the earth. My attention became directed and centered upon the United States. I saw like a shield in place around America. Angels were on the inside of the shield, bracing themselves against it.

I then saw hordes of demons on the other side of this shield, pushing frantically and furiously against their side of the shield. They were howling angrily. It terrified me.

I saw those with the small rolled-up scrolls running with their message from the Lord. They were weeping and wailing as they ran, and also as they delivered their message. After they delivered their message, they would fall flat on their faces and continue to wail and lament.

Many who were the recipients of these messages also fell flat on their faces after they received and read the message. I heard their cries of repentance echoing throughout America. (The dream about the babies being born came back to my mind at this point. What I was seeing in this portion of the vision made me think of a birthing of revival brought about through tears of repentance and godly sorrow.)

Others who received the message, threw it away in disgust and disdain after having read it.

My attention then became focused upon Washington, DC. (I was still way up in the heavens in this vision, looking down upon this scene.) Something was transpiring within the White House. I saw some sort of "waves" undulating out from within the White House. These waves had some sort of far-reaching repercussions.

When these waves came forth from within the White House, I heard the angels who were still pushing against the demons on their side of the shield begin to wail and keen. When the demons saw the waves emanating from within the White House, they began to scream with victory.

The angel with the scale put one more weight upon one side of the scale. One side of the scale hit the ground.

When this occurred, the shield around America fell down, and the demons streamed into America, howling and in a frenzy.

I heard a voice proclaim, and once again, I knew it to be the Lord's voice ~~

"America! America! How oft I sent My prophets to you, and you scorned and ignored them. How oft I revealed Myself in majesty and power to you. You enjoyed the power and majesty, yet not the cost of following Me.

"Your ground is soaked with the blood of the innocents, and how shall I ignore or overlook this when it continues daily to occur? Your streets overflow with degradation. Many of your churches reek with hypocrisy, and My sheep have been driven away and have been left to wander alone; where they have become meat and prey for the wolves.

"Yet, I would wipe out these sins, and blot out their remembrance; if you had only returned unto Me with all your heart. I have stayed My judgment for a season. I will stay it no longer. You have been weighed, and have been found wanting. I have no pleasure in your judgment, America. Prepare to meet your Maker."

I then watched scene after scene of carnage and terror befall America. I just don't want or desire to go into detail about it. My heart was breaking as I witnessed all of this, and I was myself filled with horror and terror.

I went into the bedroom of each of my three precious, wonderful little children. Tears of fear fell down my cheeks as I gazed down at each one of my sleeping children, wondering in my heart what would befall them. If some of these scenes I witnessed actually do come to pass, I know that one of my children at least, would not survive. She has need of special medical supplies for insulin dependent diabetes. These supplies would be extremely limited to impossible to locate or receive if any of this vision actually occurs in her lifetime.

I don't have a time frame for any of this. If I am mocked or ridiculed for sharing this vision, I accept that. Once again, let me repeat, I pray this vision is false or does not occur. I will continue to pray and intercede for my country, and for a spirit of repentance to sweep across the shores of America. Yet, part of me feels that judgment will only be stayed if such a spirit of repentance does occur. The judgment is set. Too much has occurred within the borders of America for there to be no reaping of what has been sown for centuries.

I love America. I love my country. I love being an American. I love the American flag and our national anthem, "The Star Spangled Banner."

I will continue to pray for a spirit of repentance to come upon my nation.

In Him,

~~ Hollie L. Moody


24 posted on 06/22/2004 2:14:54 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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Deadly Sars virus found in tears


Scientists believe Sars is here to stay The deadly Sars virus has been found in tears, it has been announced.


Doctors in Singapore swabbed the tear ducts of 36 patients with suspected Sars in April 2003. Eight of these were later diagnosed with probable Sars. The doctors have now revealed that they found signs of Sars in the tears of three of these patients.


Writing in the British Journal of Ophthalmology, they said the findings suggest the virus could be transmitted through tears.

Infected thousands The highly infectious respiratory illness Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or Sars, first emerged in China's southern province of Guangdong in late 2002. It affected more than 8,000 people throughout 2003 in dozens of countries worldwide and claimed the lives of 774.

A much smaller outbreak occurred earlier this year. Many scientists believe the virus is here to stay. This may be a simple tool in identifying probably cases in future

Dr Seng Chee Loon

There is still no vaccine to protect against Sars and there is no specific cure, although existing drugs appear to work for some people.


Scientists are trying to develop a test which would enable doctors to diagnose the virus earlier.


Dr Seng Chee Loon and colleagues at Singapore's National University say analysing tear samples could be one way of spotting the virus. The three patients who had signs of Sars in their tear ducts were all believed to be in the early stages of infection. They had all been tested within nine days of their symptoms starting.

Early stages The remaining patients, who had no signs of the virus in their tears but were later diagnosed with probable Sars, were tested at least 11 days after the start of their symptoms.

