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The Brandenburg Stone: Proof of the Prince Madoc Legend? (Southern Indiana)
YouTube ^ | September 23, 2023 | Adventures with Roger

Posted on 10/20/2023 8:50:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

In 1912, a farmer found an unusual, ancient-looking limestone tablet in his field. It seemed to have an exotic language, that he’d never seen before, chiseled into its surface. Over the next 50 years, he showed the stone to family, friends, and even took it to the fair, hoping to find anyone that could decipher it, but no one ever could.

Fast forward to the late 1990's, and someone not only deciphered it, but tied it to the legend of Prince Madoc. As the story goes, Madoc sailed to North America from Wales, in the year 1170, 322 years before Christopher Columbus! And not only that, built an ancient castle in Southern Indiana!

This film covers the mysterious Brandenburg Stone, unexplained Roman coins found in Kentucky and Indiana, ruins of an ancient castle in southern Indiana, and Native American stories of “white Indians”, that lived along the Ohio River. This is the first film to fully explore this intriguing legend. The story has captivated Southern Indiana people for generations, and continues to this day!
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The Brandenburg Stone: Proof of the Prince Madoc Legend? (Southern Indiana) | 37:34 | Adventures with Roger | 28.1K subscribers | 146,409 views | September 23, 2023

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0:17·in 1912 across the Ohio river and southeast of Leavenworth a farmer named
0:24·Craig cresselius found something very unusual on his Brandenburg Kentucky
0:29·property something that would change the course of local archeology and legend for
0:35·Generations while plowing his field at Paradise
0:41·bottom he found a large Limestone slab lying on the ground
0:48·seeming to have fallen from a nearby Cliff it looked very ancient with some
0:53·kind of strange exotic language chiseled onto its surface
1:00·showed this strange Stone to friends and family he even took it to the Meade County Fair
1:06·for over 50 years but in all that time no one could decipher this unknown
1:12·language that was until British researchers identified it as ancient Welsh writing
1:22·not only that they tied it to the legend of Prince madok a European explorer that
1:28·sailed across the Atlantic in 1170 from northern Wales
1:35·according to the legend madok discovered and settled in North America hundreds of
1:41·years before Christopher Columbus if it could be proven history books
1:46·would have to be Rewritten however many academics said the markings
1:53·were made by natural processes While others said it was an outright fake
2:00·but it wasn't the only evidence there were ancient castle ruins found in
2:08·the woods of Southern Indiana Roman coins were found on each side of
2:14·the Ohio river in both Indiana and Kentucky
2:20·there were Native American stories of White Indians that inhabited the Falls
2:25·of the Ohio in Charlestown Indiana areas
2:31·and an Indian tribe encountered in 1803 with some members exhibiting blue eyes
2:37·white skin and other European features um even had blonde hair
2:44·but even more astounding is that many of their words had ancient Welsh Origins
2:52·this is the mysterious story of the Brandenburg Stone
3:02·[Music]
3:12·[Music] the Ohio river runs 981 miles from
3:20·Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to Cairo Illinois it passes through Indiana's Countryside
3:26·from Lawrenceburg to Mount Vernon and along the way many beautiful places with
3:32·unusual stories [Music] ancient people used it as a super highway traveling hundreds of miles for
3:40·hunting and trade with other indigenous people while they knew about the river for
3:46·centuries Europeans did not taking the George Rogers Clark Bridge
3:52·from Clarksville to Louisville will pass the Yum Center and a forgotten plaque on
3:58·the right side of the road and memorializes the European discovery
4:04·of the Ohio River in 1669. it was discovered by French explorer
4:11·Renee Robert Cavalier sir De La Salle he
4:16·called the river La Belle riviere or the beautiful River
4:22·during his travels he encountered many Native American villages one of them
4:28·being the yuchi tribe in 1682 they were said to have curiously light skin color
