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Origin of the Species, From an Alien View: WHERE did humankind come from? [ Sitchin ]
New York Times ^ | January 8, 2010 | Corey Kilgannon

Posted on 01/13/2010 3:22:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv

If you're going to ask Zecharia Sitchin, be ready for a "Planet of the Apes" scenario: spaceships and hieroglyphics, genetic mutations and mutinous space aliens in gold mines. It sounds like science fiction, but Mr. Sitchin is sure this is how it all went down hundreds of thousands of years ago in Mesopotamia. Humans were genetically engineered by extraterrestrials, he said, pointing to ancient texts to prove it... He is an apparently sane, sharp, University of London-educated 89-year-old who has spent his life arguing that people evolved with a little genetic intervention from ancient astronauts who came to Earth and needed laborers to mine gold to bring back to Nibiru, a planet we have yet to recognize... "Well, you could start by calling me the most controversial 89-year-old man in New York," Mr. Sitchin says. "Or you could just say I write books. I understand you've got to have an opening sentence, but describing my theories in a sentence, or even something like a newspaper article, is impossible. It will make me look silly." ...His 13 books, with names like "Genesis Revisited" and "The Earth Chronicles," have sold millions of copies and been translated into 25 languages. "And Albanian is coming," he notes, spooning the Taster's Choice into two mugs... He says the aliens' cities were washed away in a great flood 30,000 years ago, after which they began passing on their knowledge to humans. He showed a photograph of a woodcarving from 7,000 B.C. of a large man handing over a plow to a smaller man: Ah, the passing on of agricultural knowledge. Anyway, he said, the Nibiru-ites finally jetted home in their spacecraft, around 550 B.C.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; nibiru; stringtheory; xplanets; zechariasitchin
To Zecharia Sitchin, a carving from 7,000 B.C. represents an alien passing a plow, and agricultural wisdom, to humanity. [Chester Higgins Jr./The New York Times]

Origin of the Species, From an Alien View
Zecharia Sitchin site:freerepublic.com
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1 posted on 01/13/2010 3:22:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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Thanks Palter. All, see Michael S Heiser's 'Sitchin Is Wrong' website.
 
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2 posted on 01/13/2010 3:27:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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3 posted on 01/13/2010 3:28:44 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv
So if aliens come back , is it appropriate for humans to engage in relations with them ? How will you know if the lizard that seems to want to get along with you is one of the ugly ones ? We have all been there . Does anyone see a chance to make a buck out of this , besides these crazy books ?
4 posted on 01/13/2010 3:35:44 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: SunkenCiv

Evolutionists have no more evidence that any species evolved exclusively on this planet than there is evidence for life to have been engineered or delivered by extraterrestrials.

In fact, the evidence is quite the contrary. The earth did not come from itself, it also came from somewhere else and life as a consequence came from somewhere else. Who or what it came from is another question.


5 posted on 01/13/2010 3:52:36 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: SunkenCiv
Did the Russians just launch a probe at Nibiru?


6 posted on 01/13/2010 4:02:47 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: SunkenCiv

Poor “scientists.” Spending a whole life doing research and never getting recognition. As they get older they feel the desperate need for recognition - a book, a prize, something that makes everyone recognize their name.
The desperation is so great that they will even go so far as to concoct a wacky idea and start believing it.


7 posted on 01/13/2010 4:18:07 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve read all of Sitchin’s writings. Very fascinating ideas, and much fun to read. A compelling series of books. Any truth to it? Extremely doubtful, but I’ll keep an open mind about it.


8 posted on 01/13/2010 4:48:10 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: SunkenCiv
This is the guy who wrote “The Twelfth Planet” about the time Von Daniken was pedaling his crap.
9 posted on 01/13/2010 4:49:00 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: kbennkc

I heard you csn’t tell their gender until you get them naked.

Never want to go there!