The doctors suggested that Sars may only be present in the tear ducts in the early stages of the virus. Signs of other viruses, such as herpes, hepatitis and measles, have also been detected in tears.

The doctors are now planning to carry out further tests to see if analysing tears could be a way of spotting Sars.

"Even as the epidemic has died down, we are warned of future outbreaks.

"This may be a simple tool in identifying probably cases in future and prospective trials are being designed for this purpose," they wrote.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3819209.stm

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25 posted on 06/22/2004 2:33:20 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Check out this seismic chart for Russia today, Tue 06/22/04 15:05 MDT (Tue 06/22/04 21:05 GMT).

http://aslwww.cr.usgs.gov/Seismic_Data/telemetry_data/YSS_24hr.html

26 posted on 06/22/2004 2:38:12 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn

Thanks for the link.

I have no idea of how to interpret this graph, however.


27 posted on 06/22/2004 2:54:16 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Earthquake on Hokkaido, Japan, just south of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Russia.


28 posted on 06/22/2004 3:05:30 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Not sure how to interpret either.

But it LOOKS LIKE a pretty serious section with all those bars close together there.

Thx.


29 posted on 06/22/2004 3:27:53 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Momaw Nadon

THX.

Maybe I should track that prediction down again about the warning quake in Alaska etc.


30 posted on 06/22/2004 3:28:51 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Momaw Nadon

HERE IT IS:

05/11/04 UPDATE
Timothy Snodgrass

05/11/04 UPDATE

I have just returned from an outreach in the mountains of Northern Luzon, and am now now packing my bags in preparation for my international flight from Manila to Los Angeles on May 13. I will be in the United States for two weeks, then depart for Cape Town, South Africa on May 31.

Prayer Alert - China & Taiwan: Today I received another strong prophetic warning to intercede for Taiwan & China -- specifically, between May 20 (President Chen's inauguration) and the months immediately following. What is transpiring behind the scenes regarding Taiwan's struggle for Independence will directly affect the timetable of the coming quake we have been forewarned about in Asia.

Prayer Alert -

America: Just as a great quake now can be seen on the horizon in Asia, so another great quake is on the threshhold of occurring in the Continental United States. The scales between judgment and grace can easily be tilted by the decisions of leaders behind the scenes who are inwardly thirsty for the anointing and change. An unprecedented wake up call is now at hand -- a great quake in Alaska which will send shock waves rippling around the globe. This quake will be preceded by a smaller quake in the 7-point range south of Alaska along the North American West Coast.

The key to offsetting these two great quakes in 2004 - in China and the US - is strategic prayer towards leadership. Waves of healing must be sent through strategic intercession to the White House, Bejing and Taipei.

If you allow yourself to be used as an instrument of healing between the nations which are now in peril, that same healing anointing will flow out through you to your own city, to those crying out for fresh manna from heaven. We are on the verge of one of the greatest healing movements the world has ever seen -- let it begin in you!

Timothy Snodgrass

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31 posted on 06/22/2004 3:35:07 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix

found it. Thanks!


32 posted on 06/23/2004 7:34:35 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: ExSoldier

Can you say a shred of anything about the aforementioned's association with

any

of my aforementioned uhhhh sorts of projects

hereon or via FREEPMAIL?


33 posted on 06/23/2004 8:28:29 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: CJ Wolf

THANKS for your looking and finding!

Please contribute as you see fit!


34 posted on 06/23/2004 8:31:20 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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You mean the idea about UFO's etc? I would assume you mean some sort of association with Area 51? I seriously DOUBT it. Wackenhut made his $$$ with rent-a-cops that are your run of the mill; usually immigrant; barely high school grad sort of folks. Strictly "just above" the minimum wage people. Does that sound like it belongs to the super secret Area 51?

Does it make sense for the Government (THEM/THEY/Puppet Masters) to bring any sort of civilian security contractor whose silence and loyalties couldn't be assured? I don't think so. Wackenhut provides security personnel for a number of private prison facilities because private industry is more efficient than the public sector Corrections Personnel.

They also provide security at various nuclear power plants. When I was but 19 I did this at Turkey Point Power Plant and had access to an M16, long before I joined ROTC and later, the Army. I'm sure I wasn't capable of repelling any sort of terrorist attack and I'll bet that is still the situation. Of course, I'll bet the power plants are all plugged into Homeland Security and the Pentagon, now, for a Quick Reaction Force in an emergency!

35 posted on 06/23/2004 8:44:03 AM PDT by ExSoldier (.45 Auto: The Original "Point and Click" interface!)
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From:

Gladrags2@webtv.net

(Anita Bush)

To:

end-times_news@associate.com

Subject: Pakistans Long-range Missile May Trigger Israeli Pre-emptive Strike

Pakistan's Long-Range Missile May Trigger Israeli Pre-Emptive Strike

Salt Lake Tribune

Late last month Pakistan's Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali watched a test-launch of the country's Ghauri missile, whose 930-mile range allows it to deliver nuclear warheads anywhere in India except Assam and the far south.

