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AmP Poll: Was SC priest right to suggest confession for Obama voters? [Catholic Caucus]
American Papist ^ | November 13, 2008 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 11/14/2008 9:52:50 AM PST by NYer

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To: trisham; Ransomed
How can a Catholic possibly be misinformed these days?

One word.

Can you say "Bernardin"?

All right, two words.

How about "seamless garment"?

This is how it goes.

"Yes indeed, abortion is wrong. Very wrong. Don't think I'm trying to soft peddle here. No sir! Abortion is a sin. But so is war. So is poverty. So is lack of health care. What we need to do is develop an overall pro-life ethos. One which takes into account every aspect of human life...........etc, etc"

Confused yet?

Take this recipe, mix in a gaggle of sycophantic, Bernardin protege bishops, stir vigorously and then serve to the people continuously for about 10 years.

If you're not confused now, you soon will be.

41 posted on 11/14/2008 2:02:21 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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To: Ransomed
How many US Catholics have heard of Evangelium vitae much less read it? I’d hazard that the number is much less than even 50%.

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It's my contention that Catholics bear some responsibility for their own education. Along with attending Church, to read Catholic publications, to visit Catholic web sites, and so on. To visit the Religion forum on Free Republic.

As for the number of Catholics that know of "Evangelium Vitae", I could only speculate, which is not very helpful, I fear.

42 posted on 11/14/2008 2:04:58 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marshmallow
Well, I don't think most Catholics are confused. Nor do I think they are sheep.

The Catholics that I have known who are pro-choice, pro-contraception and so on are also quite politically liberal. Imho, their lack of commitment to the Church may be as much due to a political perspective as it is due to religious beliefs or teachings. They have chosen to disregard all that does not conform to their world view, or that they perceive to be difficult.

43 posted on 11/14/2008 2:20:31 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Bernardin's "seamless garment" teaching wrought havoc.

Complete havoc.

By propagating the idea that when one casts a vote one must not only consider the issue of abortion but also the death penalty for instance, or nuclear disarmament, you've immediately clouded the issue. It's no longer a simple choice.

It's brilliant and the very definition of confusion. You don't deny outright that abortion is the overriding issue. You simply go in search of other issues, wring your hands, and lament how many other situations there are where human life is not respected.

44 posted on 11/14/2008 2:34:17 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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To: marshmallow

Yeah. Another good one was the “proportionate reason” loop hole. Saying that it’s cool to vote for the baby butchery guy as long as there is a “proportianate reason” for doing so, but never giving an example of what such a reason would be—because any such reason would look like the plot of a sci-fi book.

Freegards


45 posted on 11/14/2008 3:31:30 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: NYer

**The common teaching on this matter has been that it gravely wrong to vote for a pro-choice candidate because you support their pro-abortion stance.**

Gravely wrong = mortal sin = Confession time!


46 posted on 11/14/2008 7:23:21 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Yes, Salv, Confession...and Penance. I’d like to see priests this weekend suggest to all those who voted for our new pro-death president-elect that they do penance for the babies that will die due to their votes, and that penance should directly relate to bringing their consciences in line with Church teaching.

For example, they could (1) write to all their Congressmen opposing FOCA and supporting the continuation of the Mexico City Policy, (2) give “alms” by donating to American Life League, HLI, Priests for Life, C-Fam, Project Rachel, or some other truly pro-life charity, and then read the literature those groups send out. (3) They should be required to watch the video put out by the Bella star (on You Tube) that shows graphic abortion pictures.

And....DON’T present yourself for Communion until you have done all of the above, or you add sacrilege to the already grave sin of cooperation with evil.

I wonder if 50 years ago this would have seemed “unreasonable” for a priest to say?


47 posted on 11/15/2008 1:07:33 AM PST by baa39 (www.FightFOCA.com - innocent lives depend on you)
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Pray for LIFE!

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48 posted on 11/21/2008 7:39:59 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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