Yo Bama, BC maybe fake... (Vanity)

april 28, 2011 | rgt

[RGT]

Your birth certificate may be a fake if, . . .

. . . unlike a real BC, the first word/number on each line don't line up correctly at the left margin.

Obama's BC is a forgery because these 5 words are not flush to the left margin. Male (box 2), Kapiolani (box 6c), BARACK (box 8), 25 (box 10), STANLEY (box 13), and 18 (box 15) should all be lined up, vertically, under the word Male. They would if typed on a real typewriter.

Your birth certificate may be a fake if, . . .

. . . unlike a real BC, your BC completely ignores tab stops. A standard practice typists in 1961. Very useful when filling out forms.

Obama's BC is a forgery because these 3 words are not in alignment. African (box 9), University (box 12b), and Caucasian (box 14) should all be alignment vertically as well. They would be if typed on a real typewriter using the TAB SET and Tab keys.

Your birth certificate may be a fake if, . . .

. . . unlike a real BC typed on a real typist, the person who typed your parents names took the time to center them.

Obama's BC is a forgery because the names are centered in the space provided. Typewritten names on real BC's tend to be crowded to the left. I don't know why that is but it is nonetheless true.

Compare Obama's BC with those of Susan Nordyke and Edith Coats.

[moehoward]

"The anomaly around the “1” in the serial number."

No. You're referring to the color density? The 1 being lighter? It's because the rest of the stamp has the contrast upped by the PDF setting.

The single most peculiar thing I see in the text is the K in Kansas- box 16. Not to mention the safety paper in this box appears a little rubber stamped. It's upper portion is missing and it's noticeably higher. This could normally be explained by caps shift, but it's perfect in boxes 6c and 7d.

[bolobaby]

Your conspiracy theory could very well be valid. As Socrates would say, we can only truly know that which we do NOT know. And I don’t know for sure that there isn’t some conspiracy behind this copy he has released.

The problem is, I see no evidence of a conspiracy. The BC passes muster at this point. Please provide compelling evidence that would stand up in court that a conspiracy has taken place. THAT WOULD STAND UP IN COURT. That’s the key. Wild suspicion doesn’t cut it.

Listen: I *hate* Obama. When he was elected, I hung a flag upside on my garage with a sign that read ‘Socialism: You’ll pay for it in the end.’ I posted a picture of that on this site in 2008.

Since then, I’ve been relentless with my attacks on him. If you go back through my posting history, you’ll even see that I’ve lent some credibility to the BC issue.

BUT IT’S OVER.

No one will listen to this issue now. Unless you produce someone from the state of Hawaii who testifies that they personally were involved in the forgery and cover-up, NO ONE WILL TAKE THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY. You are only damaging yourself and the cause by making this a talking point.

Why not attack his policies? Why not attack the grossly unconstitutional actions he’s taken while in office? Why not go after the way he is driving this country into the ground?

As to the rest of your post (Clinton on), anyone who knows me would laugh. It’s the most inaccurate depiction of my behavior during the Clinton years and beyond. Baseless accusations of my past and current actions shows your desperation. You *lie* about my past in the same way Obama lies about his. You’re hardly any better than he.

[mad_as_he$$]

I was referring to the last “1” in the serial number has clearly been digitized. The other “1” has edges I would expect from a rubber stamp.

http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af314/usanevada/misc/birth-cert-fake-10641.jpg

[moehoward]

"And there is absolutely no indication...."

I wouldn't expect there to be.

Point is the WH and the AP versions are not the same. They are different sizes and even when one is scaled, then superimposed on the other they do not proportionally match. And the AP PDF, does not contain the same layers. It's layers are much more in line with what one would expect to find.

[moehoward]

I know. That 1 remains on the background layer so it retains it’s antialiasing. The rest of that number got converted in the PDF/OCR process.

Granted it’s odd that lone character was omitted.
When I tested the AP version through an OCR app. the entire 61 10641 was recognized.

[mad_as_he$$]

Interesting, thanks.

[ml/nj]

Did you ever think that maybe the AP made their own scan from a paper image the WH gave them? (I don't think I've seen this AP image unless it's the photo where someone is holding a copy printed on white paper.)