There was the usual communique saying that "The prime minister made it clear that Pakistan's edge over its adversaries will be maintained at all costs."

And then just a brief reference to the fact that some time this month will see the first test flight of Pakistan's longest-range missile, the Ghauri III missile, which can strike at targets 2,175 miles away.

Now, what target do you suppose that new missile is meant for? It can't be just India, because no part of India is much more than half that distance away from Pakistan. Time to get the atlas out. Okay, the Ghauri III can reach Thailand and Vietnam, but Pakistan has no quarrel with them. It can just about reach Beijing, but China is sort of an ally (at least in the sense that it also sees India as a strategic rival). So what could it be?

. Oh, look, it can reach Israel. Back in 1982, in Tel Aviv, I interviewed a man called Meir Pa'il. He was a left-wing member of the Knesset who had once served as a colonel on the Israeli general staff, and he told me a story. It was about Israel's nuclear weapons, which Israel never officially confirms that it has, and since he didn't want to end up in jail for 18 years like Mordechai Vanunu later did, he told his story carefully, without ever saying the magic words "nuclear weapons." But his meaning was absolutely clear.

The subject was hot, because just the previous year Israeli planes had flown all the way to Iraq in an unprovoked attack to destroy an experimental nuclear reactor, "Osirak," that was under construction there. Basically, it was an election stunt by Menachem Begin's Likud government, which was in the midst of a hard-fought re-election campaign and needed a patriotic boost.

The reactor could not produce weapons-grade material, and in any case Israeli intelligence must have known that Saddam Hussein was at least 10 years away from nuclear weapons. But the subject was on people's minds. Pa'il told me that in the late '50s, the Israeli government had been deciding to build a new weapon (which must remain anonymous) that would give it total strategic superiority in the region.

Like every member of the general staff, he had the right to demand a full conference to make his case to his colleagues if he thought that a serious mistake was being made. If they didn't agree with him, of course, his military career would be finished -- but he demanded the meeting anyway.

Pa'il argued that Israel was already militarily secure, and could not be beaten for the foreseeable future by any combination of Arab armies.

Perfectly true; in fact, it's still true today. So why, he asked, would any Israeli government take the lead in introducing a new weapon into the region which, if the Arabs eventually got it too, would negate Israel's existing military superiority and expose it to the danger of annihilation? Indeed,wouldn't Israel's possession of this weapon actually goad the Arabs into trying to match it?

They heard him out and rejected his argument, so he retired from the army and went into politics. Israel's nuclear weapons were duly built -- there are now at least 200 of them -- and for more than 40 years, Israel has gotten away with it. Pa'il's concern was reasonable, but he was wrong:

No Arab country except Iraq ever seriously tried to get a nuclear weapon, and even Saddam Hussein gave up when United Nations arms inspectors dismantled his whole program after his defeat in the Gulf war of 1991. Israel has been very lucky -- until now.

Pakistan's nuclear weapons were not built with Israel in mind, of course. They were a response to India's determined drive for nuclear weapons, partly because it felt vulnerable to China, partly just as a badge of great-power status.

It is not known if any colonel on the Indian general staff ever pointed out that India enjoyed unchallengeable military superiority over Pakistan -- six times the population and almost 10 times the economy -- UNLESS both sides acquired nuclear weapons, in which case both sides would be equally and totally vulnerable to destruction. If he did, nobody listened.

So India got nukes, and therefore Pakistan got them. Eventually, in 1998, India tested its weapons publicly, so Pakistan did, too. But long before that, both sides were already building missiles to deliver the nuclear weapons. India wanted a long-range one (because it thinks in terms of a nuclear conflict with China), so Pakistan's armed forces asked for a long-range missile, too.

Did the generals who asked for it know that it would put Israel within range of Pakistan's nuclear weapons? I don't know, but most generals can read maps.


Nobody's luck lasts forever: Israel will soon be vulnerable to a nuclear strike at last. The present Pakistani government would never consider such a thing, but if Islamist extremists should ever seize power there -- well, Pakistan is very vulnerable to an Israeli pre-emptive nuclear strike, and Israel never lets the other side get in the first blow if it can help it.


http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Jun/06212004/commenta/commenta.asp


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36 posted on 06/23/2004 9:22:52 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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For another perspective . . .

[remember, both judgment and mercy can be true--judgment for ungodly, unblieving, lukewarm; mercy for those earnestly eager to walk with God.]




"I PLAN TO GIVE MOUTH TO MOUTH RESUSCITATION TO AMERICA ... AND KISS HER FACE AGAIN!"

by Bill Yount

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Email:

theshofarhasblown@juno.com

In the Spirit I saw hair-line cracks appearing on the marble floor of the White House!

