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Study Reveals More Clues to Origins of Domesticated Dog
Popular Archaeology ^ | Thursday, November 14, 2013 | Science

Posted on 11/17/2013 4:22:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv

...based on a recently completed study, Olaf Thalmann of the University of Turku, Finland, and colleagues are suggesting that Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers in Europe as much as 32,000 years ago may have played a significant role in the process. To come to this conclusion, Thalmann and his team compared mitochondrial DNA from a broad range of modern-day dog and wolf breeds to mitochondrial DNA from canine fossils dated to 19,000-32,000 years ago, as well as fossils from modern canines. Their analysis showed that modern dogs’ genetic sequences most closely matched those of either ancient European canines, including wolves, or modern European dogs, but did not closely match DNA from canines outside of Europe. According to the researchers, this suggests a European origin, and, as only hunter-gatherer populations were present during this period, a domestication that predates the advent of agriculture.

It has been previously thought that fields and crops attracted wolves to villages, leading to interactions with humans that eventually resulted in a cooperative or symbiotic relationship. Human intervention in canine evolution thus produced the variety of modern dog breeds commonly seen today in homes and dog parks throughout the world. But this study, along with clues from other research and excavations, pushes the origins back further to the Palaeolithic Age, when wild wolves may have been drawn to hunter-gatherers, the researchers suggest, because they could feed on carcasses the hunters left behind.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Pets/Animals; Science
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; catastrophism; dietandcuisine; domestication; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers
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To: Vermont Lt


21 posted on 11/18/2013 4:41:58 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Vermont Lt

He’s far more likely to “present” to your German Shepard (assuming the dog is male)

22 posted on 11/18/2013 5:44:13 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Except that hypothesis A makes no sense for a number of reasons and would have occurred tens of thousands of years (using standard archaeological timelines) after the known origin of canine domestication.

I know that this is the first time Ive heard it and I don't think anyone seriously believes it. I suspect a confused writer.

23 posted on 11/18/2013 10:13:42 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Dixie Dingo
24 posted on 11/18/2013 1:44:17 PM PST by blam
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To: John O

She is a beautiful bitch. So the only interest he might have would be culinary.

25 posted on 11/18/2013 2:18:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I would love to see our pansie president try to eat my German Shepard.

I would really, really love to see your German Shepard try to eat him!

26 posted on 11/19/2013 11:11:01 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

No harm done. :’)

The BP is related to radiocarbon dating. To make it a little confusing, the “present” is actually 1950, which is the baseline because that’s when RC dating became operational. The original limit wasn’t as large as it is now, but when I was a kid, for example, it was about 45,000 years; refinement of the technique and improvements in sensitivity of the technology pushed that up to 50,000 years, and in the best samples, 60,000 years.

Beyond that, other methods have to be used. And RC dating only works on the organic remains (including ash, bone, hair, mummy bandages, wicker baskets, wooden implements, etc).

27 posted on 11/19/2013 5:58:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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I would think that the wolf was domesticated when the mother was killed trying to eat someone’s livestock or children; the pups would be much easier marks for domestication, and are of course adorable (even coyote pups are adorable, but coyotes not so much ;’). That’s the main reason I don’t think there’s much to this result — unless the wolf cubs adopted the hunters, of course. A small group of (quasi-) domesticated wolves would identify with its group of humans, and actually enhance territorial boundaries of a village or other group.

The estimated age of settled agriculture has moved back from about 5500 years (19th c and before) to the 10K figure still often thrown around, but the earliest (uncalibrated, ergo, too low) radiocarbon date for a domesticated barley sample found (I think) in SE Anatolia is 14,000 years BP. That’s just a sample which happens to have survived, it’s easy to imagine that survival of a small sample of a food crop (already perishable) must be a rare event, and that it won’t be surprising when someone finds proxy data of agricultural activity that is much earlier than this.

