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First American in Europe 'was native woman kidnapped by Vikings and hauled back to Iceland...'
Daily Mail Online (UK) ^ | November 17, 2010 | NIALL FIRTH

Posted on 11/17/2010 8:33:00 AM PST by Albion Wilde

A native woman kidnapped by the Vikings may have been the first American to arrive in Europe around 1,000 years ago, according to a startling new study.

The discovery of a gene found in just 80 Icelanders links them with early Americans who may have been brought back to Iceland by Viking raiders.

The discovery means that the female slave was in Europe five centuries before Christopher Columbus first paraded American Indians through the streets in Spain after his epic voyage of discovery in 1492...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; imperialism; nativeamerican; revisionisthistory; revisionistmyass; slavery; vikings
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Those Vikings got around!
1 posted on 11/17/2010 8:33:05 AM PST by Albion Wilde
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To: Albion Wilde

The original party animals!


2 posted on 11/17/2010 8:34:28 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Albion Wilde
The discovery means that the female slave was in Europe five centuries before Christopher Columbus first paraded American Indians through the streets in Spain after his epic voyage of discovery in 1492...

They found a genetric trait and have already determined that the native American was enslaved and producing babies. Were the babies also enslaved as in America? Is there a recorded history of Native American slaves in Iceland being sold 1000 years ago?

3 posted on 11/17/2010 8:36:13 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Albion Wilde

it’s funny the way they worded that title... “in only 80” um... have they got the DNA all every person in Iceland?

You would think they would use a percentage.


4 posted on 11/17/2010 8:37:33 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Albion Wilde

The Pillage People.


5 posted on 11/17/2010 8:37:40 AM PST by AU72
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To: Albion Wilde
It looks like tax free cigarettes and casinos may soon be coming to Reykjavik.
6 posted on 11/17/2010 8:38:38 AM PST by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: Albion Wilde
Why do they ASSUME she was a “slave”????

She may have been smitten by the exotic, manly, Nordic type!

I mean, it happened with Pocahontas: She fell for John Rolfe; married him; moved to England; etc., why not 6 centuries beforehand as well?

7 posted on 11/17/2010 8:38:57 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: Albion Wilde

Half the modern Iceland gene pool is Irish (slaves from Ireland).


8 posted on 11/17/2010 8:39:11 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: Jim Robinson; SunkenCiv; Alamo-Girl; AliVeritas; AnAmericanMother; Bigg Red; BufordP; ...

Ping!


9 posted on 11/17/2010 8:40:11 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde
Why are they assuming she was a slave or was kidnapped?

Perhaps a Norseman took a wife while on a voyage.

10 posted on 11/17/2010 8:41:28 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Mobties

Confirms my belief that many European-Americans can trace their ancestry back far enough to start casinos here in the USA.


11 posted on 11/17/2010 8:41:30 AM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: Albion Wilde

More likely some native American tribes likely originated in Europe, not Asia. No way the Cherokees came from Asia for instance.


12 posted on 11/17/2010 8:42:10 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Albion Wilde
Here's a pic of her.

I never did that as a kid. You can't prove it.

13 posted on 11/17/2010 8:42:18 AM PST by McGruff (A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
have they got the DNA all every person in Iceland?

Actually, yes they do, read the article.

14 posted on 11/17/2010 8:42:25 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Is Amerindian DNA unsimilar to Greenland eskimo or arctic circle Lapps? The fact that Greenland had a thriving colony that traded with Iceland and Scandinavia during the Medieval Warm Age would make it likely for native Greenlanders to find their way to Iceland.


15 posted on 11/17/2010 8:43:33 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: a fool in paradise

Too much overblown misanthropy in the modern “science” class, that it really makes their results and data gathering suspect.


16 posted on 11/17/2010 8:43:48 AM PST by bvw
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To: Albion Wilde

Very Euro-centric. Who’s to say she didn’t get their on her own without having to be kidnapped and enslaved. Perhaps a bunch of Native Americans “discovered” Iceland and left behind some of their DNA. Since there is no historic record, it is just as possible.


17 posted on 11/17/2010 8:43:48 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
Why do they ASSUME she was a “slave”???? She may have been smitten by the exotic, manly, Nordic type!

Agree. Look at the story of Mutiny on the Bounty -- English seamen in love with Pacific Island natives and not wanting to leave them behind.

