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Solving the Mysteries of Short-Legged Neandertals
Science News ^ | October19, 2011 | Johns Hopkins Center of Functional Anatomy and Evolution

Posted on 10/29/2011 2:43:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

"Studies looking at limb length have always concluded that a shorter limb, including in Neandertals, leads to less efficiency of movement, because they had to take more steps to go a given distance," says lead author Ryan Higgins, graduate student in the Johns Hopkins Center of Functional Anatomy and Evolution. "But the other studies only looked at flat land. Our study suggests that the Neandertals' steps were not less efficient than modern humans in the sloped, mountainous environment where they lived."

Neandertals, who lived from 40,000 to 200,000 years ago in Europe and Western Asia, mostly during very cold periods, had a smaller stature and shorter lower leg lengths than modern humans. Because mammals in cold areas tend to be more compact, with a smaller surface area, scientists have normally concluded that it was the region's temperature that led to their truncated limbs compared to those of modern humans, who lived in a warmer environment overall.

However, Higgins' group adds a twist to this story. Using a mathematical model relating leg proportions to angle of ascent on hills, he has calculated that Neandertals on a sloped terrain would have held an advantage while moving compared to their long-legged cousins, the modern humans. Because the area Neandertals inhabited was more mountainous than where modern humans tended to live, the researchers say that this assessment paints a more accurate picture of the Neandertals' efficiency of movement as compared to humans. "Their short lower leg lengths actually made the Neandertals more adept at walking on hills," explains Higgins.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

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Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

1 posted on 10/29/2011 2:43:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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KEYWORDS: neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 10/29/2011 2:46:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthals


3 posted on 10/29/2011 2:47:14 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SunkenCiv

cool.


4 posted on 10/29/2011 2:51:15 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not only that but the Cro Magnons won all the basketball championships.


5 posted on 10/29/2011 2:52:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek

But the neanderthals dominated the limbo competitions.


6 posted on 10/29/2011 2:56:22 PM PDT by Decombobulator
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7 posted on 10/29/2011 2:57:12 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m 5’2, used to walk to school with two sisters who were 5’12. I was the faster, easier walker - running might have been a different story.

Everything else being equal - it usually isn’t.


8 posted on 10/29/2011 3:00:33 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Neanderthals, vs. the Cromagnons...... Colt evened the playing field. Kudos to my short statured ancestors who had the common sense in bringing a gun to a spear fight.........


9 posted on 10/29/2011 3:03:47 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: SunkenCiv

maybe they didn’t need to have long legs and arms to reach the TV controls.. they didn’t have stands back then.. just a guess. or it could have been tight fitting levis,,uhh genes :-)


10 posted on 10/29/2011 3:05:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Dorf was a Neandertal


11 posted on 10/29/2011 3:08:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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To: SunkenCiv
So...why is it that I favor thos long-legged red haired ladies?

We are Neanderthals.

12 posted on 10/29/2011 3:10:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Unfortunately there was no “petite” section back then and they spent a FORTUNE on alterations.


13 posted on 10/29/2011 3:15:25 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthals were the first to domesticate a wild animal, the Side-Hill Wampus.


14 posted on 10/29/2011 3:19:15 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: SunkenCiv

Cue latest Robert Reich video in 3.....2.....1.....


15 posted on 10/29/2011 3:22:35 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Short cave men have no reason,

short cave men have no reason to live!

16 posted on 10/29/2011 3:25:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This article finally explains the success of the American poison dwarf, Giftswerg robertus reicccchhhisus.


17 posted on 10/29/2011 3:45:11 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: blam

So...why is it that I favor thos long-legged red haired ladies?

We are Neanderthals.

May I note:

Neaanderthals may prefer the red haired, but gentlemen prefer blonds.

Ducks and runs for cover .........


18 posted on 10/29/2011 3:47:12 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Were they below 4’10” in height? If so, they would qualify as midgets.