As I saw these hair-line cracks begin to appear on the marble floor of the White House, I sensed the Lord speaking from Job 14:7, 8, 9. "For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will grow again, and that the tender branch (of government) thereof will not cease. Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground; Yet through the scent of water it will bud, and bring forth boughs like a plant."


I sensed the Lord saying, "As Samson's hair began to grow again, so are the spiritual roots of this nation." As I saw the cracking of the floor increase, it was like the very foundation of deception and greed was beginning to be dismantled ... exposing the enemy! (The enemy is not a man but Satan.)


I said to the Lord, "What has caused these spiritual roots of your Spirit to begin to grow again at this time?" I sensed the Father saying, "I have collected in a bottle every tear that swelled up in every eye that mourned for My righteous son, President Ronald Reagan. The day that 'tall tree' (President Ronald Reagan) fell, followed by days of mourning, those tears in My bottle were poured out over America causing her roots of righteousness to begin to spring forth in the land. Up here, we have always known him as 'Righteous Ronald'!"

'Paramedic Angels'

In the Spirit I saw what appeared to be 'paramedic angels'
dispatched, dropping from the heavens as in parachutes, landing on the front lawn of the White House. It seemed that those grass roots of righteousness that began to crack the White House floor had set off an alarm in hell, summoning these angels with urgency to surround the White House.


I saw multitudes of other angels descending upon and filling up the mall of the nation's capitol. I saw that these were Second Chronicles 7:14, 15, 16 angels who had the scripture written all over them..."If My people who are called by My name shall humble themselves and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (15) Now Mine eyes shall be open, and Mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. (16) For now have I chosen and sanctified this House, that My name may be there for ever: and Mine eyes and Mine heart shall be there perpetually."


Warring on [based on the call from] Corporate Prayer

These 'Second Chronicles' angels seemed to have had assignments throughout the ages to descend upon nations that were in critical time frames where a nation seemed to be hanging in the balance of going either way. These angels warred solely and strictly on 'corporate prayer' only! I sensed they had come to Washington, D.C., but now were given orders to wait on the rising tide of 'corporate prayer' from the heart of America.

Some certain angels were released into war for a nation only through tears...nothing else moved these ones. Not even prayer, unless tears were mixed with them.

I asked the Lord, "Father, why 'paramedic angels'? I have never heard of them." I sensed He responded, "I plan to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to America and kiss her face again!"


"Oh America...is that a prayer on your lips that I hear... and is that a tear in your eye?"

by Bill Yount
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37 posted on 06/23/2004 4:30:27 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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PERSONAL OBSERVATION OF PHX LIGHTS FROM FREEPER MamaDearest:



What we saw Quix was indeed saucer shaped with lights all around it - many many many lights. I took photos, but gave them to my son years ago. It was the lights most that we both remember. News reports later in the day said it was a "weather balloon." Trust me, it looked nothing like any weather balloon I could fathom in my imagination. My son is a graphic artist. He immediately went back in the house and began to sketch it. I'll ask him if he remembers the shape better than I do or if he still has that sketch.


38 posted on 06/23/2004 7:47:36 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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INTERESTING DOC RE CASTRO, HIS CANCER AND HIS REQUEST FOR PRAYER AS WELL AS HIS INTEREST IN NATIVE AMERICAN'S REASONS FOR BECOMING CHRISTIANS:

FIDEL CASTRO HAS CANCER  [interesting prayer request ....

please read....Prayer team requested by Castro....hmm]:

From:

[Qx deleted email for Janet's privacy & safety--available on request by those I know] (Janet Marr)

Please pray for Jay and Joan Swallow along with Negiel Big Pond and his wife. They are leaving for Cuba this Wednesday to meet with Fidel Castro, by the request of Castro.

They will be returning on June 29th.

Castro has cancer at this time.

His daughter and son-in-law are christians. Fidel wants to talk to Native Americans to see why they have become Christians. He wants to know why they have chosen to believe in the religion of "white people" who have had a history of murder and agression against Native Americans.

There will be 40 intercessors travelling with the team who will need prayer covering also.

Please pray for their safety as well as protection on family and friends who are at home.

Please pray for what Jay and Negiel will be speaking with Fidel about and ask for God to bless and lead their conversations.

Also remember to lift Cuba, the country, in prayer too!Fidel has been in power since 1959 when he led a revolution that overthrew the government of dictator, Fulgencio Batiista y Zaldivar.

The Cuban Constitution which was adopted in 1976 states that Cuba is a socialist state. It is governed by a single political party, the Partido Comunista de Cuba (Communist Party of Cuba), also known as the PPC.

Until the 1990's membership in the PPC was highly restricted, for example people who attended religious services were barred from membership.

In the 1990's however, the party began to expand 'its membership and started allowing churchgoers to join.

The PPC also sought to attract greater numbers of young people, women, and Cubans of African descent.

Fidel Castro's illness may bring turmoil to the country. Other people may attempt to gain control, so please keep the peace of Cuba as a country in mind while you pray along with its relations with other countries. I would ask that you send this email on to other intercessory groups that you know of, and also bring it to any prayer groups that you are attending to lift it up at this time.