My view is, we already have it in the form of post holes of a series of structures (a village) dating to about 800,000 years ago, discovered in China. I wouldn’t argue against the raw possibility that hunter-gatherer methods couldn’t support a large population, I’d merely point out that no one has ever shown the least evidence that it ever has.

The precolonial population of North America has to be estimated from the remains of tribal settlements (since they were illiterate apparently, and didn’t take census data and so on), but before European settlement (not counting the probable though transient Viking presence, and more controversially Celts about 1000 years earlier) and the inadvertent introduction of new diseases, the population west of the Mississippi — almost entirely agrarian, in addition to supplemental hunting — was over 40 million; the population of what is now Mexico was over 50 million and almost entirely agrarian (complete with pretty ambitious and varied methods of irrigation, all the way down into the Panamanian isthmus). Corn (maize) domestication appears to have spread outward from Mexico, and its use as food is at least 8700 years old.

28 posted on 11/19/2013 6:30:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: digger48


29 posted on 11/19/2013 6:37:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: Marcella

If I were to have a dog, I’d probably want some big galoot (I live in the country), but I’ve sometimes found little dogs somewhat beguiling, such as the all-black dachshunds I’ve seen , or the dachshund-chihuahua crosses (they don’t have a stable hybrid outcome last I knew, so they are all over the map for size and other characteristics, going from small enough for the vest pocket to a kind of Jack Russell-plus size).

30 posted on 11/19/2013 6:39:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: ottbmare

They would. I prefer cats, but the warm cuddle is generally at their convenience, and for their benefit. As the saying goes, dogs have owners, cats have staff.

31 posted on 11/19/2013 6:41:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: TigersEye

Mmmmm, bacon!

32 posted on 11/19/2013 6:41:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: Wuli; JLS; svcw; blam; gnarledmaw

Eating dog was also practiced among precolumbian tribes, as a convenient meat supplement, since dogs were kept around to keep the coyotes and probably where applicable the wolves away, particularly in the night. They also served as a warning system for human intruders, which is still a major entry on the dog job description. :’)

33 posted on 11/19/2013 6:42:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: SunkenCiv

You would do very well with a Pitbull, ‘Civ. Perfect for keeping leftists at arm’s length- or just as happy to remove it if they violate your space. Plus he could sniff out and dig up ancient ruins to present you for your amusement.

34 posted on 11/19/2013 6:48:24 PM PST by Dysart (Obamacare: "We are losing money on every subscriber-- but we will make it up in volume!")
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I have a friend who has a long haired Chihuahua and it weighs 3 1/2 pounds. It is possibly the smalled grown dog I have ever seen and the cutest. It is very calm and sleepy looking, precious dog!

35 posted on 11/19/2013 6:57:46 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SunkenCiv
(a village) dating to about 800,000 years ago

That does go back a ways.

36 posted on 11/20/2013 8:59:56 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: SunkenCiv

A fuzzy miniature crocodile with an anger management disorder? I doubt the coyotes or bears would put up with that for very long.

I live far out beyond the stalks of The Frozen Tundra on my own little slice of heaven. As an adult Ive always had St Bernards (including a St Dane) but now have a Newfoundland (well, hes 3/4 newfoundland and 1/4 stupid dog). The most important part of finding a "good" dog is finding the breed with a personality to match your own. For example, Im in sync with the giant sized European branch of the Mollosers which most people dislike while I cant stand most of the more common spastic breeds most Americans have like spaniels and labs.

I just noticed you live up here not too far from me somewhere. Out of curiosity, are you a Yooper or a Troll?

37 posted on 11/21/2013 12:23:57 PM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: gnarledmaw

Heh, I’m south of The Bridge.

38 posted on 11/22/2013 2:46:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (
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and whoops, that should have been “east of the Mississippi”.

39 posted on 11/22/2013 2:55:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (
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To: SunkenCiv

OK, Civ, all this makes a lot of sense. But let’s just say I wouldn’t have wanted to be among the first people to pet my new friend, Mr. Wolf.

40 posted on 11/22/2013 3:19:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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