10 posted on 01/13/2010 4:54:02 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: SunkenCiv; Swordmaker; metmom; GodGunsGuts
He is an apparently sane, sharp, University of London-educated 89-year-old who has spent his life arguing that people evolved with a little genetic intervention from ancient astronauts who came to Earth and needed laborers to mine gold to bring back to Nibiru, a planet we have yet to recognize...

A few comments...

One is that any sort of an ancient astronaut thesis just kicks the can a bit further down the road as far as any sort of creation/evolution question goes; the ancient astronauts could no more have evolved from lucky slime or dust than we could have.

Two is that any sort of space travel which might have been going on in our system in antediluvian times would have been within our own system and that goes more than triple or quadruple for any sort of space travel motivated by a search for minerals. The cost of traveling even to the nearest star would so totally dwarf the value of anything you might hope to mine there as to make the idea laughable. That applies to the plot of "Avatar" as well.

A series of catastrophes culminating in the flood and the later events involving Venus and Mars separates us from most knowledge of antediluvian realities. People living in our system prior to that would have seen the **** storm coming and would not have had a way to know if anything at all in this system was going to remain habitable. Some of them would almost certainly have tried to get out and we may yet find their descendants amongst the near stars when we get there, but that's likely still a hundred years off.

There is a claim that the remains of at least one such Noah's ark type starship was found by the last couple of Apollo missions. Do your own google and/or youtube searches if interested. Search on 'alien spaceship' or 'apollo 20'.

Again, we know about Mars and one or two other bodies in our system which also show evidence of prior habitation while getting to or from other stars is still almost unimaginably daunting. Sitchin's ancient astronauts almost certainly came from inside our own system, and not outside of it.

There are certain things we can know about antediluvian life and much of the rest of it is conjecture. My own conjecture as to the prehistory of this planet would be that it once was a zoo-park of some sort with large and dangerous animals, and then for whatever reason and possibly on more than one occasion either was deliberately re-settled with creatures closer to what we see now or had such creatures dumped here via catastrophic events and near misses with other bodies. The fossil record in fact shows new groups of animals replacing old groups on several distinct occasions. That could plausibly be explained by splash saltations in which creatures from one or more other bodies simply got dumped into our owjn shallow seas and then waded or swam ashore.

11 posted on 01/13/2010 6:18:53 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s all in the Book of Enoch, which predates Genesis and was retrieved from Ethiopian Copts who had an oral tradition which included this book. It talks of giant angels who came to live among the normal humans, but I don’t think they used the name humans in the scripture : )


12 posted on 01/13/2010 7:15:52 AM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: SunkenCiv

I think Stichin is a tool of the evil one.

However, for what . . . at least 3.5-7 years or so . . . the globalists will be spouting such stuff from every tower and antenna available.

It’s the only perspective that I’m aware of that so well fits the Biblical

GREAT DECEPTION OF THE END TIMES.


13 posted on 01/13/2010 7:16:07 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
GREAT DECEPTION OF THE END TIMES.

I think that the theory of evolution (one species evolves into another) is the great deception. Even though I don't believe in Sitchin's theories, I can believe him easier than I can in evolution. (I do believe in natural selection, but one species does not change into another).

14 posted on 01/13/2010 8:31:12 AM PST by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: A. Patriot

I believe you will think differently in however many more months . . . about what THE GREAT DECEPTION IS.

Evolution is going to be lain aside by the oligarchy in favor of a version of the sort of thing Stichin contends . . . with the critters/fallen angels/ET’s supporting such with great coercions and purportedly historic 3D holographic videos.


15 posted on 01/13/2010 9:54:25 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SunkenCiv
Huh. I guess this explains my cravings for Nibiruvian food.
16 posted on 01/13/2010 10:03:18 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Fractal Trader

Just for the record, I think you’d have a hard time proving The Book of Enoch predates Genesis. Enoch properly belongs to a class of writing known as “pseudepigrapha” meaning it is a work that has a famous name attached to it but no actual evidence that they are the author. That being said, it is an interesting read. There is even a short quote in the Epistle of Jude in the New Testament.