I bet the Sasquatches back then used those Neanderthals in their local dwarf tossing leagues!


19 posted on 10/29/2011 3:47:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Birthing children was easier for the shorter compact Neanderthal females. Breech births (legs first) were also more easily accommodated and if childbirth came while standing or walking - the baby didn’t have so far to fall.


20 posted on 10/29/2011 3:48:29 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature. Newt - knowledge is power.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This article makes them sound like dwarves out of a Tolkien book. Weren’t they more similar to the vikings?


21 posted on 10/29/2011 3:49:01 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: SunkenCiv

This explains their extinction.
I postulate that one of their short legs was shorter than the other—from humping the hills.
When they came down to flatlands, they stumped around in a circle until they starved to death.
(I expect credit for this theory.)


22 posted on 10/29/2011 3:49:11 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: bunkerhill7; SunkenCiv

I wonder if the Side Hill Wampus is related to the Vari-legged Jackalope of the Paleolithic Texas Hill Country. It resembled a large jackrabbit mated to an antelope.

The Jackalope had legs on one side that were longer than the legs on the other side. As a result, they could run up hills in a circular manner, leaving distinctive spiraling paths worn into the hills over time.

Alas, the Jackalope was destined for extinction. They were one of Nature’s experiments that failed the test of evolution because having once attained the crest of a hill due to the perfect conformation of its physical parts for that particular job, they could find no way to retreat down the hill and expired on the crest.


23 posted on 10/29/2011 3:51:05 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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24 posted on 10/29/2011 3:55:46 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m sorry but I couldn’t help it......

a short legged Neanderthal named nick
couldn’t help stepping on his prick
to save him this trouble
he bent it up double
and no longer fears it a lick


25 posted on 10/29/2011 4:15:32 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..posted from the great river road)
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To: heartwood

Your sisters were 5’12” and your horses were 14 hands 4 inches:)


26 posted on 10/29/2011 4:16:45 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals had been proven to be species apart from man by DNA testing?


27 posted on 10/29/2011 5:06:37 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Basket ball players spend lots of time on flat surfaces so their legs grew longer (and their pants grew shorter).


28 posted on 10/29/2011 5:35:18 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: runninglips

Nope.


29 posted on 10/29/2011 6:10:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert

;’)


30 posted on 10/29/2011 6:16:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Hey, who doesn’t? ;’)


31 posted on 10/29/2011 6:20:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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:’D


32 posted on 10/29/2011 6:23:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Domestic Church

They were a bit stockier than living folks are, had a bigger brain case, made their clothing, fished, hunted, cooked food, etc etc. :’)


33 posted on 10/29/2011 6:26:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: sodpoodle

You’ve touched it — the likelihood is, Neandertal females had babies with Cro-Magnon males, it probably wouldn’t have worked the other way.


34 posted on 10/29/2011 6:27:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

They didn’t farm.


35 posted on 10/29/2011 7:46:42 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: SunkenCiv

63” tall, 32” inseam.

Ain’t got that problem.

:-P


36 posted on 10/29/2011 8:05:57 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: runninglips
"I thought Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals had been proven to be species apart from man by DNA testing?"

Most recent testing show that European and most Asians are 2-4% Neanderthal DNA.
Africans have none.

37 posted on 10/29/2011 9:16:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Short-Legged Neandertals

I think they're Neandersmalls

38 posted on 10/29/2011 9:27:58 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: Salamander

Sure, but you ambushed that dog! ;’)


40 posted on 10/30/2011 1:38:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Domestic Church

They may have farmed, but given the climate in Europe (under glaciers) during much of their heyday, evidence for their settlements and domiciles will have to be looked for on the continental shelf.

Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil [ dredged up from the North Sea ]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2272129/posts


41 posted on 10/30/2011 1:46:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cold Heart

It’s hard enough for girls to be that tall without actually calling it six feet. They were five twelve.


42 posted on 10/30/2011 8:06:12 PM PDT by heartwood
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