4:34·unlike other tribes that lived in the region namely the Cherokee
4:40·they also buried their dead under stone slabs this was much more of a European
4:46·custom the Native Americans the yuchi were also observed using
4:52·copper kettles over their campfires it was uncertain where these had come from
4:57·as the kettles resembled a European design but perhaps more compelling the yuchi
5:05·called themselves The Children Of The Sun from far away many signs pointed to a much earlier
5:12·European contact in some of those signs were in southern Indiana
5:20·in 1799 near Jeffersonville Indiana early Indiana settlers found the remains
5:26·of six ancient skeletons unlike typical Indian burials they were
5:32·wearing copper breastplates once fitted for Men of War it was said that this armor had the
5:39·Welsh coat of arms a harp and a mermaid and inscribed in Latin was the phrase
5:46·virtuous Deeds meet their own reward
5:52·Northeast of Utica ancient bones of many men were found along Battle Creek
5:59·their bones were all over the place as if they were killed in some incredibly violent battle or perhaps scattered
6:07·afterward by scavengers they too were wearing armor
6:13·Battle Creek was the name given by early settlers after they saw all the skeletons
6:20·and the Mysterious Rose Island no place in Indiana is more associated
6:28·with the prince madok Legend Rose Island is actually a peninsula
6:34·along the Ohio River and is cut by an inlet known as 14 Mile Creek
6:41·the creek itself is legendary being associated with Tales of gold and silver
6:47·Treasure allegedly hidden in caves along its Shoreline
6:52·[Music] but perplexing to early explorers was something a lot more remarkable there
7:00·were ruins of an ancient castle with stone walls up to 75 feet tall
7:05·and in 1873 the state of Indiana surveyed it
7:12·Indiana State geologist Edward Travers Cox explored Rose Island at Charlestown
7:19·he had heard stories from locals that spoke of its mystery
7:24·he was assisted by Professor William Borden an equally educated and
7:29·knowledgeable man whom later founded his own University in world-renowned museum
7:36·these two men had traveled Indiana extensively studying and mapping
7:43·prehistoric sites together they provided an incredible detail of the ruins
7:49·[Music] findings were later published in the Indiana Geological Survey
7:57·they created a map of Rhode Island and its mysterious structures they verified
8:03·what was once thought to be folklore Chief among these findings was a
8:10·man-made Limestone wall it was 150 feet long and 75 feet tall at
8:17·one point it was not natural it was made by someone but it wasn't
8:23·clear who what was Sir it was one of the most
8:28·incredible archaeological finds of the 19th century
8:34·but from the 1880s to the 1930s people took these already quarried and cut
8:40·stones to make foundations for homes Bridges and other structures
8:47·the big four railroad bridge now a pedestrian-only bridge is said to have
8:52·used stones from Rose Island in 1900 Professor Borden built a museum
8:59·at New Providence Indiana it's amazing collection attracted
9:05·worldwide attention members of the Smithsonian traveled all
9:11·the way to rural Indiana just to see it
9:17·[Music] unique fossils of the warden collection considered some of the best examples in
9:24·the world were sent to the Chicago Field Museum to this day they still reside in their
9:32·catalog with the original inventory tags but other artifacts sent to the
9:39·Smithsonian cannot be located this is despite receipts return to Mr Warden on
9:46·official Smithsonian letterhead whatever was sent to the Smithsonian be
9:52·a proof of advanced civilizations or a Welsh Explorer in the 12th century is
9:58·simply gone at Louisville in 1898 a man named John
10:05·Brady found an ancient shield and helmet they were both authenticated and stayed
10:11·in the family for many generations however they were stolen in 1968.
10:19·president Thomas Jefferson was well aware of the prince madok Legend
10:25·it said that one of the copper breastplates found in Southern Indiana was sent to him but its whereabouts
10:33·today are unknown it's also rumored that some of the armor
10:39·from Battle Creek was sent to the Smithsonian for analysis but just like
10:44·items sent to them from William Borden they cannot be found anywhere in their
10:50·catalog
10:55·today you can visit the Charlestown State Park in tour Rose Island for
