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Modern flint expert 'reverse engineers' Neanderthal stone axes... our ancestors were...
Daily Mail ^ | January 24th, 2012 | Rob Waugh

Posted on 01/26/2012 8:19:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Researchers at the University of Kent have recreated the processes Neanderthals used to produce sharp flint axes, and found that our ancestors were skilled engineers.

A modern-day 'flintknapper' replicated the sharpening processes that Neanderthals used to create tools -- a sort of modern 'reverse engineering' of ancient techniques in use by three kinds of early 'hominin' including Neanderthals as early as 300,000 years ago.

The researchers found that Neanderthals could shape 'elegant' stone tools -- shaping them to be hard-wearing, easily sharpened and with a perfectly balanced centre of gravity.

The reproduction of how Neanderthals worked shows that it is unlikely that stone flakes used in the tools could have been shaped by accident -- and that our ancestors intentionally 'engineered' stone cores to create tools fit for their jobs.

Dr Metin Eren, Leverhulme Early Career Fellow at the University's School of Anthropology and Conservation and the flintknapper who crafted the tools, said: ... 'The sophistication evident in their tool-making suggests cognitive abilities more similar to our own than not.'

The researchers say that our ancestors 'designed' tools to be hard-wearing, easily sharpenable and have a centre of gravity that meant they were easily usable.

Dr Stephen Lycett, Senior Lecturer in Human Evolution and the researcher who conducted the laboratory analysis of the tools, commented: 'Mobility is a factor in the lives of all hunter-gatherer populations, including Late Pleistocene hominins...

'The symmetry and evenly distributed thickness of Levallois flakes would also align the tool's centre of mass with the tool's motion during use, making them ergonomically desirable.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals

In before the self-identifying "Neandertals were monkeys" morons arrive.
Dr Metin Eren flintknapping stone tools: The researchers say that it's unlikely our evolutionary predecessors shaped tools by accident -- and instead shaped flint to be hard-wearing and have a good centre of gravity.
our ancestors were clever, elegant craftsmen our ancestors were clever, elegant craftsmen <

1 posted on 01/26/2012 8:19:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
KEYWORDS: neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
2 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is an important discovery for the future of technology.
I’m calling venture capitalists first thing tomorrow morning.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Get ready for some third-rate thread hijacking trolls.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:22:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Revolting cat!

That won’t look so funny after Zero’s second term.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:25:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neanderthals had a technology that was so elegant it lasted essentially unchanged for 100,000 years.

I consider the fact that process specs I wrote 20 years ago are still in use a MAJOR accomplishment.

100,000 years. That’s humbling.


6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:35:23 PM PST by null and void (Day 1101 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: SunkenCiv
The reproduction of how Neanderthals worked shows that it is unlikely that stone flakes used in the tools could have been shaped by accident -- and that our ancestors intentionally 'engineered' stone cores to create tools fit for their jobs.[emphasis added]

I call BS...they were NOT our ancestors...the best data we have at this time says that Asians and Europeans owe between 1.5% and 4% of their genomes to Neanderthals. I had myself tested, and my percentage is 2.7%, compared to the average of 2.6% for my comparator population (northern European).

When I told some of my friends of the Neanderthal finding for me, they all said things similar to "Well, THAT explains a lot." With friends like these...

7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:35:29 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neandertals were monkeys.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 8:50:47 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: humblegunner

Neanderthals & tools.

You are both so here is a ping.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 8:54:46 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Eaker

LOL! Perfect!


10 posted on 01/26/2012 8:57:41 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Eaker

Luv it!!


11 posted on 01/26/2012 8:59:59 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SunkenCiv
...found that our ancestors [referring to Neanderthals] were skilled engineers.

Neanderthals were not Homo Sapiens (our species), Cro-Magnons were, thus the latter were our ancestors and not the former.

12 posted on 01/26/2012 9:30:08 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: luvbach1; Pharmboy
You guys should have read the article before commenting.

"Three types of prehistoric hominin -including Neanderthals - could produce the flakes, which were manufactured across Euroepe, Western Asia and Africa as early as 300,000 years ago."

13 posted on 01/26/2012 10:23:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Did read the article. At one point it still referred to Neanderthals as our ancestors. We probably had a common ancestor.; that is, for the evolutionist among us, somewhat scarce on FR.


14 posted on 01/27/2012 1:51:23 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: luvbach1
At one point it still referred to Neanderthals as our ancestors.

That is false. It did not.

15 posted on 01/27/2012 2:00:07 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s kind of what I was thinking. We will have to revive many of the lost skills that our forebears had.


16 posted on 01/27/2012 3:14:22 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: 1010RD

Eve was Neanderthal


17 posted on 01/27/2012 4:22:12 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: TigersEye

I do see what you mean, but this sentence [”The reproduction of how Neanderthals worked shows that it is unlikely that stone flakes used in the tools could have been shaped by accident — and that our ancestors intentionally ‘engineered’ stone cores to create tools fit for their jobs.”] seemed pretty specific.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 5:03:14 AM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: bert

I thought Cain was.


