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Stone Age toe could redraw human family tree
http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/mg21128254.000-stone-age-toe-could-redraw-human-family-tree.html ^ | Wednesday, August 10, 2011 | Colin Barras

Posted on 08/12/2011 5:44:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The Denisova cave had already yielded a fossil tooth and finger bone, in 2000 and 2008. Last year, Pääbo's DNA analysis suggested both belonged to a previously unknown group of hominins, the Denisovans. The new bone, an extremely rare find, looks likely to belong to the same group...

The primitive morphology of the 30,000 to 50,000-year-old Denisovan finger bone and tooth indicates that Denisovans separated from the Neanderthals roughly 300,000 years ago. At the time of the analysis, Pääbo speculated that they came to occupy large parts of east Asia at a time when Europe and western Asia were dominated by Neanderthals. By 40,000 years ago, Homo sapiens was also moving around much of the region. But the Denisovans remain known only from the finger and tooth fossils -- not enough information to formally assign them to their own species.

That may change with analysis of the newly discovered toe bone. It was found in the same layer of the cave floor as the finger bone, by Maria Mednikova at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow... her studies show the finger and toe bones belonged to distinct people. In addition, the toe bone is stocky and its shape is somewhere between that of a modern human and a typical Neanderthal.

Others are less convinced. Erik Trinkaus at Washington University in St Louis, Missouri, who has written extensively on hominin foot bone morphology, says the bone's sturdy appearance is interesting but inconclusive from a taxonomic perspective... Pääbo is fast building a reputation for revealing Homo sapiens' promiscuous past. He has shown that humans and Neanderthals interbred, as did humans and Denisovans.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: denisovans; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; multiregionalism; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; sourcetitlenoturl
Stone Age toe could redraw human family tree

1 posted on 08/12/2011 5:44:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

2 posted on 08/12/2011 5:44:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 08/12/2011 5:46:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish."

- Walter Sobchak

4 posted on 08/12/2011 5:48:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: SunkenCiv

Seriously, very interesting article. :)

I read this when it was linked through Archaeology Magazine’s news page the other day.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 5:51:05 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: SunkenCiv

One bone does not a species make


6 posted on 08/12/2011 5:52:11 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: SunkenCiv
I'll wait for peer review and other finds. Why are there so many that want to tear down humanity like Obama destroying Americanism? Some still believe in Nebraska man because they saw it in a diagram. This is just another theory.
7 posted on 08/12/2011 5:54:06 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Call for Mr Morris...paging Dick Morris.


8 posted on 08/12/2011 5:54:55 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: SunkenCiv

If the bones of a person with birth defects, like the elephant man, had been found in a cave, and analyzed by some of the people who like to jump to conclusions about “new discoveries”, then the elephant man would’ve been described as an entirely new species of humans.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 6:04:22 AM PDT by adorno
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To: SunkenCiv

That taxomimy is offensive. I am NOT french!


10 posted on 08/12/2011 6:31:50 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: bert

Gideon Mantell would disagree...


11 posted on 08/12/2011 6:38:00 AM PDT by stormer
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To: mountainlion
Why are there so many that want to tear down humanity like Obama destroying Americanism?
Is that directed at me?


12 posted on 08/12/2011 6:49:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: adorno

Rudolph Virchow said the same thing about Neandertal — his eventually deteriorated into claiming that the remains were of a 17th c Cossack with rickets. It didn’t hold up, and in fact, it didn’t make any sense even then.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 6:51:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Constitution Day

I had buddies who died face down in the mud so we could enjoy this family restaurant!


14 posted on 08/12/2011 6:51:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Constitution Day

I’ve been a little remiss on posting GGG topics, and this summer has been a rich one for such articles.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 6:52:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
I can't tell from that chart how closely related the French are to humans.
16 posted on 08/12/2011 6:53:24 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: adorno

You hit the nail on the head.

Thank you.


17 posted on 08/12/2011 6:53:46 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: SunkenCiv
Is that directed at me?

NO! Science seems to be on a mission to tear apart humanity whether is is energy, evolution, global warming...

18 posted on 08/12/2011 6:58:43 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Is that directed at me?

"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the **** do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK."

19 posted on 08/12/2011 7:27:16 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Constitution Day

One of my top five comedies of all time. I’m laughing pretty hard right now.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 7:41:24 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: SunkenCiv
20 posts and no Helen Thomas picture yet?
Wow, this place is slipping.
21 posted on 08/12/2011 7:42:57 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: SunkenCiv
>>> Stone Age toe could redraw human family tree

And just imagine the excitement when they find the nose.


22 posted on 08/12/2011 7:45:33 AM PDT by tlb
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To: SunkenCiv
It has been said...

Pääbo is very wily.
23 posted on 08/12/2011 7:45:54 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: Sawdring

:) I would say it’s in my top five as well!

‘Blazing Saddles’ is #1.


24 posted on 08/12/2011 7:53:43 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: SunkenCiv

Very much so!


25 posted on 08/12/2011 8:03:02 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: mountainlion

That’s just B.S.


26 posted on 08/12/2011 8:35:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: decimon

:'D
Google

27 posted on 08/12/2011 8:37:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tlb

That was predicted by Nostrildamus.


28 posted on 08/12/2011 8:38:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sounds like a Russian Piltdown Man.


29 posted on 08/12/2011 8:48:24 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: bert

One bone does not a species make

One tooth made Nebraska man! At least until it turned into a pig tooth.


30 posted on 08/12/2011 8:50:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: adorno

I’ve heard speculation that the Elephant Man might have been a one-of and had Elepahnt Man’s Desease. Because his skeleton was boiled before it went on display, no DNA remains. Too bad.


31 posted on 08/12/2011 8:51:20 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: SunkenCiv

“has written extensively on hominin foot bone morphology” - another damn graffiti artist.


32 posted on 08/12/2011 9:15:41 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SunkenCiv
One of my favorite sites is Technology Review by MIT. I like hard science. Global warming, environmentalism and for the most part evolution are more hype than fact. They are theory built on theory on theory... Fraud and hoax damage the science in these areas. Hard science can be repeated over and over. Theory is easily replaced by another theory.
33 posted on 08/12/2011 9:24:27 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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34 posted on 08/12/2011 11:30:35 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: adorno

I always thought they should have remains of at least a couple of individuals from different locations before they start naming species.


35 posted on 08/12/2011 2:36:55 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: mountainlion

Science is a method, not a body of knowledge. It’s a very good method for figuring out things formerly unknown via the syllogism.

OTOH, global warming is entirely political in origin and is sustained by politics only.


36 posted on 08/13/2011 7:35:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: pabianice; mountainlion

Piltdown Man was a deliberate fraud; Nebraska Man wasn’t a fraud, it was a misidentification that wasn’t used to argue in favor of a primitive American hominid by its discoverer, or by anyone else until so-called creationists created the straw man version of Nebraska Man. That happened because creationism is, like global warming, a political scam being passed off as science.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_nebraska.html
http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie020.html


37 posted on 08/13/2011 7:42:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
I choose Creationism. I have personal experience in the supernatural and there is something there that can not be explained by evolution. I choose to believe that I came form God and have hope for a good afterlife and not hopelessness of coming from green slime with no hope or direction.
38 posted on 08/14/2011 7:15:30 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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