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Archaeology meets mythology in Mycenean Pylos (King Nestor)
Science Codex ^ | Sep 10, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 09/11/2009 6:02:06 AM PDT by decimon

Close-up of palace walls. Credit: University of Missouri-St.Louis

Pylos drain. Credit: University of Missouri-St Louis

Clearing thick brush from a mound at his archaeological dig site in Pylos, Greece, Michael Cosmopoulos found a real-life palace dating back to the mythical Trojan War.

The palace is from the Mycenaean period (1600-1100 B.C.), famous for such mythical sagas as the Trojan War. It is thought to sit within one of the capital cities of King Nestor, a personality featured in the legends of the war.

"We are thrilled, excited and fascinated at the prospect of continuing its excavation," said Cosmopoulos, the Hellenic Government-Karakas Family Foundation Endowed Professor in Greek Studies at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. "We have been searching for it since the dig started in 2006."

Other finds at the site include thousands of vases, frescoes, walls, figurines, drainage systems, offering tables and amulets.

"This is a unique site -- a place where archaeology meets ancient texts," Cosmopoulos said. "This discovery may change our perspective of how the first states were born. It appears that this was the seat of the chiefdom that was annexed by the earliest known state in Greece -- that of Mycenaean Pylos."

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: cuneiform; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; greece; greeks; iklaina; lineara; linearb; michaelcosmopoulos; mycenaean; mycenaeans; nestor; pylos; trojanwar

1 posted on 09/11/2009 6:02:07 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 09/11/2009 6:03:16 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Interesting. I'm reading Walter Burkert's Greek Religion right now, and he has a whole section devoted to the development of Minoan-Mycenaean religion prior to the Dark Age.
3 posted on 09/11/2009 6:05:30 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: decimon

Wow! Those guys had some funky looking arrows back then.


4 posted on 09/11/2009 6:23:54 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: pappyone

Indeed. Makes me quiver thinking about it.


5 posted on 09/11/2009 6:26:24 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: decimon

This dig is at Iklaina, not at Pylos itself—the palace at Pylos was discovered as long ago as 1939.


6 posted on 09/11/2009 6:26:29 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Dysart

nooooooooo!


7 posted on 09/11/2009 7:06:44 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: Dysart

Your comment makes me want to bolt this thread!


8 posted on 09/11/2009 7:20:07 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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9 posted on 09/11/2009 5:25:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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10 posted on 09/11/2009 5:25:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
So Who Is Buried in Midas's Tomb?

Grant?

11 posted on 09/11/2009 5:52:46 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I was watching an episode (there are over 500 of them) of Groucho’s “You Bet Your Life”, on which he did the “Grant’s tomb” joke many times. One of the contestants turned out to be one of Grant’s descendants. :’)


12 posted on 09/11/2009 6:39:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

and these are the same people as the Danites according to the naked guy on the History Channel, right?


13 posted on 09/11/2009 6:46:40 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: stefanbatory
Naked guy? Are you *sure* it was the History Channel?!? ;')

Anyway, dunno who that is, or what he said, but A) not to be a prude, but he should put on some clothes, and B) the Danaans of Greece were not the same as the Tribe of Dan / Danites, neither were they the same as the Tuatha de Danaan of Irish mythology. I believe I've seen both of those claimed in print at least once, but it has been a while.

In his Exodus crockumentary, Jacobovici made a half-assed effort to link the Mycenaean Greeks to the events of the Exodus by equating a carving on a M.Greek artifact with the Ark of the Covenant. Seriously, it's pretty interesting viewing, I put it in the player this morning intending to watch it tonight, before I read any of this thread. But it's best with a healthy side of natron.

History Channel: Exodus Decoded
History Channel:
Exodus Decoded

host Simcha Jacobovici,
narrator James Cameron

my Amazon review


14 posted on 09/11/2009 7:06:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: texmexis best

Well, I’m not going to fletch away from it.


15 posted on 09/11/2009 7:09:43 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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whoops, my Amazon review (other was a bad link, bad, bad link).
16 posted on 09/11/2009 7:10:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: TheOldLady

I’m sure there will be some interesting tips in this topic, and that many good points.


17 posted on 09/11/2009 7:14:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: pappyone

Notchurally.


18 posted on 09/11/2009 7:18:16 PM PDT by P.O.E. (What's up with THAT?)
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To: P.O.E.

the puns have recurved back to the beginning, it would seem...


19 posted on 09/11/2009 7:25:48 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

yeah...that’s the guy...the naked archaeologist...


20 posted on 09/11/2009 7:27:31 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: stefanbatory

Bullseye.


21 posted on 09/12/2009 5:06:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I marked this post to follow up on all those interesting-looking links today, but I get “404 not on the server” on the dozen or so I tried. How can I get to these entries?


22 posted on 09/12/2009 10:04:39 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: stefanbatory
This whole thread is reminiscent of the Pun-ic war.
23 posted on 09/12/2009 3:38:21 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: TheOldLady
Well, for one thing, that moron 'Civ needs to stop screwin' up the links list he worked up. Here's one that's improved insofar as it actually should work now. ;')
24 posted on 09/14/2009 7:53:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you, Darlin.’


25 posted on 09/14/2009 8:28:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: decimon; SunkenCiv
Other finds at the site include thousands of vases, frescoes, walls, figurines, drainage systems, offering tables and amulets.

And an autographed photo of Brad Pitt ...

26 posted on 09/14/2009 1:19:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: colorado tanker

drat...I was hoping for Carey Elwes...the only Robin Hood to speak with an Englis accent..


27 posted on 09/14/2009 1:46:18 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: stefanbatory
I thought Errol Flynn was English?? :-))
28 posted on 09/14/2009 1:59:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: decimon
Okay, just found the file again, and best of all, checked the link and it's working. :') Nice article, nice little pics.
Homer's Bones:
Can an archaeological dig in Greece
reveal the line between truth and fiction
in the Iliad and the Odyssey?

by John Fleischman
July 1, 2002
...There were tons of pottery fragments and other ancient detritus stored there. And there were animal bones, lots of them... Their remains had been excavated on April 4, 1939, in what may have been the luckiest first day in archaeological history. That day, Carl Blegen, Stocker's predecessor at the University of Cincinnati, was digging an exploratory trench through an olive grove when one of his workmen lifted a clay tablet from the soil. Lightly brushing away the dirt, Blegen saw at once that the tablet was incised in Linear B, an undeciphered script known from Bronze Age Crete and never before seen on the Greek mainland. That spring, before war closed in on Greece, Blegen raced to unearth hundreds more tablets, providing the critical mass for deciphering the script. The tablets revealed that the people of this hilltop palace wrote in an early form of Greek. Although they never named their king, Blegen became convinced that his name was Nestor.
Blegen needed to find that archive, as Evans was sitting on the first (and only other) archive of Linear B. Evans was convinced that none of the three scripts found at Knossos concealed the Greek language. Linear B was indeed cracked by Michael Ventris, who did indeed find Greek concealed there. Linear A has never been translated to the satisfaction of any scholar save the few who have claimed to have done it. :') (they mostly don't agree with one another) The glyphic script was never found in much quantity, and Linear A is believed by some to not have enough surviving examples to ever crack it, short of turning up a bilingual text.
29 posted on 09/23/2009 7:00:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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30 posted on 12/25/2015 8:30:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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