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DNA Shows that KV55 Mummy Probably Not Akhenaten [Smenkhare]
KV-64 blog ^ | Tuesday, March 2, 2010 | Kate Phizackerley

Posted on 03/02/2010 7:00:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv

If we identify the KV55 mummy as Smenkhare and assume that Akhenaten remains missing, we can add Akhenaten and Nefertiti into the family tree, while retaining KV55 (Smenkhare) as the father of Tutankhamun as shown by the Hawass team. It's tempting to consider that KV21B and the Younger Lady are also daughters of Akhenaten and Nefertiti. While not essential for my revised theory, this would neatly fit historical facts. In considering whether the DNA data would fit the revised family tree, it seems appropriate to consider that KV21B and the Younger Lady may also have been daughters of Akhenaten and Nefertiti as this represents the tightest constraint. That is, if the DNA data fits an assumption that these two queens/princesses were also daughters of Akhenaten and Nefertiti then if they aren't daughters the theory wouldn't be invalidated.

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KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; akhenaten; amarna; ancientautopsies; catastrophism; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; immanuelvelikovsky; kv21; kv35; kv55; nefertiti; smenkhare; smenkhkhare; velikovsky
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Who Was Who Among The Royal Mummies
by Edward F. Wente
Seti II is an interesting case, because he should belong to the Nineteenth Dynasty line, being the grandson of Ramesses II and son of Merenptah. Elliot Smith in his catalogue of the royal mummies had already noted in 1912 that Seti II does not at all resemble the orthognathous heavyjawed pharaohs of the Nineteenth Dynasty, but bears a striking resemblance to the kings of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Smith's observations, which were not made with the aid of x-rays and computer analysis of craniofacial variation, nonetheless were those of a person with considerable experience in examining human remains. Subjected to Jim's more sophisticated approach using cephalometric x-ray tracings and cluster analysis, this mummy was found to be most similar in craniofacial morphology to the mummies of Thutmose II and III. In other words, Seti II was not Seti II. The confusion between Seti II and Thutmose II may have been occasioned by the similarity of their prenomens when written in the hieratic script.

Since the identification of Thutmose I was already seriously in doubt, there would be room to insert the Seti II mummy into the first half of the Eighteenth Dynasty. This possibility sent me to reevaluate the dockets supposedly identifying the mummy of Thutmose II. On the mummy the orthography of the king's name was not without ambiguity, while on the coffin the scribe had originally written the prenomen of Thutmose I and then altered it to Thutmose II's. Since the mummy identified as Thutmose II was older at death than the Seti II one, and from historical considerations we believe that Thutmose I died at an older age than Thutmose II, the end result of this part of our inquiry was to suggest that the Thutmose II mummy really belonged to Thutmose I and the Seti II mummy to Thutmose II, while Thutmose III has possibly been correctly identified. I say "possibly" because the shroud of Thutmose III, which has been used to identify the mummy, was discovered not wrapped around the body but simply folded on top of the mummy, which itself bore no clear identification...

The craniofacial morphology of the mummy labeled Amenhotep III also made it difficult to place in the position he should occupy as son of Thutmose IV. Of the mummies in the collection only the one supposed to be Amenhotep II is a suitable candidate to have been the father of the Amenhotep III mummy. Over the years Jim became increasingly intrigued by the Amenhotep III mummy, because it is one of the most severely battered of the royal mummies, having suffered postmortem injuries of a very violent nature, more than what tomb-robbers generally inflicted upon the mummies in search of precious items. Since the publication of the x-ray atlas further study of this mummy has been undertaken by Jim and Dr. Fawzia Hussein, Director of the Anthropological Laboratory of the National Research Center, Cairo; and it has been ascertained that the skull is two standard deviations too large for his body, and its craniofacial characteristics are consonant with sculptured portraits of Akhenaten... What may be said on the basis of the biologic evidence of craniofacial variation is that the mummy labeled as Amenhotep III by the restorers was not a likely father, or even grandfather, of Tutankhamun... [W]e suggest that Thutmose IV was the paternal grandfather of Tutankhamun, a conclusion consonant with a literal reading of the text on the Oriental Institute astronomical instrument, and that Amenhotep III was his maternal grandfather. In other words, Tutankhamun was the offspring of a marriage between a son of Thutmose IV and a daughter of Amenhotep III.