11:01·yourself if the park is offering a shuttle to the
11:06·island take it the path is extremely steep
11:11·in 1923 David Rose cleared the land and made it into a resort
11:19·any remaining stone structures or impediments were removed and lost to
11:24·history you could come and stay for the summer
11:30·dance eat under the cool shade trees and even
11:36·see animals in cages it had the first in-ground swimming pool
11:42·in the state of Indiana and was very popular but the great flood of 1937 finished off
11:50·the resort it was never rebuilt
11:55·it's now just a ghost town of memories
12:07·[Music]
12:22·[Music] foreign
12:30·the high above the walkway is Devil's Backbone where ancient stone still
12:35·captures the imagination a what was once here camouflaged by summer foliage late fall
12:42·is the ideal time to view the ridge [Music]
12:53·is it naturally occurring Stone placed by Nature
13:00·or stacked Long Ago by a Welsh Prince and his followers
13:06·for a fact it provides a commanding view of the river you could easily see it was
13:13·coming and going most archaeologists disagree with the
13:19·prince madok Legend saying prehistoric people built the structures on Rose
13:25·Island but true history is complicated a good
13:30·place to live in the past is often a good place to live in a much later time
13:38·prehistoric people and Prince madok could have both inhabited Rose Island
13:44·but this was not the only sight hinting of Prince madok
13:50·in 1875 near Deputy Indiana something curious was found at Wiggins point
13:59·an ancient enormous wall 425 feet long was discovered it was over
14:06·twice the size of the one at Rose Island
14:11·however it suffered the same fate with Pioneers using the stones to build
14:17·houses and other structures east of Deputy Indiana at the former
14:24·Jefferson Proving Ground military site Roman coins were found
14:31·to this day no one knows how they got there [Music]
14:38·1963 during the construction of new albany's Sherman Minton Bridge numerous
14:44·Roman coins were found along the riverbank they were stacked in a pile as if once
14:53·in a bag that had disintegrated hundreds of years ago
14:59·made in the Roman Empire around 235 A.D there is no fully accepted explanation
15:06·of how they got there yet another Roman coin was found at
15:12·Stevens for Kentucky further west along the Ohio River
15:18·dated between 286 and 305 A.D it begs the question was it brought here by
15:25·Prince madok and his followers but while Roman coins and old Limestone
15:32·walls told nothing Native Americans had plenty to say
15:42·After the Revolutionary War General George Rogers Clark was given huge
15:48·tracts of land in southern Indiana he settled along the Ohio river and in
15:55·between running a gristville and writing his Memoirs explored this vast area
16:03·just west of his cabin in the middle of the Ohio river is Sand Island
16:10·upon this ancient mound of Earth he found thousands of human bones and
16:15·skulls they were scattered all over the island something terrible had happened
16:21·there a long time ago spoke with a Pianka Shaw Chief asking if
16:29·he knew what happened Chief tobacco said that the White Indians once lived on Sand Island
16:36·they were tall had golden hair blue eyes and took over the region they were not
16:43·liked by the other tribes two tribes ended up banding together and
16:50·killing every last man woman and child of the White Indians their last stand
16:56·being at Sand Island Major John Harrison also saw this large
17:02·scattering of Bones as if some chaotic and Savage battle had happened here
17:09·could the White Indians that were described be the legendary Prince madok and his European followers
17:18·both General Clark and Major Harrison wrote about Sand Island skeletons in
17:24·their journals One account states that General Clark also discovered ancient armor as founded
17:31·Jeffersonville Utica and Louisville but most peculiar is that one of the
17:39·skulls was taken to Louisville for analysis the conclusion of Dr Beckwith was that
17:45·the ancient skull was not that of an Indian
17:51·on October 26 1803 George Rogers Clark's brother William Clark and Meriwether
17:59·Lewis left Clarksville Indiana to explore lands obtained in the Louisiana
18:04·Purchase [Music] team of skillful and capable woodsmen
18:10·they traveled the Ohio River West and onward to the Pacific Ocean
18:17·along the way they met many indigenous tribes one being the Mandan people in