ML/NJ

[MHGinTN]

First of all, poseur, I wrote 'people like you', which is distinctly different from writing 'You' ... but one wouldn't really expect a fundamentally dishonest person to notice the difference if it didn't work for the agenda such a dishonest person were trying to foist at FR. Have you noticed how many of that ilk--fundamentally dishonest--are surfing the threads at Fr during this 'astro-turf the forgeries' season? You don't want to be lumped with that ilk now do you?

Secondly, what was touted from the White House is distinctly NOT a BC. But I can understand that too many dumbed down Americans will believe whatever the programmers feed them through CNNCBSMSNBCABCNBCFOX ... you are in large company swallowing that media koolaid.

Thirdly, you are right! ... that the issue is now a dead one, because the We The People Republic is no longer thriving in a rule of law world. Your affirmative action leader has been handed the ultimate affirmative action promotion, complete with fraudulent documents which you deign legitimate as a BC when it is a fabricated composite of data items which the affirmative action bassturd dictated he wanted on the Hawaiian state release which criminal fellows then authorized as factual. Perhaps while the socialist Abercrumbie made lots of noise, the data points were being 'Bergerized' into the data banks so this piece of selective fiction could be generated. Who knows? In fifty years, if there is still an America with FOIA, someone may find out. But the current fraudulent issuance which you choose to believe is a BC is a dead issue since there is no force on earth which will defend the rule of law with this affirmative action racist thug and his threats of race riots and billions in fire damages his minions will perpetrate. The democrat party is a well oiled criminal enterprise, complete with the measured threats that cower the feckless pubbies in their congressional chairs.

Lastly, you have the stink of an stealth obamanoid. Perhaps it's just your deodorant failing or your shower soap is losing its punch, but looking at you posting history on this issue has a disgusting surrender mentality to it. Freepers--real Freepers who pay to keep this site open not poseurs pretending to be conservatives until ordered by their masters to sow discord and mischracterizations--can do several tasks at the same time and do them well. Until you mature to that level, well, you're going on my ignore list now.

[muawiyah]

The computer was invented to handle the US Census. It helped a lot.

I think you can't quite imagine the mountain of records kept by the US government ~ huge, huge, huge.

It's mind boggling. USPS, which is only a small part of the government had enormous files of stuff just for its business customers (who use special services all the time, have permits, and pay by check into advanced deposit accounts). There are about 7 million such customers.

Imagine what the aggregate count was for Change of Address Orders during the Obama Recession (which is still taking place). Millions of unemployed people moving all over the country ~ and many multiple times. That file is stupendously large, but fortunately it's all electronic.

USPS was able to hold its basic employment levels FLAT from about 1969 to 2004 ~ in the face of rising mail volumes and huge numbers of records ~ through the simple expedient of putting computers to work doing everything that could be converted to a computer process.

Just talking about this with a close associated and I've come to the opinion that if there's any "forgery" in this I probably know the forger ~ and she's a retired Postal Inspection Service employee.

Not likely anyone outside would have the breadth of experience or technical knowledge to figure out every little thing that you have to do to make a process like this look normal and legitimate.

I'll call her and ask her if she's forging this stuff (soon as I can find out where she lives).

Now, about State Department people losing stuff ~ they probably lied about it, but they are not as technically advanced as USPS ~ except for the CIA part ~ but they don't tell you about that stuff or what they know. I can say I've never heard of CIA losing a President's records.

So, let me toss this back to you ~ do you think the State Department would lie? (/s) ~ that "s" is for "snork" and "snicker".

[KYGrandma]

I worked at a bank in the late 60’s and every check or loan form was typed the same. We had the margin numbers set and tabs set, so you didn’t have to space forward. You just hit the tab button. All my documents looked the same. And yes, as obsessive compulsive, I centered those tabs.

[muawiyah]

Check a phone directory in Florida. Call almost any doctor. They'll make a referral for you to some retired doctor who signed BCs somewhere.

However, you are asking a question about Hawaii practices.

The Aloha state is a bit more laid back than you'd imagine. Plus, the long distance calls are expensive.