Blessings.
Janet Marr

39 posted on 06/23/2004 10:43:04 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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Assuming even half what you assert is true, I can appreciate that protecting your identity could be rather priceless as well as a life/death issue.

But I don't think you can blame people, given all the givens, for questioning your credentials etc. It's not as though you come here with a long list of very trustworthy vetting data points.

In terms of asking God. . . .

1) THE UFO/ET PART OF THE 'LIGHT SHOW' WILL BEGIN?

I don't have God's reply on this score. My sense is within 1-5 years.

2) THE WWIII PART OF THE BIBLICAL 'END TIMES' 'LIGHT SHOW' WILL BEGIN?

I also expect within 1-5 years.

3) THE GLOBALISTS WILL OVERTLY SHOW THEIR HAND?

I also expect within 2-7 years.


40 posted on 06/27/2004 2:07:09 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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GC: America is falling from within:

QX: No big argument there.

GC: With the looming elections of another terrorist President in the wings, America is positioning itself for another 4 years of corruption. America’s greatest assets are its uninformed citizens that think that clouds are still made of cotton candy and Mickey Mouse is real!
The more in the dark you are the more you can be manipulated into submission.

QX: IF you are asserting that George W Bush is worse than KOMMIE KERRY, I guess I still differ rather intensely on that score. I see KOMMIE KERRY BRINGING ON THE GLOBALIST GOVERNMENT MUCH SOONER. Do you really disagree? Who's side are you on? Are you FOR the globalist government as many TMMer's believe you are?

GC: Europe is run by the same “Bad Boys” and will suffer the same fate if they do not distance themselves from America! I am sure that someone somewhere is plotting the next suicide bomb to kill those innocent people who just wish to have natural fun and live a life with dignity and respect and not have their heads cut off on national TV for all to see and gasp in horror!

QX: I don't know which country contains the greatest number of most destructive puppet masters. It would seem at times, that we do. But we have no monopoly on them. Europe seems destined per Biblical prophecy to eclipse the USA at some point in this end times game. Probably quite sadly.

GC: America is behind most of the terror in many countries and now they will sow what they reap!

QX: That's a pretty wholesale broadside. I can believe that the puppet masters are. I'm very skeptical that "America" is wholesale. I suspect there are more patriots playing more hidden roles than you or anyone but God could guess at.

GC: China is learning fast not to trust the west, but be original in your tactics!

QX: I tend to be rather original. But, Chinese don't trust people from the next door neighborhood--much less the West!

GC: Saudi Arabia all along cannot stand Americans and will not rest until America falls!

QX: No doubt about that.

GC: They are double dipping in the pot by selling oil, employing Americans and others, and using the profits from oil sells to finance terrorist groups worldwide. They even kill their own to make a point.

QX: No argument there.

GC: But the Middle East needs water more than oil and just maybe someone will turn their water off!

QX: Energy can = water as they've demonstrated. Would have to turn off the energy to turn off the water. Though the Israelis and Turks could have some say about some of the river waters.

GC: America has murdered and destroyed nations of people, while the UN just stood by. Politics is weak and has no strength; all run by fat little men that need Viagra to stay up with the pack!

QX: Our history with Native Americans and others has not been lily white by a long shot. Still, we're tons better than the 2nd best in a list of ways.

GC: The Americans are weak, Aids infested people that believe that excess is a normal way of life.

QX: Too much truth to that!

GC: They will suck the blood from a vampire to get what they want!

QX: Many arrogant leaders would certainly try!

GC: And yes they are getting just revenge against America for their crimes against humanity all in the name of their God! God has forsaken America and has turned his favor away so that means that its like a lamb all alone on the plains with no shepherd to lead the flock and hungry lions waiting for the cover of darkness to fall!

QX: Growing truth to that. But not all the righteous have quit praying and not all have quit living as righteously by God's Grace, as much as they can. And, I think our ratio is still better than that related to Abraham about 10 righteous left in Soddom and G.


41 posted on 06/27/2004 2:15:38 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix

To: Darlin'
FOLLOWING--PERHAPS MORE THAN YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE QUIX. PLEASE AVOID IF NOT CONSTRUCTIVELY INTERESTED, PLEASE.

I DO NOT EXPECT AT ALL TO RESPOND IN THE THREAD TO ANY RESPONSES. I MAY NOT RESPOND IN PRIVATE MESSAGES. I HOPE THIS CAN HELP BRING SOME TERMINAL CLOSURE TO SUCH EXCHANGES.








Darlin':

"Yes, of course, you were."






I hope to make one post (this one) today and leave it be--ENOUGH TOSSING WORDS AT ONE ANOTHER ON SUCH AN ISSUE!

