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Communism and human nature (Bolshie Mod sez, Arise ye kittens of the earth!)
Bolshie Mod Manifesto ^

Posted on 04/05/2005 10:50:57 AM PDT by Sammy sam

Many argue that communism will never be possible because of "human nature". The essence of this false argument is the belief that a communist society would consist of an all-powerful central government that would tell everybody what to do--and would therefore undermine the creative initiative of individuals and the search for happiness.

• This argument is based on two false assumptions:

(1) It assumes that a communist society will look like the former Soviet Union, or the current China, North Korea, etc (ie: corrupt police states with a feudal-style ruling class) (2) It assumes that people will only work in order to own bigger and bigger piles of commodities.

• The truth is that: (1) There will be no government in communist society--people will do what they want without being pushed around by anyone. The development of a corrupt police state or a new ruling class will be prevented by the struggles of the masses who will be armed with the weapon of transparency. (2) In a world of abundance for all no one will have to struggle (or even work) for the necessities of life (which will be a birthright--just like the air we all breathe). People will work on projects of their own choosing because (a) they find the work fun and interesting; (b) they enjoy the work relationships with talented and dedicated co-workers; (c) they want to make the world a better place; or (d) they want social status and recognition. A world of abundance for all where work is fun (and voluntary) will be made possible by a much higher productivity of human labor.

• An example of communist work relationships is provided by the Linux computer operating system--the core of which was created by many thousands of people--all working for free. A 2nd example is the "work" involved when people post to this forum. No one gets paid to post here--but people do so--because it is an expression of their principles and convictions.

• Who is in control? Under capitalism (and previous economic systems such as feudalism and slavery) only a small fraction of the population has control over their conditions of work--and the life of society as a whole. Only under genuine communism will the masses control their conditions of work--and the culture, economy and politics of society.


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To: Slings and Arrows

:-)

Wish i could make a "Picasso" smiley!


141 posted on 04/05/2005 8:45:55 PM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Asphalt; tiamat

I added the keywords from a Mark Morford thread, just in case there's someone in the world who hasn't been offended.


142 posted on 04/05/2005 8:49:11 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Unknown)
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To: Darksheare

Good man.


143 posted on 04/05/2005 8:49:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Unknown)
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To: tiamat
Wish i could make a "Picasso" smiley!

Hmmm...

%~9

144 posted on 04/05/2005 8:52:27 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Unknown)
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To: Sammy sam

Sorry, buddy. You're too late. Somebody already tried this.

Do a search on Jim Jones and Guyana.


145 posted on 04/05/2005 9:01:32 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (In God We Trust. All Others We Monitor.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Picasso Smiley....

that works!


146 posted on 04/05/2005 9:02:07 PM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; Asphalt

Sound policy!


147 posted on 04/05/2005 9:04:48 PM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: tiamat

I was inspired.


148 posted on 04/05/2005 9:05:15 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("The Internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents..." --Unknown)
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To: MarkL

With a weapon of transparency you would be able to tell the real truth - "No Sweetie, that outfit doesn't make your butt look huge, your butt makes your butt look huge" or even "No Lambykins, your outfit is fine, it's your diet that's making your butt look that way"


149 posted on 04/06/2005 3:52:50 AM PDT by contemplator
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To: Sammy sam

I can't believe there are still people out there insane enough to think this would actually work. I have relatives who grew up in the welfare system, and I've seen up close what it does to you having society meet all your needs and not requiring you to work...
1.) they look for whatever they can get for free. its doesn't MATTER if they actually need it... its free, they take it. at least in a capitalist society, they have to pay for it, and that limits the resources they can waste.
2.) they spend a LOT of time figuring out how to avoid work. when somebody is willing to have another child so they can stay on welfare and not have to get a job, you will NOT convince me that people who have all their needs met will *choose* to do a job because its fun and interesting. who will *choose* to go down into the sewers as part of a maintenance crew??? well... you know... its so FUN and INTERESTING.
3.) with so many people avoiding work, where will all of these free resources come from? not only do socialists assume that resources are limited, but they assume that capitalists have taken more than their fair share of those limited resources... they assume that work and creativity do not create new resources, and they assume that if the capitalists would just go away, then the resources would be free for the taking... apparently with no work involved.


150 posted on 04/06/2005 5:38:45 AM PDT by AnnAdoringFan
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To: Slings and Arrows

Good man. I think we're in buisness.


151 posted on 04/06/2005 6:59:19 AM PDT by Asphalt (Three can keep a secret if two are dead.)
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To: Sammy sam

Communism can only work in an ant colony.

In an ant colony all workers work for the survival of the colony and the queen. It works because ants have no ego's.

People on the other hand like the product of their labor and they value their individual identities.

Your thinking processes are profoundly deficient.


152 posted on 04/06/2005 9:59:50 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Shopping for a new tag line.)
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To: Sammy sam

And to think that these people are taking time off of their imperialist chores of exploiting the whole world with their well oiled, bone crushing, soul destorying, jaugernaut machinery of Capitalism... just to talk to you! You, Sammy, are so fortune! Listen to them and learn!


153 posted on 04/06/2005 12:37:10 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Sammy sam
This must be his thinking....

Thus this guy is the worst troll I have ever seen.

154 posted on 04/06/2005 12:38:43 PM PDT by Thunder90
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