18:24·1804 the mandans were very hospitable and accommodating so much so that all
18:31·the Explorers stayed the winter at their Village [Music]
18:37·during this time they learned a great deal about the mandas but they also noticed some very peculiar
18:44·other things some were Fair skirt with blue or gray
18:51·eyes some even had blonde hair which was very puzzling
18:57·in many ways they were much like Europeans and mannerisms customs and the
19:04·way they looked this would be noticed and documented by others
19:10·In 1832 George Catlin an American author and painter traveled to the mandans and
19:17·painted their portraits he also noticed striking similarities of
19:25·the mandan's to Europeans in his lifetime he painted over 1 000
19:32·Native American portraits he also published two volumes describing
19:39·their mannerisms and customs based upon what he learned he was convinced that
19:45·the mandans were descendants of prince madok in the mounting evidence was more
19:51·than Skin Deep [Music] the first was that mandan's used A
19:58·peculiar type of boat fully unlike other Native Watercraft
20:04·instead of a canoe made for a line of occupants
20:09·their boats were circular a near perfect reproduction of ancient Welsh boats
20:14·called coracles
20:20·the second was that Mandan homes were constructed much like the ancient Welsh
20:26·with low rounded roofs but perhaps the most spectacular were
20:32·claims that many words were either similar or identical to the ancient
20:37·Welsh language president Thomas Jefferson will lead the
20:43·madok legend he even asked Lewis and Clark to look for these Welsh speaking
20:48·people and document whatever they found and they did
20:56·LaSalle had documented the natives in Tennessee with European traits mannerisms and artifacts
21:03·but after he was murdered in 1687 his journal disappeared
21:11·in his later years General Clark wrote quite a bit about his military service
21:16·days on the frontier in his life in Southern Indiana including the strange story of Sand
21:23·Island in finding ancient armor after a severe stroke he lived with his
21:30·sister and brother-in-law in Louisville after he died his writings were
21:37·transferred back to Indiana where he had lived for most of his adult life
21:44·journal with these incredible details restored at the Charlestown public library for anyone to view and study
21:54·however a large section of the journal was ripped out and stolen leaving no
21:59·mention of Sand Island or ancient armor his brother William Clark had a detailed
22:07·Journal that described the Expedition out west but it too suffered a similar fate
22:14·there's no record of the prince madok connection anywhere in the journal
22:21·major Harrison's account of Sand Island which backed up General clerks is
22:26·missing and the skull found on Sand Island verified by a doctor to be not of
22:32·an Indian is also missing and all the bones and skulls on Sand
22:38·Island seen by George Rogers Clark and Major Harrison however many there were
22:44·were cleared Away by the great flood of 1937. it was so powerful that it Swept Away
22:52·entire towns let alone the top soil of an Ohio River
22:57·Island what evidence that was disappeared as if
23:04·it never existed some would say they never existed at all
23:10·what others say all were deliberately and purposely erased from history
23:17·but intriguing Clues still remained and they were just across the river
23:28·in 1784 John philson produced the first map of Kentucky and presented it to the
23:35·United States Congress in his own right he was a well-respected surveyor
23:40·Explorer historian and author not to mentioned one of the founders of
23:46·Cincinnati Ohio in the same year he also published a
23:51·Monumental book on Kentucky history it was called the discovery settlement
23:58·and present state of Kentucky during his research he called a meeting
24:05·with General George Rogers Clark Major John Harrison and Colonel James Moore he
24:11·wanted to discuss the prince madok Legend and what they'd seen and experienced along the Ohio River
24:18·he got a lot more than he bargained for the three men recounted seeing a massive
24:25·amount of Bones on the diamond-shaped piece of land known as Sand Island
24:31·individually they told how local tribes gave all of them the same story about a
24:37·Mass Attack on these white Indians Colonel Moore told how the Carnage
