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Anthropologist resigns in 'dating disaster'
Worlnetdaily ^ | February 19, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 02/19/2005 7:36:30 AM PST by Woodworker

Panel says professor of human origins made up data, plagiarized works

A flamboyant anthropology professor, whose work had been cited as evidence Neanderthal man once lived in Northern Europe, has resigned after a German university panel ruled he fabricated data and plagiarized the works of his colleagues. Reiner Protsch von Zieten, a Frankfurt university panel ruled, lied about the age of human skulls, dating them tens of thousands of years old, even though they were much younger, reports Deutsche Welle. "The commission finds that Prof. Protsch has forged and manipulated scientific facts over the past 30 years," the university said of the widely recognized expert in carbon data in a prepared statement.

Protsch's work first came under suspicion last year during a routine investigation of German prehistoric remains by two other anthropologists. "We had decided to subject many of these finds to modern techniques to check their authenticity so we sent them to Oxford [University] for testing," one of the researchers told The Sunday Telegraph. "It was a routine examination and in no way an attempt to discredit Prof. von Zieten." In their report, they called Protsch's 30 years of work a "dating disaster."

Among their findings was an age of only 3,300 years for the female "Bischof-Speyer" skeleton, found with unusually good teeth in Northern Germany, that Protsch dated to 21,300 years. Another dating error was identified for a skull found near Paderborn, Germany, that Protsch dated at 27,400 years old. It was believed to be the oldest human remain found in the region until the Oxford investigations indicated it belonged to an elderly man who died in 1750. The Herne anthropological museum, which owned the Paderborn skull, did its own tests following the unsettling results. "We had the skull cut open and it still smelt," said the museum's director. "We are naturally very disappointed."

Protsch, known for his love of Cuban cigars and Porsches, did not comment on the commission's findings, but in January he told the Frankfurter Neue Presse, "This was a court of inquisition. They don't have a single piece of hard evidence against me." The fallout from Protsch's false dating of northern European bone finds is only beginning.

Chris Stringer, a Stone Age specialist and head of human origins at London's Natural History Museum, said: "What was considered a major piece of evidence showing that the Neanderthals once lived in northern Europe has fallen by the wayside. We are having to rewrite prehistory." "Anthropology now has to revise its picture of modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 B.C.," added Thomas Terberger, an archaeologist at the University of Greifswald. Frankfurt University's president, Rudolf Steinberg, apologized for the university's failure to curb Protsch's misconduct for decades. "A lot of people looked the other way," he said.


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To: Just mythoughts
LOL, come on now you E's take what unlearned Christians believe and throw the baby out with the bath water.

What has this to do with my comment?

RaceBannon made a completely illogical assertion. It would be like me pointing to someone citing the story of NASA finding a missing day in space as "proof" that Christianity is false. I don't see how your reply in any way relates to my pointing out that RaceBannon's assertion is illogical.

However the E's are as wrong about 'creation' as the C's are about the age of this earth.

Why are "E's" wrong? Be specific.
101 posted on 02/19/2005 4:33:11 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Woodworker
He found Australopithecus spiff-arino
102 posted on 02/19/2005 4:36:16 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: RaceBannon
C-14 has dated living mollusks as being 10,000 years old.

What kind of mollusks? C14 dating is not used for aquatic life forms; any scientist who deals with dating techniques will tell you this.

I distrust any process that tells me that nothing intervened in the normal processes for that period of time, especially K-R dating and such.

Ah, so you assume some supernatural fluctuation of the values so that you can dismiss anything that doesn't give you answers that you like? How convenient.
103 posted on 02/19/2005 4:39:47 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: RaceBannon
And eveolution is exactly one of the ways those things were promoted, and you should know that if you have been here for a while.

Yes, I know that creationists will lie and claim that evolution somehow justifies sexual orientation (oddly how I've heard arguments against tolerating homosexuality based upon evolution -- seems people can't make up their minds on that), failed economic practices and morally bankrupt political systems, even though evolution doesn't really "justify" anything at all; it's just an explanation. I've been here long enough to know that there are creationists who are dumb enough to believe it, and that there are creationists dishonest enough to know better but who repeat it anyway.
104 posted on 02/19/2005 4:41:28 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Woodworker

When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Now he'll be in line for some kind of prize for writing science fiction.


105 posted on 02/19/2005 4:42:46 PM PST by Rocky
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To: shubi
Of course, creationists ignore the fact they don't do any science and could not find something wrong if their lives depended on it.

Now you've descended into bigotry. Careful Shubi, God's watching.

106 posted on 02/19/2005 4:45:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv

Do dating disasters lead to Free Republic addictions on weekends?


107 posted on 02/19/2005 4:46:08 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Thatcherite
While we are about it let us not forget that wonderful fraud, the Turin Shroud (shown to be fraudulent by scientists using C-14 dating, not by the power of prayer; how richly ironic in the context of the current debate)

You are woefully ignorant of the C-14 dating of the Turin Shroud. Note I didn't say all scientists are woefully ignorant, just you.

108 posted on 02/19/2005 4:48:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Chad Fairbanks

I swear, some men have ridiculous expectations. You cut open a woman and get disappointed if she doesn't smell like potpourri inside.

Women have enough places on their body they have to deodorize as it is without you guys expecting our intestines to smell fresh.


109 posted on 02/19/2005 4:50:57 PM PST by stands2reason (Mark Steyn on GWB: "This is a president who wants to leave his mark on more than a cocktail dress.")
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To: Dimensio

"Why are "E's" wrong? Be specific."