17 posted on 01/13/2010 10:13:28 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: D_Idaho

I don’t have the exact details at hand, but I think the basic argument is that, since the Book of Enoch is referenced in Genesis, it must predate it.


18 posted on 01/13/2010 10:30:38 AM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader
Trader- I'm not aware of a reference to the Book of Enoch in Genesis, only the pre-flood patriarch. Can you provide the reference?
19 posted on 01/13/2010 10:39:24 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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You guys are close to having it. There is no ancient astronaut theory which can salvage evoloserism; you’d need quadrillions of years even if evolution were possible which it isn’t. Wherever life as we know it arose, it was created and did not evolve.


20 posted on 01/13/2010 11:01:55 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU ON THAT SCORE.


21 posted on 01/13/2010 11:09:43 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Evolution is going to be lain aside by the oligarchy in favor of a version of the sort of thing Stichin contends . . . with the critters/fallen angels/ET’s supporting such with great coercions and purportedly historic 3D holographic videos.

We should all be on guard. I don't think they can manufacture truly believable evidence, though. I'm not from Missouri, but they are going to have to SHOW ME!

22 posted on 01/13/2010 12:05:51 PM PST by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: A. Patriot

They have had many thousands of years to work on the props and special effects.


23 posted on 01/13/2010 1:57:11 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kbennkc

I think rule number one in such a pass would be, don’t “be there” with a lizard, no matter how non-ugly she looks. “Yes” will just be the booze talking.


24 posted on 01/13/2010 4:04:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: HospiceNurse

“The Twelfth Planet” came along almost ten years after “Chariots of the Gods”, but there are obvious parallels between ‘em.


25 posted on 01/13/2010 4:05:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: colorado tanker

My only problem with it is, the buffet has just two temperatures — molten lava level, and near-absolute-zero.


26 posted on 01/13/2010 4:06:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: wendy1946

There was no Apollo 20. The last Apollo mission was number 17. There’s no sign of any construction or ruins on Mars, although one or two people apparently have made some money claiming there is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2419641/posts?page=37#37


27 posted on 01/13/2010 4:08:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv
A Niburuvian taco:


28 posted on 01/13/2010 4:31:52 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Francis Crick (co-discover of DNA), after seeing how DNA worked, realized it didn’t evolve according to Darwin’s theory. He surmised that an intellegent being created it as a seed for life. An alien being that sent it out into space. (Of course, if you don’t believe in God, I guess you are left with aliens firing rockets with globs of DNA in them as your theory).


29 posted on 01/13/2010 4:41:22 PM PST by 21twelve
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30 posted on 01/13/2010 5:13:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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Hey, I’m sure Nibiru has launched a probe at the Russians, so they had it comin’.


31 posted on 01/13/2010 5:14:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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Can't believe I didn't notice the obvious connection to this list. :') Everyone needs a little cheering up once in a while.
 
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32 posted on 01/13/2010 5:15:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It seems clear here that a number of posters should have taken a couple geology and paleontology courses in school before posting.

And yes, I do believe in God.

Thanks for the ping...I think.


33 posted on 01/13/2010 5:30:31 PM PST by onedoug (SARAH!)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL


34 posted on 01/13/2010 5:34:27 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: SunkenCiv

The “theory” proposed was preposterous. Daniken was proven to have manufactured evidence. The 12th planet theory was worse. It was impossible.


35 posted on 01/14/2010 1:29:35 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Evolutionists have no more evidence that any species evolved exclusively on this planet than there is evidence for life to have been engineered or delivered by extraterrestrials."

Let's see if I can correct your logic here.

Evolutionists have no more evidence that any species evolved exclusively on this planet. than There is NO evidence for life to have been engineered or delivered by extraterrestrials.

Now doesn't that sound much better? ;-)

36 posted on 01/14/2010 3:23:47 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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