I don't have to work in a doctor's office to find out what their standards of practice are. We are talking about a center that specialized in maternity, and another center that specialized in filing public health records. You can study that field at Northern Virginia Community College and/or George Mason University in this area. You will meet people there who will teach you about Medical Records ~ you will improve your vocabulary learning hundreds of medical terms. Medical records management around here in our top level hospitals (which are the best in the United States) is pretty much the job of two kinds of folks ~ records management specialists and computer systems specialists.

I doubt your typical doctor knows all that much about it although they have had to learn how to use their computer terminals to record prescriptions given to patients, and to check on their schedules (with yet other non doctors doing the appointment scheduling).

Have you been in a hospital lately?

[moehoward]

"Did you ever think that maybe the AP made their own scan from a paper image the WH gave them?"

I don't know what the process was. Did the WH hand out copies at some presser? Maybe. For all we know the AP version was downloaded or issued from the WH as well.

[muawiyah]

Glad to hear that ~ you made it much easier for the blind or those with failing eyesight (we have TENS of millions of such folks). It’s much easier to read the info in the center of the box than at the margins of the box where “noise” from the borders can cause trouble.

[muawiyah]

http://www.computersciencelab.com/ComputerHistory/HistoryPt2.htm There’s this part in there about the Census Bureau offering a prize for an improved method. That you had no idea about that has led me to lead you to a decent history so you can know what every other educated person in the world knows.

[bolobaby]

“A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.”

Winston Churchill

Happy foaming!

[bolobaby]

The reason the "1" remains separate is probably due to a slight variation in shade.

Take a close look at those digits. They're from one of these old stamps doohickies:

It would be very easy for any column of numbers to get LESS ink on one of those stampers than the others. More some with the right-most numeral, since that would change for each stamping. (The other numbers would pick up more ink since they are struck against the pad repeatedly as the sequence of numbers is stamped out.)

So, in this case, if someone was stamping a stack of these, it's highly probable that the "1" simply received less ink, and was therefore slightly lighter when the digits were applied. It is also possible that the stamp was not applied to the paper perfectly vertical, thereby causing the right side to come out slightly less light.

Now, depending on the sensitivity of your scanner, the slight change in shade could scan the other digits as BLACK and the "1" as a dark gray. On the gray-scale, it gets anti-aliasing, but black doesn't. (Which would give dark black a sharper appearance on scanned images - a desirable quality.)

So, in conclusion, I don't think the difference in the number "1" means anything. In fact, if you look carefully through the document, you'll even see anti-aliasing applied in a few places to text and lines on the original form - that is, very slight differences in color/shade leading the scanner to scan those as gray and the other lines as black.

If this is a forgery, they did all the work necessary to make it nearly 100% bullet-proof. We should move on and keep the pressure up on his POLICIES or risk being marginalized. Watch these FR threads closely: you'll see many thoughtful Freepers moving away from the BC issue and a few fanatics holding on in desperation. Watch the politicians and pundits - even Trump has accepted it. Obama has been right about only one thing: this BC issue is a distraction.

[Mr. K]

go away libtard troll

your lame attempts to prove you know something are just not working

You have been outed

[ILS21R]

If this is a forgery, they did all the work necessary to make it nearly 100% bullet-proof.

Well they had 2 1/2 years. And still failed. It's a ridiculous forgery that was already pulled and replaced at the White House Website.

[bolobaby]

Again - I’m not seeing any compelling evidence that this is a forgery. If someone posts some compelling evidence that can’t be handled with a simple, common-sense explanation, I’ll buy in.

I would have loved for this to be another Dan Rather, fake-but-accurate moment. But it’s not.

Also, just as a further comment on the different shading of the number “1”, look at the label in box 7e. Same scanning artifacts on several letters there. Would there have been a reason to doctor that label? I think not...

[moehoward]

Of course. Either less pressure was used on the right side of the stamp, inadequate ink, or a combination.

"Now, depending on the sensitivity of your scanner..."

That's just one of many variables. Tweaking it there can cause the scan to pick up too much information and fill in smaller characters. Where the problem lies though is not with the scanning. It's whatever settings/options are chosen for output to PDF. That's where the harsh digitization of some of the letters happened that is causing all this chatter.

Remember the other day Obama was crying about not having cooler phones and gadgets in the Oval Office? I'll bet a steak dinner this PDF was produced by some hapless intern on a cheap all in one printer/scanner/fax deal.