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Rethinking Einstein: The end of space-time
NewScientist ^ | 8/9/10 | Anil Ananthaswamy

Posted on 08/09/2010 7:25:58 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Physicists struggling to reconcile gravity with quantum mechanics have hailed a theory – inspired by pencil lead – that could make it all very simple

IT WAS a speech that changed the way we think of space and time. The year was 1908, and the German mathematician Hermann Minkowski had been trying to make sense of Albert Einstein's hot new idea - what we now know as special relativity - describing how things shrink as they move faster and time becomes distorted. "Henceforth space by itself and time by itself are doomed to fade into the mere shadows," Minkowski proclaimed, "and only a union of the two will preserve an independent reality."

And so space-time - the malleable fabric whose geometry can be changed by the gravity of stars, planets and matter - was born. It is a concept that has served us well, but if physicist Petr Horava is right, it may be no more than a mirage. Horava, who is at the University of California, Berkeley, wants to rip this fabric apart and set time and space free from one another in order to come up with a unified theory that reconciles the disparate worlds of quantum mechanics and gravity - one the most pressing challenges to modern physics.

Since Horava published his work in January 2009, it has received an astonishing amount of attention. Already, more than 250 papers have been written about it. Some researchers have started using it to explain away the twin cosmological mysteries of dark matter and dark energy. Others are finding that black holes might not behave as we thought. If Horava's idea is right, it could forever change our conception of space and time and lead us to a "theory of everything", applicable to all matter and the forces that act on...

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: anilananthaswamy; einstein; electrogravitics; gravity; horava; mechanics; physics; quantum; science; space; stringtheory; time
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To: LibWhacker
...things shrink as they move faster.

Are there any Purdue grads on this thread? Doesn't mass increase with speed?

21 posted on 08/09/2010 8:41:56 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: mainsail that

LOL Clear as a bell except for that last term in the Effective Lagrangian. ;)


22 posted on 08/09/2010 8:45:13 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
Personally I like it since it is testable, a feature that seems to be lacking in ST.

Agreed. It also sounds easier to understand than String Theory. It always bothered me that String Theory does not seem to be teachable in a conceptual way, to the layman, in the way Special and General Relativity can be. I can't get my head around ST at all. But the thought experiments Einstein used to explain Relativity are not too difficult to grasp and kind of fun.

23 posted on 08/09/2010 9:06:12 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy (Gen 15:16 The iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.)
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To: LibWhacker
If it will finally rid us of the pseudo-science of Silly String Theory, I'm all for it.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

24 posted on 08/09/2010 9:18:54 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: mikrofon

That one is always a real knee slapper.


25 posted on 08/09/2010 10:15:44 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: LibWhacker

ping


26 posted on 08/09/2010 10:34:05 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: stefanbatory; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
thanks stefanbatory!


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27 posted on 08/09/2010 4:11:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: IamConservative

Take a boson and call me in the morning.


28 posted on 08/09/2010 4:27:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: mikrofon; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
"C" is 'the law' because we are constructed in such a way that we and our current scaled universe are limited by linear time. Thus the photon, which exists in the present only, is able to transmit to our sensory apparatus the present of whatever we sense or our instruments sense. [You sense nothing in the actual present of the event, but you have a 'thing' which transmits the present of the event to your sensory apparatus, yet upon arrival of the data, the event is already a past occurence. ]

Our universe exists int he planar present as now expressed, and entire of creation exists in the volume of time. There are strong clues that the limits we endure are not a hindrance to certain beings, like Jesus who left the tomb without rolling away a heavy stone and entered a closed room without using a door or window, just materialized there and vanished from there. [Also, see fifth chapter of Daniel, for another interesting hint at the 'volume of time' and a being who reached from that where/when into the where/when of a Babylonian king and his party animals.]

29 posted on 08/09/2010 4:34:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: mainsail that

That made my brain hurt.


30 posted on 08/09/2010 4:41:05 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
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To: LibWhacker

Interesting comments by Julian Mann at the end of the article.


31 posted on 08/09/2010 5:00:15 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: cripplecreek

OK smartie, now you have to explain the article to me!


32 posted on 08/09/2010 5:16:08 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: mikrofon

OK, that’s funny AND I got it. :)


33 posted on 08/09/2010 5:21:45 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: mikrofon

“I was going to attend the clairvoyant’s meeting, but it was canceled due to unforeseen events.”


34 posted on 08/09/2010 6:49:34 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: MHGinTN

Great Post.

Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


35 posted on 08/09/2010 6:52:40 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: LibWhacker
"removed Lorentz symmetry"

Why is that a valid thing to do? Seems whimsical, like a theory based on Alice in Wonderland.

36 posted on 08/09/2010 7:10:22 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: samtheman

I wonder what the very last comment said (Zotted).


37 posted on 08/09/2010 7:12:51 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


38 posted on 08/09/2010 9:04:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LibWhacker

I’ve been saying for a long time that relativity needs to be revisited. Here are some of the articles I’ve posted on FR.

Rethinking relativity: Is time out of joint?
Monday, November 02, 2009 9:29:43 PM · by Kevmo · 58 replies · 2,519+ views
New Scientist ^ | 21 October 2009 | Rachel Courtland

Re-Analysis of the Marinov Light-Speed Anisotropy Experiment
Friday, June 12, 2009 11:25:41 PM · by Kevmo · 27 replies · 1,652+ views
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0612/0612201v2.pdf ^ | Reginald T. Cahill

The Suppression of Inconvenient Facts in Physics
Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:50:26 PM · by Kevmo · 80 replies · 2,374+ views
Suppressed Science.Net ^ | 12/06/08 | http://www.suppressedscience.net/

The End of Snide Remarks Against Cold Fusion
Friday, June 05, 2009 5:56:08 PM · by Kevmo · 96 replies · 2,393+ views
Free Republic, Gravitronics.net and Intrade ^ | 6/5/09 | kevmo, et al

SubQuantum Kinetics, wide ranging unifying cosmology theory by Dr. Paul LaViolette
Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:00:43 PM · by Kevmo · 68 replies · 1,785+ views
THE STARBURST FOUNDATION ^ | January 2007 | Dr. Paul LaViolette


39 posted on 08/09/2010 11:38:51 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: Mr. Lucky
(sorry for the day late reply)

*** Are there any Purdue grads on this thread? Doesn't mass increase with speed? ***

Yes it does.
Another tiny stumbling block in 'us' ever achieving travel at or near Light Speed .

And no I didn't go to Purdue, but I know someone who did :-)

40 posted on 08/10/2010 3:35:48 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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