Re: the above satire "of course, you were.": Actually, I was. There are probably 6 churches I've visited in the last 2 years here. One my grandfather started. Another my parents helped get and keep going two different times with a precious pastor who'd been a missionary to the Navajos. When I posted that comment, I had been reflecting on how dramatically they'd changed.

The leadership had become arrogant, blind, self-righteous, narrow, closed to input etc. Music in a couple of cases was measured routinely at 95-104 db and in one case it was clearly up over 125db for more than an hour. It was like a different planet in terms of what I was used to and expected. Other churches of the 6 or so were not as bad but were still markedly different from what I hoped for. I felt like a fish out of water in all of them.

Thankfully, I just recently finally found a small new church where the pastor, though young, came from a solid pastor's family where the pastor fiercely protected family time. He had a great relationship with his two sons. It clearly makes a difference when leadership hasn't grown up in a seriously dysfunctional family.

SO, YES, I WAS thinking of local groups and trying to see what common themes there were that I might reflect on and learn from in all this. You may not believe the truth but that doesn't stop it from being the truth.

You may have never met any character like me. But that doesn't stop me from being me.






RE: cliques etc. [more or less as FREEPMAILED to Jim R]:

BTW,

I didn't originate the clique insight. Someone else did to me some time ago and I reluctantly agreed it was true [incidentally, multiple people have affirmed their agreement with that insight by PM the last 24 hours]. I declined to inquire who was involved and STILL DO NOT wish to know nor even surmise myself. And I have not. I have not even allowed myself to ponder it at all in terms of size or identities.

I don't recall what triggered me mentioning the clique issue. Some assault, as I recall.

As I noted above, I have not allowed myself to even go there AT ALL. Whoever it was, (I don't remember who but someone who's opinion and experience hereon I respected highly), may have an idea but I don't and I didn't ask them. I refuse to even allow myself to come up with a name list. I certainly wouldn't share it with anyone but maybe Piper etc. if I did and even then it would be just to check out my perceptions. But I refuse to even go there myself in my private prayer closet.

I think occasionally, when snipey comments seem to take on the character of haughty elites throwing rocks at the serfs,

it's a reasonable thing to throw out without naming anyone.

Let everyone consider their own conscienceS and adjust accordingly.

Perhaps part of the loud noise about the issue is the common phenomena of something being too true for comfort so the best defense becomes an offense.






Someone else has suggested that the week and stress of the Marine etc. has gotten to all of us. Probably some truth to that.

Someone else has noted that tirades get more frequent and intense later in the evening--probably after alcohol consumption. Probably some truth to that.

But, mostly, I honestly think, it's communciation styles, personality differences, petty sensibilities and fierce convictions, feelings about same.






RE: I have 0.00% doubt in your enormous capacity to question virtually anything I say. I think you are awesomely talented in that regard. You may well even be among the best at it.

My 100% true thought process before posting that was: I wonder what I could say that would be 100% true and 100% positive praise. Then those 3 sentences came immediately to mind. I did not analyize them beyond considering whether they were true and could I own them in my heart. I felt I could so posted it immediately. It has long ceased to be a very big issue that some things I can do for others are at my own expense. In hindsight, I can see why some would consider that satire. It was not felt nor written as satire at the time. I realize people without a clue about my heart will believe what they will.






One clever poster accused me of having a mix of:

--a Narcissistic Personality Disorder (301.81 in DSM IV DRAFT VERSION) and an Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7)

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER CRITERIA:

A pervasive pattern of gradiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts as indicated by AT LEAST 5 of the following:

1) a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2) preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.

3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4) requires excessive admiration

5) a sense of entitlement i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable4 treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.

6) is interpersonally exploitative i.e., takes advantage of other sto achieve his or her own ends.

7) lack of empathy: unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.

9) arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

My self-assessment as well as comments of supervisors, colleagues, clients and others who know me best:

Mother was poor white trash in Texas pulling cotton with blacks at age 6. Never let me evidence any hint of uppityness. Besides that, I've always imagined that washing Jesus' feet would be one of the most wonderful things. And absent Jesus, about anyone who Loved Him would be almost as good to serve.

We all appreciate admiration but it's not a huge issue at this point in my life. Have lived plenty without it and had plenty of it.

Most people who know me well characterize me as the MOST EMPATHETIC person they've ever met.

1) above--Not at all. For much of my life, much more the opposite. Now, pretty satisfied with who I am and what I've become. 3,000+ students in Taiwan and China characterized me as the most loving Westerner they'd ever met and many the most loving person they'd ever met, including considering their own parents. THAT'S PRETTY HUMBLING!

2) No. Lived around plenty of that hollow stuff beginning with our millionaire neighbor and his very miserable family life.

3) special--yeah--everyone is--and certainly I've been called a bird of rare plumage (to put 'strange' politely) all my life. No big deal at this point. Is awkward at times to fit in various groups.

4) No! Have an easy time of serving even enemies often enough.