18 posted on 11/17/2010 8:47:17 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

I can’t wait for the Viking Reparations Bill to be introduced.

Who’s gonna pay it? North America? Or Iceland?


19 posted on 11/17/2010 8:47:37 AM PST by earlJam
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To: Albion Wilde

One of my ancestors was from a town in Ireland conquered by Vikings. Guess I’d better get busy and write myself a reparations check.


20 posted on 11/17/2010 8:50:04 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
have they got the DNA all every person in Iceland?

Short answer: yes they do.

A firm called Decode Genetics assembled a genetic map of the entire Icelandic population a few years back, since the family relationships of every single native Icelander are well documented and they purchased enough genetic information to generate DNA profiles for every Icelander.

There are about 300,000 Icelanders and they are all descended from the well-documented 40,000 person Icelandic population of 1800.

That group of 40,000 are descended from a group of probably no more than 4 or 5,000 who survived the Second Plague of 1495.

Pretty much every Icelander can track their complete family tree to at least that date.

21 posted on 11/17/2010 8:50:25 AM PST by wideawake
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To: McGruff; Revolting cat!

Nice pair of knees.


22 posted on 11/17/2010 8:51:28 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the ping!


23 posted on 11/17/2010 8:51:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Albion Wilde
Calm down. No one will ever know. I swear...
24 posted on 11/17/2010 8:52:41 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: wideawake

wow, interesting.


25 posted on 11/17/2010 8:52:58 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Albion Wilde

I’ll say this, someone coming to your village who is clearly not from the area but has the means and power to travel great distances is a “rock star” compared to the locals. It certainly isn’t hard to picture some woman going for a traveller.

Maybe it was an early fuller brush salesman.


26 posted on 11/17/2010 8:54:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: wolfman23601

Perhaps, but the dark hair and eyes, scant body hair, and facial shape of Amerindians still resembles Asians moreso than Europeans.


27 posted on 11/17/2010 9:00:09 AM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: wideawake

Icelandic people are fascinatingly odd.


28 posted on 11/17/2010 9:00:59 AM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: a fool in paradise

“They found a genetric trait and have already determined that the native American was enslaved and producing babies. Were the babies also enslaved as in America? Is there a recorded history of Native American slaves in Iceland being sold 1000 years ago?”

I don’t think anyone disputes that the Vikings routinely conqured people treated conquered people’s women as chattle.

I mean, that was their gig.


29 posted on 11/17/2010 9:02:06 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: wideawake
Inbreeding, that explains Bjork.

30 posted on 11/17/2010 9:03:51 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Albion Wilde

Continuing the “Evil White European” stereotype that they always enslaved peace-loving, living-in-harmony-with-nature natives wherever they landed.


31 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:13 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Albion Wilde

News we can use . . .
thanx brits


32 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:13 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: Albion Wilde
"Those Vikings got around!"

Don't tell me! Now some Vikings will be looking to open a casino here based "Indian" blood rights.

33 posted on 11/17/2010 9:16:51 AM PST by drpix
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To: Albion Wilde

Possible but also possible is that the Indian(s) went to Iceland on their own.


34 posted on 11/17/2010 9:21:23 AM PST by fso301
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To: fso301; La Lydia
Well your hypothesis has one big glaring flaw.

There is a historic record of Vikings, an ocean going people, going from Iceland to Greenland and America (Wineland).

There is no similar record of any ocean going Native Americans traveling around the North Atlantic.

35 posted on 11/17/2010 9:28:00 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: a fool in paradise

They found a genetric trait and have already determined that the native American was enslaved”

This is all made up. All they know is that the DNA is there. For all they know, and Viking brought back a native wife from one of the settlements in Greenland or Newfoundland. The article is sensationism and inherently dishonest.


36 posted on 11/17/2010 9:49:44 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: a fool in paradise; All

They found a genetric trait and have already determined that the native American was enslaved”

This is all made up. All they know is that the DNA is there. For all they know, and Viking brought back a native wife from one of the settlements in Greenland or Newfoundland. The article is sensationism and inherently dishonest.


37 posted on 11/17/2010 9:49:52 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Albion Wilde

How do we know the woman was kidnapped? Seems like an assumption that fits a perception that the America’s were a paradise and the Europeans were fully evil.


