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A Neanderthal trove in Madrid
el Pais ^ | September 23, 2012 | Alicia Rivera Pinilla del Valle

Posted on 10/05/2012 5:25:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The Lozoya River Valley, in the Madrid mountain range of Guadarrama, could easily be called "Neanderthal Valley," says the paleontologist Juan Luis Arsuaga.

"It is protected by two strings of mountains, it is rich in fauna, it is a privileged spot from an environmental viewpoint, and it is ideal for the Neanderthal, given that it provided the[m] with good hunting grounds."

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"There are around 15 sites in Spain: in the Cantabrian mountain range, along the eastern Mediterranean coast and in Andalusia, but none on the plateau, where there are no limestone formations and no adequate caves to preserve human remains for thousands of years," adds Arsuaga. But Pinilla del Valle is an exception to the rule. "There is limestone here. It was like a cap made of stone under which the Neanderthal presumably took refuge to prepare for the hunt, to craft their tools, to eat... It's not that they lived inside in the sense of a home; they wandered in the fields, and this was probably more like a base camp to take refuge when they needed to."

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It was on the floor of Des-Cubierta that the Neanderthal must have placed the dead body of a small child aged two-and-a-half to three years old. They placed two slabs of stone and an aurochs horn on top, and set the body on fire... "Complete burials, with a clear structure that allows [researchers] to reconstruct behaviors, is a very rare thing in any part of the world,"...

"We are convinced that it was an intentional deposition of the girl's body; perhaps there were more burials at Neanderthal sites but they were not recognized as such," ...

The fact is, the Neanderthal took care of their dead... Traces of them have also been found in France and Israel.

(Excerpt) Read more at elpais.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; spain
Teams of up to 70 people are working on the digs at the Lozoya River Valley.

A Neanderthal trove in Madrid

1 posted on 10/05/2012 5:26:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Michael Moore moved to Madrid???

;-)


2 posted on 10/05/2012 5:33:12 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Really Real Housewife)
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
"Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

3 posted on 10/05/2012 5:33:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Ernest.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 5:34:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Hey Sunkie, YOU ROCK!!


5 posted on 10/05/2012 5:37:33 PM PDT by EggsAckley ("There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!")
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

:’)


6 posted on 10/05/2012 5:47:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: EggsAckley; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks EA. Y’know, I thanked Ernest, which means I pasted the wrong ping message into this topic. Ooops.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 5:48:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

“... they wandered in the fields, and this was probably more like a base camp to have orgies with humans when they needed to.”

(You’re a good sport. I enjoy these posts and just have to reply some times! )


8 posted on 10/05/2012 5:49:25 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Helen Thomas pic in 3-2-1


9 posted on 10/05/2012 5:51:27 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Neanderthal Valley" is redundant, in the sense that the German word Neanderthal means "Neander Valley."

But then again, I refer to New Mexico as Nueva Nueva España.

10 posted on 10/05/2012 5:54:49 PM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Erasmus
"Neanderthal Valley" is redundant

Just like the "The Los Angeles Angels".

11 posted on 10/05/2012 5:58:41 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Erasmus

And don’t forget the Big River River in Nueva Nueva España.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 6:24:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“They wandered in the fields”....sounds like the first baseball team I coached. The Shortstop would come up and talk to the pitcher. The First Baseman was chasing butterflies. The Second and Third Basemen were building sand castles.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 6:26:18 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow....a Neanderthal trove.......they could bake bread......was it a self-cleaning trove?


14 posted on 10/05/2012 6:29:19 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Erasmus
It's an old habit in Spain. The Romans called the city now known as Cartagena Carthago Nova. New Carthage. But "Carthago" means "New City" so Carthago Nova is "New New City."

Too bad the Spanish conquistadores did not name the city in Colombia "Nueva Cartagena."

15 posted on 10/05/2012 7:22:02 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: mrsmith; central_va; Erasmus; blueunicorn6

:’)


16 posted on 10/05/2012 7:53:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
(I'm being serious here)

Cave dwelling is a long tradition in Spain. In the city of Granada, and perhaps a few others, there are still people living, by choice, in caves that contain the amenities of modern life.
It is even a 'tourist' attraction in some areas.

I do doubt these people are 'Neanderthalian' in their lineage.
(yes, I just made that word up)
17 posted on 10/06/2012 12:16:57 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan

;’)


18 posted on 10/06/2012 1:34:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Lozoya River Valley, in the Madrid mountain range of Guadarrama, could easily be called "Neanderthal Valley,"

19 posted on 10/06/2012 3:43:54 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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sidebar: That “Babylon 5” hairstyle is somewhat new — that guy was coiffed normally when he appeared in that “Is There A Stargate?” extra feature on the DVD release of the movie “Stargate”.


20 posted on 10/06/2012 4:58:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The Lozoya River Valley, in the Madrid mountain range of Guadarrama, could easily be called "Neanderthal Valley,..."

Thal (pronounced tal - silent h) means valley. So, he's saying it's should be called Neander valley valley.

21 posted on 10/06/2012 7:12:57 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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