24:43·seemed to continue to the Indiana side of the Ohio River there were thousands of ancient bones
24:49·found all over the shoreline covered in a layer of silt
24:55·in fact the entire Ohio River Greenway along the Falls of the Ohio was once a
25:02·gigantic graveyard but just four years later in 1788 while
25:08·exploring the Miami River in Ohio John philson disappeared
25:13·it was assumed that he was killed by hostile Indians but his body was never
25:18·found the Filson Historical Society in
25:23·Louisville is named in his honor these hallowed Halls contain a large
25:30·collection of history and perhaps hidden on a Dusty archived Shelf
25:36·tantalizing details of the prince madok Legend
25:41·the Filson is a temple of knowledge and has space for serious researchers it
25:47·includes a copy of Ruben Durant's traditions of the earliest visits of
25:52·foreigners to North America publication number 23.
25:57·all told the Filson collection contains over 2.1 million documents books photos
26:05·and other physical artifacts relating to Kentucky history [Music]
26:11·however what decisions were made about the prince madok Legend and John
26:17·philson's findings after his death are unknown
26:23·while the Filson seems transparent about its collection other societies and
26:28·institutions may not be to be clear the Filson was not started
26:34·by John philson but created in his honor in 1884 nearly 100 years after his death
26:43·what details were couched and what truths made it to the light of day is a
26:49·matter of controversy and conspiracy discussions
26:54·some gates were made for keeping things out while others to keep things in
27:00·some say the gates of proper institutions keep bad information from the public
27:06·others say we should be allowed what's available and make our own conclusions
27:13·and there was much more to consider in the form of an ancient text translated
27:18·from Delaware Indians
27:24·in 1820 two years after George Rogers Clark passed away Dr Ward treated a
27:31·Native American from the Delaware tribe the Delaware or Lenape man provided Dr
27:38·Ward with curious pieces of wood they had carved and painted symbols on the
27:44·surface in 1822 French researcher botanist an
27:51·expert on ancient cultures Constantine Samuel rafanesque obtained these
27:57·petroglyphs and began deciphering their meaning
28:02·he completed a detailed translation by 1836 and published a book of the
28:08·findings called the American nations these petroglyphs known as the Whalum
28:16·olum detailed the ancient history of the Delaware people and not only that the
28:22·story of the White Indians it confirmed everything that Clark Harrison and Moore had told John philson
28:30·ancient white people that were murdered along the Ohio River
28:37·for over 100 years this book was accepted by educational institutions as
28:43·an accurate assessment of Native American culture it even detailed crossing of the Bering
28:51·Strait to North America from Asia in the 1950s the Indiana Historical
28:59·Society with funding from Eli Lilly Jr edited and republished rafanesque work
29:05·calling it a worthy subject for students of Aboriginal culture
29:12·Eli Lilly had spent decades researching Indiana's ancient past he worked with
29:18·Glenn black to excavate the angel Mound site at Evansville and other sites of
29:23·antiquity he thoroughly believed the Whalum olum to be genuine
29:29·[Music] but later Scholars strongly criticized the work from various angles calling it
29:36·an outright fraud either purposely done or translated with bad information given
29:42·to the author however many researchers including
29:48·Delaware descendants today support its authenticity
29:54·laying in the balance of the prince madok Legend was the Brandenburg Stone
30:03·at Brandenburg Kentucky Craig Casillas had spent over 50 years trying to find
30:09·anyone that could read the strange Stone found on his property
30:15·in 1965 Craig entrusted John Whitfield with the stone
30:22·as the Meade County Library trustee John felt it had historic significance and
30:29·the eyes of an expert could answer many questions the Smithsonian was contacted an
30:36·archaeologist were invited to examine it by 1973 the professional consensus it
30:46·was not writing at all but natural weathering
30:51·the stone remained at the Meade County Library even if it was natural weathering it still had historical