5) No! Have met myself in painful mirrors often enough. I know that humanness at it's raw original best and worst is only fit for the dung heap of eternity. Only Christ's Blood and Spirit enable any of us to rise above the sewer in any respect.

6) No! More the opposite. Too easily let others exploit me too often. But I'd still rather take that stance than the opposite.

7) No! Empathy is a strong point.

8) No! Gave up wanting to be anyone else or have anyone else's stuff many decades ago.

9) No. Closest people assert quite otherwise about me.






ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER 301.7

A. Current age at least 18. Yeah. 57.

B. Evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15. No.

C. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by at least 3 of the following:

1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are gounds for arrest.

No. 1 speeding ticked on honeymoon across Southern California desert from Phoenix. 1 parking ticket. That's all.

2) irritabiltiy and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.

No. Tended to be chicken and ran from all but 2 fights and tried to one of those. When forced, would bend the fingers of opponent back until he gave up. All in teen years.

3) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.

No. Often been called too responsible.

4) Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

Not really. I prefer to be spontaneous. But have good planning skills and use them as needed for my priorities.

5) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

Not at all. Often been called overly transparent--even alarmingly so, to some.

6) reckless disregard for safety of self or others.

No. Overly cautious about safety, usually.

7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

DEFINITELY NOT AT ALL!

D. Occurence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a manic episode.

Not applicable.






The following is kindly offered by a wise stalwart of TM. I couldn't, in clear conscience own it verbatim as offered but as close to that as I could own, here it is:

1) don't recall where the clique reference arose, but it did not originate from me

2) apology is extended to any for any offense. It has never been a goal to offend. Sometimes, I've sought to prick a conscience for enlightenment--but really--never to offend. I consider even Shrillery to have been originally made in God's image. I strongly prefer to help people be more fulfilled, satisfied, overcoming, caring in their lives, relationships and communications. I hate rock throwing.

3) will post links as applicable to information for the thread as circumstances present themselves. I've currently changed addy's to get rid of a bunch of spam. Not sure when I'll start up a long list of newsletters again. Most of the contributions I might make of a doc sort come from those sources. Sometimes I might search the net for threat related stuff but usually, it's not my strength or priority.

Some of you may recall:

Some are great at Googling.

Some are great at analyzing.

Some are great at connecting dots.

Some are great at drawing from their military experiences and/or backgrounds.

Some are great at drawing from their cultural understandings.

Some are great at translating.

Some are great at supportive websites.

Some are great at interpreting.

Some are great at networking, connetcting, referring to proper authorities.

Some are great at praying.

Some are great at contributing from their hobbies and/or past work experiences and connections.

Some are great at pondering and asking good questions.

Some are great at connecting dots and themes and/or implications across a diversity of seemingly disconnected bodies of data and disciplines.

If a toe declares that it is king or queen or more valuable than a finger; if a hand insists that all be hands; . . .

Is that enhancing the whole?

4) sorry you feel the need to educate me regarding my posts; will attempt to shorten my posts and keep religious references to a minimum.

I don't quite know how to even imagine battering or cooperating with the efforts to batter me and my idiosyncracies into the TM POLITICALLY CORRECT form. Many times, it feels like and appears to be a terminal incompatibility. I periodically try real hard and routinely at least earnestly to conform as much as lies within me to perceived expectations.

I realize, no one and especially me is EVER going to please everyone hereon. But it seems like a real chore to avoid sending some folks into a screaming tirade merely at the sight of my name or whif of my breath 100 feet away. At some point, that has to be their problem.

However, I don't really like to even mildly annoy anyone but Shrillery et al. It grieves my spirit and wears me down more than I like to admit.

I don't know that I can persistently conform all posts to 1-3 per day of 2 well polished paragraphs only with links to 2-3 confirming sites. That's just rarely me.

When the message seems to be harshly, loudly, pointedly, haughtily: CONFORM STRICTLY AND NARROWLY to our expectations or terminally out of our faces . . . , I probably can't rise to that standard very well, very often. I've never fit anyone's tidy box. And I've almost died trying a few times. It just never works. It has never worked.

5) will keep your suggestions in mind and apply them to the best of my ability in keeping with my conscience and personhood.

5) back to work on the threat of terror facing us.






I DO NOT EXPECT TO RESPOND AT ALL TO ANY RESPONSES TO THE ABOVE, IN THIS THREAD.

I MAY NOT RESPOND EVEN IN PRIVATE MESSAGES.

Cheers. Happy and productive TMMMMING!

1,962 posted on 06/28/2004 10:38:56 AM MDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)


42 posted on 06/28/2004 10:13:52 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
Please, get over yourself.

psssst, it is against FR rules, not to mention very bad form, to take issues from one thread to another

43 posted on 06/28/2004 12:05:32 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Quix

There was an earthquake this morning in Illinois.
I checked with my friends in the area.
Everything ok, but they were surprised.


44 posted on 06/28/2004 2:14:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

And a 6.7 in Alaska where I have some other friends.


