Mars on Oct. 27 and 28, 2005 as the dust storm emerged.
Credit: Clay Sherrod, Arkansas Sky Observatories
Posted on 10/28/2005 6:33:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
COLUMBIA, S.C. - A supernova could be the "quick and dirty" explanation for what may have happened to an early North American culture, a nuclear scientist here said Thursday.
Richard Firestone said at the "Clovis in the Southeast" conference that he thinks "impact regions" on mammoth tusks found in Gainey, Mich., were caused by magnetic particles rich in elements like titanium and uranium. This composition, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory scientist said, resembles rocks that were discovered on the moon and have also been found in lunar meteorites that fell to Earth about 10,000 years ago.
Firestone said that, based on his discovery of similar material at Clovis sites, he estimates that comets struck the solar system during the Clovis period, which was roughly 13,000 years ago. These comets would have hit the Earth at 1,000 kilometers an hour, he said, obliterating many life forms and causing mutations in others.
"I'm not going to tell you that there's Clovis people on the moon, or that they had a space program," Firestone said. But these particles look "very much like the material that comes from the moon, which is the only place we've found with this same high titanium concentration."
Amateur archaeologist Richard Callaway said he was surprised by Firestone's theory.
"I've always considered myself a pretty open-minded person," Callaway said, while browsing some of the artifacts on display at the conference. "And it's kind of shocking to hear that something from the solar system could have done something like this."
Callaway, an Episcopal priest from Atlanta, said that he and his wife have volunteered at the Topper site in Allendale County for the past two summers.
"To be a part of this ... and find something no human being has touched in 15,000 years — that's something," Callaway said. "That's what I like about what we do. You don't find the next answer. You find the next question."
Earlier Thursday, University of South Carolina archaeologist Al Goodyear lectured on his discoveries at Topper, where he says he has found evidence that man existed in North America much earlier than previously thought. Goodyear showed slides of the many tools he has recovered from Topper, as well as a charcoal strip he discovered in soil two meters beneath a 16,000-year-old level of the site.
"Topper's like a box of chocolates," Goodyear said. "Every time we dig a hole, something new comes up."
As the final event of the four-day conference, partially sponsored by USC, Goodyear will lead attendees on a visit to Topper on Saturday.
Incoherent reporting. Firestone comes off as a crank but I think I'll wait for a better-written article before forming an opinion.
Mars on Oct. 27 and 28, 2005 as the dust storm emerged.
Credit: Clay Sherrod, Arkansas Sky Observatories
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So now a sports team named The Comets will be deemed racially Offensive!
You'd think this would have been mentioned in Poor Richard's Almanac.
Also, wouldn't there be obvious traces outside N.A.?
And what connection is implied by "a supernova" and "lunar meteorites" and a comet hitting the earth? Maybe he should restrict his language to math, instead of trying to speak English.
Or, was this a Babelfish translation from English to Manglish?
Right side image: The Mark of the Cosmic Turtle!
WE'RE DOOMED!
Or, maybe WE'RE SAVED!
Last time I saw that critter, rocket flames were coming out of the leg holes of his shell, and he was leaving Earth for Mars. Took him long enough to get there.
"Calling Monster Island; come in Monster Island; Godzirra, protect us! Over!"
"Comets Blasted Early Americans"
I thought they were finally going to tell us what happened to Virginia Dare and the lost colony.
2 words-----Immanuel Velikovsky
Bush's fault, right?
You DID check with the "Carl Sagan Cosmic Thought Police" before posting this didn't you?
"University of South Carolina archaeologist Al Goodyear lectured on his discoveries......"
Another good reason to be a Clemson Tiger fan.
I knew Bill Hailey's been around a long time but playing the Clovis gig?
I was gonna post this: Comets Hit Early Americans, Scientists Say, but, a search revealed that you already had.
Now, you should have pinged me. No-one enjoys a good catastrophe as good as me.
Professor Stephen Oppenheimer, in one of his books, suggests that it may have been comet impacts that began the end of the last Ice Age.
Wouldn't there be some tribes with a Kaboom in their legends?
Clovis Speakers Discuss Man's Origins In The United States
"In recent years, many experts have begun to consider other explanations, such as migration from Europe, and not Asia."
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Read the Bible.
but where's the kaboom? i expected an earth shattering kaboom! [marvin the martian]
Sorry I missed that requirement. I have read all of IV's books they are very interesting.
btt
Thanks for the ping, Blam.
NR, I'm right behind Blam in enjoying a good old fashioned catastrophe.
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LOL.. I got ya covered re: catastrophes, etc. ;-)
of course, the most important related topic is...