30:58·significance for Brandenburg but the story was far from being over
31:06·in 1995 it was loaned to the Falls of the Ohio museum at Clarksville Indiana
31:12·not far from George Rogers Clark's home site and Sand Island itself
31:20·in 1998 British researchers Alan Wilson and brim blackett translated the stone
31:27·not without controversy they decoded it using a translation
31:34·system developed by Edward Williams in the 1800s it was known as coil Brin
31:42·with that in hand the stone said towards strength divide the land we are spread
31:48·over purely between Offspring and wisdom it was both obscure and definitive
31:55·perhaps describing ancient settlement along the river by an ancient Welsh
32:01·Prince and his followers but the translation was clouded by
32:07·Edward Williams himself born in 1747 Williams had founded a
32:13·Welsh secret society he used his knowledge of Welsh language
32:19·an ancient Druid culture to create the coil brand translator
32:26·members of his esoteric Welsh secret society used it to create secret
32:32·messages while he considered it derived from ancient Welsh and Druid language
32:37·others called it a completely made-up language at best a few hundred years old
32:46·While others said the Brandenburg Stone was in fact ancient and the coil brand
32:52·translator had done its job 1999 the Falls of the Ohio museum
32:59·presented an exhibit about Ohio River Legends which included the Brandenburg
33:06·Stone the displays also spoke of other unusual
33:11·finds including numerous Roman coins found in Kentucky and Indiana
33:18·for many Southern Indiana people they had heard about Prince madok and the
33:23·Rose Island Castle from childhood the exhibit brought the legend back to life
33:29·but it didn't stay there in 2000 it was moved to the Charlestown
33:36·Clark County Public Library where the journals of General Clark were once
33:41·located but in 2012 it made its way back to
33:47·Brandenburg where it started its long journey providing people with questions
33:52·and not many answers it resides in a special room at the
33:59·Meade County Museum in a place of honor it has its own display case and
34:05·overlooks the river a place that's presented so many Unsolved Mysteries
34:12·[Music] once 29 by 15 and a half inches in one
34:20·to three inches thick it shattered into three pieces when Craig cresselius owned
34:26·it it's been featured in numerous magazines and TV shows it continues to Captivate
34:34·the imagination Conjuring up images of ancient lost civilizations in our own
34:42·backyard the Roman coin found at Stevens Port
34:47·Kentucky sits beside it in the same case both are on display for new generations
34:53·to view and wonder back at Charlestown Indiana home of Rose
35:00·Island and the ancient castle is madaka States
35:05·a nod to the prince madok Legend but the only Castle here is bird cell
35:13·Castle a recreation that hosts medieval festivals corporate events receptions
35:20·and weddings many fine books have been written about
35:26·Prince madok the legend appeals to the certainty that we neither know everything and many
35:33·interesting secrets are still out there waiting to be discovered
35:40·in Mobile Alabama There's a prince madok Memorial it commemorates how he arrived
35:46·at the Gulf of Mexico and later traveled up the Mississippi before landing on a small peninsula in
35:54·Indiana called Rose Island [Music] there's even a town called madok in
36:01·Ontario Canada also acknowledging the legend
36:07·1519 the Aztec King Montezuma told Cortes he knew what he'd look like as
36:14·people just like him had been there before Cortez was then presented a European
36:22·style helmet one that had been left from centuries before could it have been the helmet worn by
36:29·Prince madok and the reason he had never returned is because he and his followers
36:35·were killed in southern Indiana
36:40·when Conquistador Pedro Pizarro explored Peru he said the ruling class had blonde
36:47·hair and fair skin like Europeans they called themselves Children of the Gods
36:55·suggesting perhaps that a mysterious Godlike people from the northern coast
37:00·of Wales made it across the Atlantic Ocean and took over
37:08·every odd story of the past is a legend until facts irrefutable are provided
37:14·perhaps those facts are laying just below the surface or in a museum storage
37:20·room that people never see the question is what do you believe
37:27·[Music]