45 posted on 06/28/2004 3:03:10 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
hey i dont know about whats happened in your posting past, but i admire your attempt to be honest here. i dont see anything to purposely offend anyone, however i read another's trying to "bait" you, (thats the best way to describe it for now, anyway).

i dont understand alot of the posts here so i s'pose theres some history im unaware of....no matter, i admire a whole lot of the posters here at FR for their wit, insight, and character. i seem to always learn something! FR is pretty much the major site for me on the internet....definitely in terms of time. its a news source/meetingplace/community. im honored to be a small part of it.

46 posted on 06/28/2004 6:54:36 PM PDT by 1john2 3and4 (the left is hatriotic)
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To: 1john2 3and4

THANKS TONS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

I agree with you.

Certainly FR is a major part of my day and my extensive computing time.

I also love your Screen name. A favorite part of The Book for me.

Please feel free to communicate, exhort or whatever seems fitting.

Blessings,


47 posted on 06/28/2004 7:34:13 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
youre welcome & thank you.....i'll be dropping in from time to time....i was thinking about your title re: threats.....what if one thinks the threats are probable? you know, sorta like the old joke about paranoia.... :)

if you get time later, id like to read your thoughts about some specific verses. Ezekiel 4: 5&6, and Numbers 14: 34. God bless.

48 posted on 06/29/2004 5:45:28 AM PDT by 1john2 3and4 (the left is hatriotic)
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To: Quix; null and void; Calpernia; Domestic Church

FYI

Asteroid 2004 MC To pass Or maybe Hit Early tommarow

Asteroid 2004 MC within VERY close Proxemity to earth

see for yourself

Possible hit?

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/images/test345.gif


49 posted on 06/29/2004 8:02:44 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: Quix

Found this on another board. What do you think?

Bible prophecy Daniel : Iraqi then IRAN???

These below scriptures talk about events occuring at the end right? For those not believing in the Bible or religion, at
least hear me out, or dont..up to you. In Daniel and in Habbabkuk specifically it mentions a war at the end.
I have covered Hab in detail in other posts, pointing out that America may well be the modern day Daughter of
Babylon , also called the Chaladeans and they embark on a war in the mid east and take a huge spoil there scoffing
at all who stand in their way. This post is for your opinon on Daniel :

Daniel 8: 3, 4, 5. "And I saw him come close unto the RAM, and HE was MOVED with CHOLER against him,
and smote the RAM, and BRAKE his two horns; and there was no power in the RAM to stand before him,
but he cast him down to the ground,and stamped upon him; and there was none that could deliver the RAM out of HIS hand

Therefore the HE-GOAT waxed very great; AND WHEN HE WAS STRONG, THE GREAT HORN WAS BROKEN; AND IN ITS PLACE FOUR PROMINENT
HORNS GREW UP TOWARD THE FOUR WINDS OF HEAVEN.

This is about Persia right?? The Goat comes from the WEST right?? We've already seen Iraqi being invaded,
but thats just ONE part of Persia, because Iraqi and Iran were Persia. So IF Daniel and Habb is about this time
right now, and Americas War in the Mid East applies, then AMERICA WILL ATTACK IRAN NEXT. IRAN is the next target.
Because the He Goat breaks 2. First Iraqi then IRAN. After which something happens to or in America that removes
it from being as powerful as it was and is now.

My ideas are:

1) Something will happen in America, before they invade another nation, some terrorist attack of some sort that will
get America in MARSHALL LAW and get the troops marching off again to Mid East.

2) America has defeated Iraqi AND will DEFEAT IRAN with no problem. They will win these wars. Now I dont know if its
just Iran and thats it or if the Chaldeans invade more Mid East countrys BUT either way ALL the wars America fights in Mid East
they WIN.

3)The last great victory of America is the final war they win in Mid East. Very soon after there victories in Mid East
America loses ALOT of its power. Something happens, they get invaded, or other nation strike against America. This may
sound INSANE but think it through, another attack on USA soil, Americans go NUT BOWLING CRAZY with anger and plan to
fight AGAIN in Mid East. The law has been passed they dont even need a reason to attack Iran by the way! But this time
the world has little sympathy for America. citing that it was the Iraqi war that caused them their new attacks. America
will flip the world the bird and do what it wants. All military operations in Mid East will be success, BUT while they
are sending their young stoned torturers offshore, Russia and their Islamic allies will attack America and remove her
from being as mighty as she is now. With the way the world is now, if America attacks another nation as it did Iraqi there will
be either a public or secret colation of states that will get together and plan to deal with America, because she will
be seen as the greatest threat.


If you read Daniel and Hab...how much closer could it be to being fullfilled than what America is doing in Mid East??
Is this NOT A MAJOR RELGIOUS CONSPIRACY?? That the bible is being PROVEN and its PROPHECIES fullfilled right before our eyes
yet WE KNOW NOT???


50 posted on 06/29/2004 8:07:59 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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