Loss of Musk Ox Genetic Diversity at the Pleistocene-Holocene Transition
BioMed Central via Eureka Alert | 5-Oct-2005 | Juliette Savin
Posted on 10/10/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1500172/posts
impacts, recent and not so much...
A Celestial Collision
Alaska Science Forum | February 10, 1983 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 09/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1216757/posts
Lake Michigan Impact in 1919:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1216757/posts?page=3#3
Giordano Bruno, the June 1975 Meteoroid Storm, Encke, and Other Taurid Complex Objects
Icarus (Volume 104, Issue 2 , pp 280-290) | August 1993 | Jack B. Hartung
Posted on 12/27/2004 2:37:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1309198/posts
Small Asteroid Passes Between Satellites and Earth
Space dot com | 22 December 2004 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 12/23/2004 7:36:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1307286/posts
Cosmic Hole-in-One Captured Over Antarctica
RedNova | Monday, 5 September 2005, 20:43 CDT | staff / press release
Posted on 09/05/2005 9:36:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1478231/posts
Giant asteroid rocked Antarctica
Near Earth Object Information Centre | 8/20/2004 | staff
Posted on 10/17/2004 9:26:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1248406/posts
Grains Found in Ga. Traced to Asteroid
Yahoo / AP | August 24 2004 | editors
Posted on 08/24/2004 11:32:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1198414/posts
The Hazard of Near-Earth Asteroid Impacts on Earth
Frontiers | 4 March 2004 | Clark R. Chapman
Posted on 12/02/2004 10:51:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1292915/posts
LOL. I did a quick reading, which is usually sufficient, and then thought, "I have no idea what these people are talking about." Then I scrolled down and found your comment. Most reassuring, to know that when I am not grasping something it is still almost certainly somebody else's fault. :O)
Wait a minute... Firestone and Goodyear?
Thanks for posting it, and thanks again to Blam for the ping. It's unusually coherent and lucid, and while I'd disagree with Firestone's suggestion of the cause (supernova), as said before, I enjoy a good catastrophe.
earlier topics, same Richard Firestone, different sources:
Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
Discovery News | 09/28/05 | Jennifer Viegas
Posted on 10/04/2005 11:47:27 PM PDT by planetesimal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1496844/posts
Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
Discovery News | Sept. 28, 2005 | Jennifer Viegas
Posted on 10/17/2005 8:57:32 AM PDT by Fzob
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503957/posts
sidebar:
Supernova debris found on Earth
NEWS@NATURE.COM | 02 November 2004 | Mark Peplow
Posted on 11/24/2004 1:22:08 PM PST by Phsstpok
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287848/posts
(I guess Peplow never heard of the Eltanin impact?)
I liked it because of it's fit with the end of the Ice Age.
Let me see...I have an article around her somewhere by Michelin, he says that...
I read "Ages In Chaos', "Worlds In Collision", and "Earth in Upheaval", (I believe). Were there any more?
I believe that much of what Velikovsky predicted has been proven, despite Carl Sagan's desperate and disingenuous attempt to silence him
One speaker named Firestone, and another speaker named Goodyear. Hmmmm......
I'm going to wait and see what Prof. Pirelli has to say. His theories are always highly provacative. Well worth hours of study to get every jot and tittle.
I'm convinced that they moved westward and became the ancestors of the Melungeons. (http://www.melungeon.org/?BISKIT=2772535491&CONTEXT=cat&cat=10005)
Comets are already inside the solar system, and they move much faster.
He wrote some other stuff of a hypothetical nature. Probably not as interesting.
I was reading Vielikovsky in the '70's, and then Carl Sagan and the "nuclear winter " crowd put out all their propaganda, then I found out about how sagan, et al tried to silence Vielikovsky from even publishing, that sort of told me what sort of idiot sagan was. Tongue-tied turkey.
Mars is central to Velikovsky's chain of events, and while it doesn't appear likely that Mars came close by earth recently, still Mars looks like something catastrophic happened. Half the crust appears to be missing, just as half of earth's crust is missing. Earth has a moon to explain the missing crust, but Mars has nothing but some questionable asteroids that don't come close to Mars now if they ever did.
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There are too many references to car tires for me to take this seriously.
“Isn’t “1,000 KPH” (625 MPH or ~0.25 KPS) pretty slow for a cometary inpact?”
You’re right. The Earth itself is barrelling around the Sun at 66,705 MPH; and Earth-incoming meteorites, comets, etc. can be expected to enter Earth’s space at incredible velocities ... especially in head-on situations.
One for-instance is Chesapeake Bay; it was apparently carved out by a comet strike about 36 million years ago.
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