Skip to comments.Into the mind of a Neanderthal
Posted on 01/21/2012 5:48:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv
Palaeoanthropologists now know a great deal about these ice-age Europeans who flourished between 200,000 and 30,000 years ago. We know, for example, that Neanderthals shared about 99.84 per cent of their DNA with us, and that we and they evolved separately for several hundred thousand years. We also know Neanderthal brains were a bit larger than ours and were shaped a bit differently. And we know where they lived, what they ate and how they got it.
Skeletal evidence shows that Neanderthal men, women and children led very strenuous lives, preoccupied with hunting large mammals. They often made tactical use of terrain features to gain as much advantage as possible, but administered the coup de grace with thrusting spears. Based on their choice of stone for tools, we know they almost never travelled outside small home territories that were rarely over 1000 square kilometres.
The Neanderthal style of hunting often resulted in injuries, and the victims were often nursed back to health by others. But few would have survived serious lower body injuries, since individuals who could not walk might well have been abandoned. It looks as if Neanderthals had well-developed way-finding and tactical abilities, and empathy for group members, but also that they made pragmatic decisions when necessary.
Looking closely at the choices Neanderthals made when they manufactured and used tools shows that they organised their technical activities much as artisans, such as blacksmiths, organise their production. Like blacksmiths, they relied on "expert" cognition, a form of observational learning and practice acquired through apprenticeship that relies heavily on long-term procedural memory.
(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...
No, you’re guessing with a tiny bit of evidence.
...we know they almost never travelled outside small home territories that were rarely over 1000 square kilometres.It used to be "known" that they didn't eat fish at all, but during the past two years all of a sudden, "fish was an important part of the Neandertal diet". It's very, very important to some people to deny that Neandertal is ancestral to much of the modern world, and this article is written by someone who does that, right after pointing out how very similar Neandertal behavior was to ours.
The wheel was invented the first time someone saw a rock roll down a hill...but alas, the observer was killed in the landslide so it wasn't until his 8th cousin, 23 times removed saw the same thing and lived to invent the wheel.
His younger brother invented the unicycle, left his wife and went off to do the hot blonde in cave No. 37.
The hot blonde stole the unicycle and went off to Cave No. 28 where the priest lived and confessed her sin. For her penance, she had to donate the unicycle to the church and the priest enjoyed his Sunday rides.
You probably think this is all made up but we have the unicyle at our little museum in the Village. Hoe's that for evidence!!
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Erratum: in addition to author Thomas Wynn, the article was also authored by Frederick L. Coolidge.
The Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
by James Shreeve
in local libraries
“The Neanderthal style of hunting often resulted in injuries, and the victims were often nursed back to health by others. But few would have survived serious lower body injuries, since individuals who could not walk might well have been abandoned. It looks as if Neanderthals had well-developed way-finding and tactical abilities, and empathy for group members, but also that they made pragmatic decisions when necessary.”
Obama-Romney care in Bedrock.
The genetic difference between us is inconsequential and I believe there is a tendency to MAGNIFY the differences between us by some scholars.
Also typical of the Neanderthal behavior was a willingness to employ the teachings of Karl Marx over and over again, despite the evidence that over and over, villages would decay and vanish after implementing Marx's systems.
Sorry, couldn't resist :)
“Obama-Romney care in Bedrock.”
I doubt there will be much empathy for group members in government health control.
Ah, yes, the stereotype of the Neanderthal bigot!!!!
They actually spent time wondering if neanderthals had a sense of humor?
“We don’t have doors.”
They were angry people.
You mean they examined a FREEREPER....!
You mean they examined a FREEREPER....!
Speaking of pi ... I have an historical/cultural question. The ancients, of course, made a big deal out of pi, and several different cultures figured it out, apparently independently, to a surprising number of decimal places. My question is, what interested them in pi to begin with? Early mathematics arose mostly in the context of practical problem solving, and it's fairly easy to see why various calculations were developed. But what about pi? Am I overlooking some obvious Bronze Age problem that would have drawn attention to that particular ratio?
“Am I overlooking some obvious Bronze Age problem that would have drawn attention to that particular ratio? “
They needed it to figure out the area of the crop circles the ancient astronauts left when their ships landed to teach primitive man how to levitate giant stone blocks to build large structures.
I’m not sure how you hunt large animals - meaning bigger than deer - with spears, when your living group is five to ten people. That means two or three men at most. Maybe one man and a boy.
