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[OPEN] Pelosi a 'religious heretic,' says former GOP Rep.
The Politico ^ | 8/26/2008 | Ryan Grim

Posted on 08/26/2008 4:59:08 PM PDT by markomalley

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is a “religious heretic” for suggesting that there is disagreement within the Catholic Church over the definition of conception, former Rep. Bob Beauprez (R-Colo.) said Tuesday morning. Beauprez, Colorado chairman of the Coalition for a Conservative Majority, was speaking to Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina and other Republicans, who didn’t disagree with the suggestion.

“It’s one thing to torture public policy. It’s quite another to be a religious heretic,” said Beauprez.

On NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Pelosi told NBC’s Tom Brokaw, in response to a question about when life begins, that “over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months. We don’t know.” Pelosi said that as “an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time.”

Brokaw pressed her, saying that the church “feels very strongly” that life begins at conception, but Pelosi countered that she was referring to disagreement within the church over the centuries, not in the last several decades. “I understand,” she told Brokaw. “And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy.”

Church leaders have criticized her, with Archbishop Donald Wuerl reportedly calling her position “incorrect.”

Beauprez, however, doesn’t limit the heretical label to Pelosi alone. “Heretics like Pelosi and Joe Biden, who also supports abortion and professes to be a Catholic, are giving Catholics a bad name,” Beauprez has written on his blog. “Pelosi, Biden, Obama and the Democrat Party can spin it all they want. Rationalizing evil, wishing it away, doesn’t make it any less evil. They have exposed themselves as the heretics that they are willing to be, to win an election.” (Obama, however, is not a Catholic and in The Crypt’s nonexpert understanding could therefore not be a heretic.)



TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicpoliticians; moralabsolutes; pelosi
“It’s one thing to torture public policy. It’s quite another to be a religious heretic,”

Nice money quote for the article!

1 posted on 08/26/2008 4:59:09 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: NYer; Salvation; wagglebee; narses; Coleus; cpforlife.org

San Fran Heretic ping for your lists!


2 posted on 08/26/2008 5:01:35 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
(Obama, however, is not a Catholic and in The Crypt’s nonexpert understanding could therefore not be a heretic.)

Heresy is going against religious dogma. It is not limited to the Catholic Church. Christianity as a whole is against abortion. Anyone professing to be a Christian, who also professes support for abortion in any way, is a heretic. Period. The same is true of anyone professing support for acceptance of gay and lesbian lifestyles within the Church. Such lifestyle is an abomination against God, as is abortion.

3 posted on 08/26/2008 5:05:57 PM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: markomalley

Well, us Orthodox knew that about her a long time ago. Of course, in her case, the Latins agree with us.

[:-)======


4 posted on 08/26/2008 5:12:26 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: markomalley

too bad bob the dairy farmer didn’t win the colorado governorship!


5 posted on 08/26/2008 5:16:09 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: bcsco
(Obama, however, is not a Catholic and in The Crypt’s nonexpert understanding could therefore not be a heretic.)

Yeah, and one's skin color, and wallowing in the past and taking retribution on those that had wronged one's ancestors, was high on the list of the New Testament creeds also...no heresy there down at the tucc ranch... not at all...

20 years he was member at this place. Twenty Years...

6 posted on 08/26/2008 5:21:19 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: markomalley

The Cafeteria is closed, Nancy. Read your Catechism of the Catholic Church and go to Confession and promise never again to support abortion.


7 posted on 08/26/2008 5:52:29 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: markomalley
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8 posted on 08/26/2008 6:07:41 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Excellent information Salvation. Thanks. :)


9 posted on 08/26/2008 6:51:21 PM PDT by chase19
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To: bcsco
Anyone professing to be a Christian, who also professes support for abortion in any way, is a heretic.

If the approval of abortion is heresy, then why does the Church sanction heresy by not excommunicating prominent Democratic politicians?

10 posted on 08/27/2008 6:03:07 AM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: e.Shubee
If the approval of abortion is heresy, then why does the Church sanction heresy by not excommunicating prominent Democratic politicians?

Go here: Cardinal Egan Blasts Pelosi (in brilliantly scathing response) [Open]. But be warned, there's a great deal of discussion.

11 posted on 08/27/2008 6:27:47 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: e.Shubee
Here's another, easier to digest link: Pope Pelosi At the Gate. Read post #1 for an answer.
12 posted on 08/27/2008 6:37:02 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: bcsco
Go here: Cardinal Egan Blasts Pelosi (in brilliantly scathing response)

I'm not impressed because the Archbishop doesn't deny that Pelosi is Catholic.

13 posted on 08/27/2008 6:41:50 AM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: bcsco
Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion -- especially politicians -- should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”

But they are still Catholic. So what does a heretic have to do to get excommunicated?

14 posted on 08/27/2008 6:52:14 AM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: e.Shubee

Ask a Catholic.


15 posted on 08/27/2008 6:54:50 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama's just biden his time until McCain wins in November.)
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To: e.Shubee

AMEN. I hope they do, finally. It’s time to stand up to these people who pretend to be Catholic.


16 posted on 08/27/2008 8:33:36 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

You realize of course that the pope would have to be excommunicated also. Or do you believe that popes are exempt from exalting the high standards of Canon Law? If the pope should remove cowardly and compromising bishops because they tolerate professing Catholics that aid and abet the abortion practice, then why shouldn’t the pope also be removed for electing to be quiet?


17 posted on 08/27/2008 5:52:02 PM PDT by e.Shubee
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To: e.Shubee

The pope could be excommunicated for that? Hmmm. Never gave it any thought. I thought the pope was infallible.


18 posted on 08/27/2008 6:33:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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