1 posted on 10/20/2023 8:50:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
I didn't finish this video, I couldn't take the guy's voice. Hey, but he has more vids:
The rest of the Prince/Madoc keywords, sorted:

2 posted on 10/20/2023 8:52:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bookmark


3 posted on 10/20/2023 8:53:40 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: SunkenCiv

Let’s go Brandenburg!......................


4 posted on 10/20/2023 8:54:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for transcript


5 posted on 10/20/2023 8:57:34 AM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks


6 posted on 10/20/2023 8:58:48 AM PDT by Fai Mao ( Starve the Beast and steal its food)
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe it.....................


7 posted on 10/20/2023 9:02:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

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8 posted on 10/20/2023 9:04:03 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool. Thanks.


9 posted on 10/20/2023 9:07:11 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (This is the dystopian future we've been waiting for!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican; heartwood; Fai Mao; Red Badger; Jamestown1630; HYPOCRACY

My pleasure, and thanks for the kind remarks.


10 posted on 10/20/2023 9:09:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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11 posted on 10/20/2023 9:24:02 AM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv

I recall (probably a SunkenCiv thread) a story about the “first” white explorers of the St. Lawrence Seaway. The indians had stories of a city of gold somewhere to the north. And stories of a one-legged giant (or dwarf or troll or something).

The story of the one-legged giant was similar to the story told in Europe (British isles?). The historians surmised that the St. Lawrence Seaway was visited often (yearly?) by European fishermen. And perhaps they either figured it wasn’t a “new” land, or they wanted to keep their abundant fishing grounds a secret? I think the indians might have had stories about the white fishermen as well?


12 posted on 10/20/2023 11:42:16 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.

There are many reasons and ways for destroying true history.


13 posted on 10/20/2023 11:58:30 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isnt free)
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To: SunkenCiv

The rock in the picture looks newly inscribed not a piece of limestone inscribed several hundred years ago.


14 posted on 10/20/2023 12:53:19 PM PDT by Varda
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To: SunkenCiv

Fascinating. I have not heard of this before now. I watched the video.
It’s curious that documentation was stolen, and Roman coins were found, the natural disaster and unwitting destruction all add to the mystery.
And then there’s the Lewis and Clark tie-in….
I know someone who is a descendent of either Lewis or Clark, I forget which one. I’ll have to ask him about this next time I see him.
Very strange.


15 posted on 10/20/2023 1:09:29 PM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: SunkenCiv

There is something truly sad about a culture so hungry for a sense of self-importance that they are willing to continually fabricate such rubbish. Leave a Yankee alone with a chisel on a Pacific island somewhere below the equator and he’ll “find” the final will of Harald Hardrada bequeathing his whole kingdom to his descendant who is predestined to find the stone. All of these things are grotesquely obvious fakes. The Heavener stones, the Kinsington “runestone”, they all follow in the Joseph Smith groove of just making up stuff.


16 posted on 10/20/2023 1:32:13 PM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: SunkenCiv

One of my ancestors was a Welshman named Madog.


17 posted on 10/20/2023 2:52:52 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: SunkenCiv

I am descended from Prince Madoc


18 posted on 10/21/2023 7:35:24 AM PDT by stockpirate (A group of baboons is referred to as a "Congress" of baboons.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. Very enlightening.
Not just the subject matter, but its damnation of such monuments of American science and history as the Smithsonian Institute. It clearly shows its abject thievery of our true history, apparently to fit its agendas.
This video alone should be enough for Congress to investigate the Smithsonian Institute, its actions and its cover ups, as well as hidden information and artifacts that it may still be housing. We have the right to know the truths they systematically hide from us.


19 posted on 10/21/2023 9:42:35 AM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus? He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare consider.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Madoc’s Mark: The Persistence Of An Alabama Legend


20 posted on 10/23/2023 9:39:11 AM PDT by blam
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