38 posted on 11/17/2010 10:24:21 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: allmendream
There is no similar record of any ocean going Native Americans traveling around the North Atlantic.

Didn't the Norse colony on Greenland fall to the Inuit in the late Middle Ages? I seem to remember the "Skraelings" invaded the island.

39 posted on 11/17/2010 10:24:47 AM PST by Claud
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To: Albion Wilde

Next thing you know they’ll start using Indian nicknames for their sports teams - the horror!


40 posted on 11/17/2010 10:26:57 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Claud
Inuit were pretty good with their coastal canoes, yet they were decidedly bereft of any ocean worthy vessels that would take them to Iceland.

Besides the technical problems, there is simply NO HISTORY of it.

When we DO have history of Vikings traveling to Greenland and Wineland (America).

Although Snorri Sturlasson didn't record them bringing back any slaves, it seems likely, considering the Viking modus operandi in Europe, that they would have.

41 posted on 11/17/2010 10:36:20 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: achilles2000

Maybe it was an Icelandic woman who got pregnant from a native American...


42 posted on 11/17/2010 11:10:00 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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To: Albion Wilde

Nothing new. If you had been keeping up with PRINCE VALIANT back in the 1970s he went to the New World, and one of his men took a wife from there.


43 posted on 11/17/2010 12:17:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: allmendream; La Lydia
Well your hypothesis has one big glaring flaw. There is a historic record of Vikings, an ocean going people, going from Iceland to Greenland and America (Wineland). There is no similar record of any ocean going Native Americans traveling around the North Atlantic.

There are a number of reports going back to Pleny the Elder of Native Americans (Skraelings as they were called by the Vikings) being blown off course onto the shores of Ireland and Europe.

44 posted on 11/17/2010 12:19:10 PM PST by fso301
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To: a fool in paradise

Since they are talking about mitochondrial DNA, it would have to have been a Native American woman who had a baby with an Icelandic man.


45 posted on 11/17/2010 12:33:01 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: DTogo
Continuing the “Evil White European” stereotype that they always enslaved peace-loving, living-in-harmony-with-nature natives wherever they landed.

My first thought, too. They couldn't imagine an adventuresome woman traveling with members of her tribe or sibling group -- oh, no. Yet my great-great aunt stowed away to come to America from Ireland, about the same distance.

46 posted on 11/17/2010 12:46:32 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: La Lydia

Since when is Iceland considered Europe?


47 posted on 11/17/2010 1:09:10 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: fso301

Reports where? Got a source for these claims?


48 posted on 11/17/2010 1:51:31 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; La Lydia
Reports where? Got a source for these claims?

Did you doubt me?

Here's Pliny describing either Lapp's or Inuit. Presumably, Inuit as the King of the Suevi (Germanic peoples of Europe) may have had some knowledge of Lapp's and not considered them worthy of being sent all the way to Rome.

The same Cornelius Nepos, when speaking of the northern circumnavigation, tells us that Q. Metellus Celer, the colleague of L. Afranius in the consulship, but then a proconsul in Gaul12, had a present made to him by the king of the Suevi, of certain Indians, who sailing from India for the purpose of commerce, had been driven by tempests into Germany13. Thus it appears, that the seas which flow com- pletely round the globe,

Pliny. Nat. 2.67

According to Bartolomé de las Casas, two dead bodies that looked like those of Indians were found on the Portuguese Flores Island in the Azores. He said he found that fact in Columbus' notes, and it was one reason why Columbus presumed that India was on the other side of the ocean.[66]

In Ferdinand Columbus' biography of his father Christopher, he says that in 1477 his father saw in Galway, Ireland two dead bodies which had washed ashore in their boat. The bodies and boat were of exotic appearance, and have been suggested to have been Inuit who had drifted off course.[67]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact#15th_century_Europe

There are plenty of other suggestions of pre-Columbian and even pre-Norse transAtlantic contact.

49 posted on 11/17/2010 4:21:33 PM PST by fso301
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To: allmendream; Claud; La Lydia; Nonstatist
Inuit were pretty good with their coastal canoes, yet they were decidedly bereft of any ocean worthy vessels that would take them to Iceland.

Besides the technical problems, there is simply NO HISTORY of it.

See post #49

50 posted on 11/17/2010 4:28:45 PM PST by fso301
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