1 posted on 03/02/2010 7:00:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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One of *those* topics, oh yeah...
 
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2 posted on 03/02/2010 7:01:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Must be someone elses mummy.


3 posted on 03/02/2010 7:02:26 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool. I dig Egypt, not literally but..

If true this could be the Mummy we have all been looking for.. or not. 8-]


4 posted on 03/02/2010 7:03:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Chuck DeVore - CA Senator. Believe.)
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To: Larry Lucido

"Are you my mummy?"

5 posted on 03/02/2010 7:07:30 PM PST by Redcloak (Messin' up threads since 1998)
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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. a verse found with the mummy in KV55:
I inhale the sweet breath that comes from your mouth
I contemplate your beauty every day.
It's my desire to hear your lovely voice
like the north wind's whiff.
Love will rejuvenate my limbs.
Give me your hands that hold your soul,
I shall embrace and live by it.
Call me by name again, again, forever,
and never will it sound without response.
I'm looking for another file, regarding the "dueling Nefertitis" probably familiar to most due to that travesty of a show on Discovery Channel a few years back.
Anatomy Of A Mummy
by Joyce M. Filer
Volume 55 Number 2
March/April 2002

"An anatomical examination cannot identify the individual, but it can provide information useful in evaluating the theories various scholars have proposed. The human remains from Tomb 55, as presented to me, are those of a young man who had no apparent abnormalities and was no older than his early twenties at death and probably a few years younger. If those wanting to identify the remains with Akhenaten demand an age at death of more than mid-twenties, then this is not the man for them. As an obviously younger individual, some people might like to identify the remains as belonging to the mysterious Smenkhkare."
Okay, yeah, so, it's not the size of the hard drive that matters...
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6 posted on 03/02/2010 7:09:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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King Tut’s Father ID’d in Stone Inscription
Discovery News | Wednesday, December 17, 2008 | Rossella Lorenzi
Posted on 12/21/2008 1:39:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2152351/posts


7 posted on 03/02/2010 7:11:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: SunkenCiv

if they’d all had Obamacare, they might still be alive


8 posted on 03/02/2010 7:12:54 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: SunkenCiv

where’s the birth certificate? (snicker)


9 posted on 03/02/2010 7:29:34 PM PST by silverleaf
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To: NormsRevenge
If true this could be the Mummy we have all been looking for.. or not. 8-]

But, if not not, then maybe so; but, then again, maybe not, after all.

Just speculumating...

If they really want to dissect these family trees, they should first consult a mink breeder, though even that isn't entirely foolproof, as there are breedings that even they draw the line at.

10 posted on 03/02/2010 7:50:47 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a One Worlder hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created rope)
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To: terycarl; SunkenCiv
if they’d all had Obamacare, they might still be alive

They'd have to be,, in order to pay for it.

11 posted on 03/02/2010 7:52:23 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a One Worlder hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created rope)
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To: SunkenCiv

I LoVE when Dr. Hawass goes on a rant against the UFO “Believers” who insist the Great Pyramid was built by Space Aliens!

LOL.


12 posted on 03/02/2010 8:01:57 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: left that other site

Don’t you be diss’n Minister Farroutkhan!


13 posted on 03/02/2010 8:08:24 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a One Worlder hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created rope)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Yo,Bro,Yo gon Cap me fodat? LOL

Do we need an Ebonics Interpreter?


14 posted on 03/02/2010 8:13:08 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: SunkenCiv

Call in the dogs and pee on the fire, the hunt’s over.

Last weekend on the History channel, Hawass’ team in a new DNA lab identified a mummy as Ankhennaten.


15 posted on 03/02/2010 8:41:47 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

kv55 had nothin` in common with Tutenkamen.


16 posted on 03/02/2010 8:47:21 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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To: wildbill
Last weekend on the History channel

You mean they worked a little History in between loggers and gangbangers?

17 posted on 03/03/2010 1:02:20 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

Velikovsky was right!


18 posted on 03/03/2010 3:14:48 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: colorado tanker

Isn’t it a shame what they have done to the History Channel.

So much of their programming nowadays has little or nothing to do with history.

I can deal with the ice road guys and loggers and gangbangers. At least, some of them are actual documentaries—but the Nostradamus stuff gets old.


19 posted on 03/03/2010 5:21:21 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Damned right! :’)


20 posted on 03/03/2010 5:47:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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