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The "Abortion Joe" Biden will get his ticket a record low Catholic vote
August 23, 2008 | vanity

Posted on 08/23/2008 10:53:04 AM PDT by jmaroneps37

The selection of Senator Joseph Biden as his running mate has sealed Barack Obama's doom in November. Last month a Zogby poll showed us that he had slipped from an 11 point lead among Catholic voters to a 15 point deficit. By all common sense, this amazing 26 point drop came about because Catholics had just begun to hear about Obama's disgraceful opposition to a bill that would protect abortion victims who had miraculously survived this ultimate rejection by their mothers. To say that Senator Obama was on his way to a record setting loss of Catholic support is an understatement. He needed a dramatic step to keep from going below 40% support in this vital demographic.

Selecting Senator Joe Biden as his running mate was a huge step backward in any Obama effort to shore up Catholic support. Biden is know for his pressing questions about abortion during Senate confirmation hearings. He has stated that support of abortion should be a litmus test for jurists seeks Senate confirmation and he currently has a zero rating from the National Right to life Committee.

Biden's own Catholic Bishop has denounced politicians who support abortion and likened such positions to those who refused to support laws outlawing slavery in the 19th century. Biden's Bishop has even stated that abortion supporting Catholic politicians should not receive Holy Eucharist.

More than this, Biden has not just supported abortion but butted heads with the Catholic Church over the matter saying this in the Christian Science Moniter August 27, 2007): "My views are totally consistent with Catholic social doctrine ... There are elements within the church who say that if you are at odds with any of the teachings of the church, you are at odds with the church. I think the church is bigger than that.."

Statements like this will not swing true Catholics to his side, but they will keep the firestorm over Barack Obama's attacks on the Born Baby Protection Act raging.

TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden; catholicbiden; catholicvote; obama; obamabinbiden
I'm very glad about this pick and when it was announced. It means my prediction that barack mcgovern will get rolled over is well on its way. Now we have to get busy electing a conservative back bone for McCain.
1 posted on 08/23/2008 10:53:05 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37
Abortion Joe and "Punished with a baby" Barack.

I used to say we should work to make this election about abortion. But it really didn't take any work at all.

2 posted on 08/23/2008 10:57:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when your bot, you're pwn3d)
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To: jmaroneps37

What is this? The most arrogant team ever to run for President ever? No sir, the church ISN’T bigger than that!

3 posted on 08/23/2008 10:59:05 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: jmaroneps37
Biden said: "There are elements within the church who say that if you are at odds with any of the teachings of the church, you are at odds with the church. "

Biden evidently knows very little about the history of the Catholic Church. He is very fortunate to live in the twenty-first century.

4 posted on 08/23/2008 10:59:40 AM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California ( - Volunteer by contacting Dave at
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To: jmaroneps37
The "Abortion Joe" Biden will get his ticket a record low Catholic vote

I wouldn't be so sure...

A September 2007 Pew survey showed white evangelical Protestants agreeing that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases by a 65-31 margin; Catholics favored keeping abortion legal in all or most cases by a 51-44 margin (with no appreciable difference between Hispanic and non-Hispanic Catholics). On a related issue that helps measure the intensity of anti-abortion views, the same poll showed white evangelicals opposing embryonic stem cell research by 57-31, while white non-Hispanic Catholics favored it by 59-32.

5 posted on 08/23/2008 11:08:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: jmaroneps37; antonius

6 posted on 08/23/2008 11:08:36 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: jmaroneps37
The "Abortion Joe" Biden will get his ticket a record low Catholic vote

EDITORIAL:Obama Chooses Biden and the Battle for Life is Engaged
Joe Biden Makes It Easier for Catholics to Oppose Pro-Abortion Barack Obama
McCain attacks Obama on pro-abortion stance
Barack Obama's Sole Article in Harvard Law Review Promotes Abortion

Why Obama Really Voted For Infanticide
Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Audio Found Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act
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Why Obama couldn't answer Warren's baby question
Smoking gun? Papers expose Obama's 'infanticide' vote

EXTRA: Archbishop Burke on Catholics who Support Abortion
Senator Barack Obama Wants You to Pay for Abortions
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Vote for Real Hope and Change [Archbishop Chaput]
Catholics who support abortion should not receive Communion, says Archbishop Burke (again :-)
CNN Again Omits Part of the Story Concerning Obama’s Abortion Votes

Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
Obama and the Black American Family Don’t Jibe [Abortion]
Obama Caught Red-Handed in Abortion Lie
Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record

Barack Obama - Abortion Extremist
Barack Obama lied about babies ‘Born Alive’ vote then smeared Corsi
Babies' Rights and the Definition of Marriage [re: Forum responses by Obama vs. McCain]
Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel...
Life Lies: Barack Obama and Born-Alive
Operation Rescue founder to distribute new flyer: "Is it Immoral to Vote for Obama for President?"
Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
Obama Jun 15: “fathers…at conception” August 16 “answering that question is above my pay grade”

Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
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Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
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Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
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Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
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The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
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Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
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More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
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NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
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McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
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How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
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McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
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7 posted on 08/23/2008 11:09:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: William Tell
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Abortion and Euthanasia

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

8 posted on 08/23/2008 11:10:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: jmaroneps37
Any Catholic who supports abortion by voting for this ticket will essentially be excommunicating themselves. And, yes, Joe Biden has already excommunicated himself. He will not be communicated through the reception of Communion.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,

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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A

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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),

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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent

9 posted on 08/23/2008 11:13:09 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alex Murphy

And we have the Bishops to answer for that!! Very few have the courage to actually tend to their sheep,in guiding them to understand the evil of abortion and the risk of their salvation!

10 posted on 08/23/2008 11:33:41 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Salvation

I have just heard about the obama story. It’s chilling

11 posted on 08/23/2008 11:39:10 AM PDT by reefdiver (He voted to Kill the infants - Because the intended Abortion was unsuccessful. You think your safe)
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To: jmaroneps37

Biden on Barack : John McCain campaign ad at

wait for the very end to see McCain’s smile. Hilarious!

12 posted on 08/23/2008 12:02:42 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: jmaroneps37

Wait a minute... don’t discount the rather sizeable “fallen Catholic” vote, especially among those middle class whites who cling to their guns and religion along with their bitterness with the economy. That’s Joe’s core constituency. This makes perfect sense, now.

13 posted on 08/23/2008 12:08:53 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: jmaroneps37

The Killer B’s: Barack and Biden

14 posted on 08/23/2008 12:12:42 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: JohnLongIsland
The Killer B’s: Barack and Biden

Don't let BB near your baby?
15 posted on 08/23/2008 12:14:53 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: red irish

And where is the Vatican?
Where is the Pope?
Why is he not forthright and force full on abortion to where he excommunicates all those who advocate it?
Biden a Catholic? Get real.
Kennedy a Catholic? Ya gotta be kidding.

16 posted on 08/23/2008 1:04:41 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: jmaroneps37

We can only hope this is the case.


17 posted on 08/23/2008 3:46:41 PM PDT by joma89
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Biden is Pontius Pilate on this issue, but cannot wash his hands of it.

His soul was sold, it’s in a pawn shop on 14th street, hanging in a window.

No one wants it.

18 posted on 08/28/2008 11:33:30 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Biden is to BS as rocks are to Stonehenge)
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