If you start sending women up against bison with a spear, your group isn’t going to have enough babies to sustain itself. If you lose one man, your group faces starvation.
That has always upset me. I'm still sick about it.
Fencing? Knowing how many trees to cut down, etc. to enclose the land?
Sundials? Making ‘em small, and big for the EEEvil 1%?
Maybe they were inspired to find this ratio by observing a full moon?
Man invernted not just the wheel, but the also the pole required to make use of the new found technology.
I do like SoCalPubbie's speculation, but on reflection, there's an obvious problem. If the aliens taught the ancients to levitate rocks to build large structures, they would risk the power of pi being turned on themselves, with large rocks and even astroids being hurled intergallactically to smash the home plant. This is presumably how the Bugs did it in Starship Troopers -- is there a more plausible explanation? -- and since the aliens had undoubtedly time-travelled, we must assume they'd seen the movie and would know better than to incur that risk. So as attractive as your theory is, I'm still open for additional explanations.
The ancients had their fair share of Einsteins. I don't know how the uber-brilliant think, but perhaps such questions just occur naturally to them as they sit around fires poking at the coals with a stick: "H'm. The ratio of the circumference of a circle to the diameter. That's an interesting question. I wonder if I could figure it out, and without algebra and decimal notation. That would be way cool." If you are smart enough, maybe you really think that way. But I'm still looking for a more mundane theory.
The interesting thing not mentioned here is that Black Africans are the only major group in the world that supposedly does not carry Neanderthal genes. This may sound racist, but since Africa is the most backward continent, contrary to the author’s conclusion, perhaps the Neanderthals bestowed a higher intelligence on us. They did have bigger brains.
You made my day. My son is in advertising. I sent it to him!!
“My question is, what interested them in pi to begin with?”
Had to do with hat sizes.
***No, youre guessing with a tiny bit of evidence.***
I have read that the one item never found in a Neanderthal site is a bone needle. As a result some say they were covered with a coat of hair.
I’ve seen a few people who would almost fit their description.
****Obama-Romney care in Bedrock.****
Then there is that little problem with cannibalism of the dead, or was that Homo Erectus.
This is all a good story, but in reality all that matters in the world is if Newt asked for an open marriage.
When I saw the title, I thought it was going to be a slur on the Tea Party.
"Competing" is an euphemism. Human evolution is driven by tribal warfare. We didn't out-hunt the Neanderthals, we killed them off. Mainstream anthroplogists avoid that subject like the plague.
There is little evidence the Neanderthals were religious, while the modern humans were. That doomed the Neanderthals because religion provides a significant competitive advantage in tribal warfare. Mainstream anthropologists have selective hearing on that subject also.
Sometimes the application of new technology, such as the invention of the wheel takes a long time to be fully appreciated.
The face in #1 looks sort of like Mel Brooks.
Neandertal didn’t go extinct, Neandertal has over a billion living ancestors.
Strange how your post contained so many imaginary things as if they were facts.
Kinda like evolution and global warming. There are always at least two sides to a story and usually many more. I can’t remember the guy on the radio that had a book out on his dental observations. You can do your fact check on the PBS show quite easily.
If geneticists are to be believed, we shared 100 percent of our DNA with some of their women!
Triangles and angles...all related to PI. You have to know PI to calculate angles. If you start starring at the sky and and try to navigate by them, everything turns into angles. If you try to build anything, you run into angles everywhere.
In other words EVERYTHING REQUIRES PI! You aren’t much into math are ya?
There’s dental evidence that Europeans are descended from Neandertal (posted above). Your statement that Neandertals were not human is nonsense.
Just remember that Pi are round...cornbread are square.
How old do you think the “science” behind a structure like Stonehenge is?
Examples of henges made of wood have been found not only in Europe but along the east coast of the United States. Is this knowledge of the Sun and Moon only 30,000 years at its oldest, or is it very ancient and even known by the Neanderthal people. The reason I bring it up is that henges are based on a circle, and knowing the degrees along the edge of a circle would be important to determing seasons, moon phases, and lunar/solar eclipses.
Ancient peoples may have had sophisticated mathematics because they were observant of how the natural world around them moved, and wasn’t static.
Archaeologists consider any primate that came down out of a tree and walks upright on two legs as human. That takes in a lot of monkeys. Thinking monkeys are human is nonsense to me. Humans to me are Homo Sapien Sapien, the thinking man.
Homo Sapien Sapien? Never heard of that one.
That is a term for modern man, Humans if you wish.
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