E's are wrong about creation. Reason they have no understanding why 'flesh' was created. Pretty much the same as the C's cause they have no understanding WHY 'flesh' was created, what we are told about "TIME". But hey Dimensio this was foretold would be the case, three different type of thought are described, and why there are three.

It is written that it is not given for alll to understand.

There is evidence that something cataclysmic took place on this earth million upon millions of years ago. Another 'age'.

We find evidence of all manner of animal and plant life that existed million upon millions of years ago.

What there is NO evidence of are human skeletal remains. Now I grant you there have been some really good art work produced to claim transitions of species over the course of time, but there has been no full skeletal remains discovered. Bits and pieces of bone fragments that used leakey science to make outrageous claims.

Ignoring what is Written or altering what was Written doesn't make one correct. Come on, liberals believe in a system that promotes themselves as "we are god's".

There is a whole dimension out there that flesh man cannot even comprehend let alone show evidence of. We have clues and hints of another dimension, but it is not visible to the flesh man's eye. That dimension gives credibility to the FACT there is a Creator, who is in control allowing his creation to select or elect what to believe.

Man in the flesh dies and rots away, unless mummified, or bones fossilized, if evolution were correct then there would be heaps upon heaps of skeletal remains giving evidence to that theory. There is not one complete human skeletal remain in any shape of transition to give credibility to evolution.

The only 'peer' review I have is what was Written that Instruction Book that E's reject.


110 posted on 02/19/2005 5:08:25 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: jwalsh07
He has a point. Creationists don't "do" science.
111 posted on 02/19/2005 5:12:13 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior
He has no point, his statement was a study in bigotry and all the more puzzling because he himself is a creationist. He believes God created the Universe and all that's in it and condemns all those who believe in that creation as anti science noodniks.

You Creation Science link doesn't excuse him. Creation Science and creationists are two entirely different things. Perhaps he misspoke but I don't think so, the term "creationist" is used widely by the science types and almost always in a derogatory manner.

112 posted on 02/19/2005 5:19:41 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Dimensio
Your lack of reading experience is showing.

For years now, people have been saying that since we are just animals, and since the animal kingdom experiences homosexuality, then homosexuality is just an evolutionary event.

And Freepers here know this for we have posted it many times.

Creationists who regard the Bible, know homosexuality is a sin, and is against what God has created: MAN and WOMAN.

I have also posted previous articles on how HITLER used EVOLUTION to defend his arguments, and also how COMMUNISTS used EVOLUTION to defend their views on Communism.

So, I guess it is easier to defeat an evolutionist the more the Internet becomes available, for these articles have been posted over and over again.

I wonder why you guys just don't read them, I posted them, even saved some of the links on my home page here.
113 posted on 02/19/2005 5:23:35 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Junior

Thanks for that oldie-goldie. A link to the original article is now in the List-O-Links.


114 posted on 02/19/2005 5:23:53 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: RaceBannon
I have also posted previous articles on how HITLER used EVOLUTION to defend his arguments, and also how COMMUNISTS used EVOLUTION to defend their views on Communism.

You forgot to mention the CREATIONIST who claims that CAPITALISTS used EVOLUTION to defend CAPITALISM. (Which the creationist implies is immoral!)

115 posted on 02/19/2005 5:27:44 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Debugging Windows Programs by McKay & Woodring)
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To: RaceBannon; lafroste
you believe that God created evolution, not genetic variation, but evolution,

Evolution does occur. It's just a question as to how much of biodiversity is it responsible.

I personally don't believe in common descent -- albeit there are people I respect who do. I just think it makes much more sense that a whole pile of things got created about 500 million years ago --and the fossil record actually supports this. Of course I'll be accused of being an apostate because I'm an Old Earther.

but evolution, then you deny the bok of Genesis, the very foundation of whay Jesus had to die on the Cross.

You can still believe in the uniqueness of man -- and it's irrational not to as we are obviously unique in nature -- and our fall. And there's nothing wrong with having the faith the Genesis is ultimately going to be proved right, which is not a bad assumption considering the track record of the Bible vs. conventional scientific wisdom. There are those, however, who are trying to play by the rules and do things empirically, and I'm not going to argue faith when they are talking science.

And concerning the New Testament, when you apply standard historical scholarship and archeology to the Gospels, you end up with something that's pretty hard to reason away.

116 posted on 02/19/2005 5:30:03 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: VadeRetro
Furthermore, you contaminated your Archaeoraptor claim with an attempt to stretch it to some unknown number of other fossils you conventiently forgot to mention.

There are several Chinese groups that have sold black-market frauds of "rare, one-of-a-kind fossils" to collectors. Every so often one of these makes it into the main stream.

It is so prevalent, that there is a cycle between these things being credited, and the scientific community ignoring most everything that comes out of China.

117 posted on 02/19/2005 5:33:25 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ValerieUSA
LOL!! I'm sure they do.

And I thought you did a great job in Eyes Wide Shut

118 posted on 02/19/2005 5:35:58 PM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Thatcherite
Does this mean that the Neanderthals didn't live in the Neander Tal after which they are named? Or is the reputation of the Neander Tal specimens intact? Anyone?

I'm pretty sure that those skeletons (Gibralter, and the Neander valley) are not yet challenged.

119 posted on 02/19/2005 5:37:46 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: stands2reason
Women have enough places on their body they have to deodorize as it is without you guys expecting our intestines to smell fresh.

They have intestines in their heads?

:)

120 posted on 02/19/2005 5:46:56 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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