19 posted on 01/27/2012 6:00:37 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: null and void
"I consider the fact that process specs I wrote 20 years ago are still in use a MAJOR accomplishment."

Considering the way technology has been improving at an accelerating pace for the past 150 years or so, so do I. [admires nully!]

20 posted on 01/27/2012 8:03:50 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SunkenCiv; Eaker; humblegunner

I like Neanderthals bumpity bump!


21 posted on 01/27/2012 8:12:22 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SunkenCiv

"One word: flint."

22 posted on 01/27/2012 12:37:06 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Pharmboy
I think I see the problem. I didn't read that as one sentence. The author put a hyphen in the middle of a line which read to me as more than one sentence or thought being mashed together from the source document. Maybe that's not what the writer was doing but it looks like poor shorthand by a hack journalist copying from a scientist's paper. I see it in several places.

So I concede. As chopped up as the writing is I don't know how either one of us can say for sure what the writer meant.

23 posted on 01/27/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SunkenCiv

"Flint knapping, really? It's so much easier to go to WalMart".
24 posted on 01/27/2012 6:38:42 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: TigersEye

“I think I see the problem. I didn’t read that as one sentence.”

Thats the Neanderthal genotype manifesting, apparently.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 6:58:57 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: headsonpikes

If you knew me in person you would be speculating on how much non-Neanderthal DNA I possessed. ;^) lol


26 posted on 01/27/2012 7:02:37 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Rebelbase

Neandertals were never caught knapping.


27 posted on 01/27/2012 7:04:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: colorado tanker

I went to high school with these guys!


28 posted on 01/27/2012 7:10:47 PM PST by Reily
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To: colorado tanker

I went to high school with these guys!


29 posted on 01/27/2012 7:11:02 PM PST by Reily
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To: SunkenCiv

Maybe not but now we know they liked big flakes.


30 posted on 01/27/2012 7:23:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Pharmboy

What is the name of the test which determines those percentages for a particular individual?

Does it also tell you where your ancestors were from?


31 posted on 02/04/2012 7:13:24 AM PST by DNA.2012
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To: colorado tanker
"One word: flint."

LOL! "The Pleistocene Graduate"! :-)

32 posted on 02/04/2012 7:20:58 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: DNA.2012
What is the name of the test which determines those percentages for a particular individual?

Does it also tell you where your ancestors were from?

Genographic Project Participation Kit for U.S. and Canada

33 posted on 02/04/2012 7:24:17 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: luvbach1
Neanderthals were not Homo Sapiens (our species), Cro-Magnons were, thus the latter were our ancestors and not the former.

Current genetic research indicates that Europeans had Neanderthals among their ancestors. In other words, Neanderthals interbred with the out-of-Africa CroMags to produce the non-African races of Man.

34 posted on 02/04/2012 7:38:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: DNA.2012

www.23andMe.com is what I have used. For $99.00 you get disease risks, traits, carrier state and genographic data on maternal, paternal and autosomal lines. Also, you can easily download the data and use it elsewhere. Worth it...[Disclaimer: I have no financial interest whatsoever in 23andMe]. Good luck!


35 posted on 02/04/2012 9:36:36 AM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: COBOL2Java

:-))


36 posted on 02/04/2012 11:22:47 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Pharmboy

Thank you, I will check that out.


37 posted on 02/04/2012 2:20:31 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: PapaBear3625
Neanderthals interbred with the out-of-Africa CroMags to produce the non-African races of Man.

Yes, there's some evidence of interbreeding but not enough to prove Homo Sapiens evolved from Neanderthals. Also, with due respect, are you suggesting that the "out-of-Africa CroMags" were black or Negroid because I don't think at that early stage there is evidence that they were. And didn't the spread of out-of-Africa hominids occur before the advent of Cro-Magnon man?

38 posted on 02/06/2012 10:40:28 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: luvbach1
Yes, there's some evidence of interbreeding but not enough to prove Homo Sapiens evolved from Neanderthals.

I'm not saying that H.Sap evolved from Neanderthals, I'm just recounting that there is some genetic research that suggests that there was interbreeding between early "anatomically modern humans" and Neanderthals with respect to those of European/Asian descent, but no genetic indication of Neanderthal genes in black Africans. In other words, Neanderthals and H.Sap diverged from their common ancestor, but for Europeans and Asians there was some degree of re-merging later.

are you suggesting that the "out-of-Africa CroMags" were black or Negroid

I have no idea what the "out-of-Africa CroMags" looked like with respect to skin color. I would imagine that neither modern sub-Saharan Africans nor modern Europeans look that much like their common ancestor with respect to skin color. I would think that a human living in East Africa and hunting during the day would need a fairly dark complexion to not burn in the sun.

39 posted on 02/06/2012 11:10:41 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

neandertal ping
Important find: These six paintings of seals were discovered in the Nerja Caves near Malaga, Spain. They are at least 42,000 years old and are the only known artistic images created by Neanderthal man

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2097869/The-oldest-work-art-42-000-year-old-paintings-seals-Spanish-cave.html#ixzz1loRJk4w9


40 posted on 02/08/2012 9:43:47 AM PST by Viiksitimali
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