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Massive ice wall may have blocked passage for first Americans [they came by boat]
Live Science ^ | March 21, 2022 | Charles Q. Choi

Posted on 03/27/2022 7:52:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

An icy barrier up to 300 stories high — taller than any building on Earth — may have prevented the first people from entering the New World over the land bridge that once connected Asia with the Americas, a new study has found.

These findings suggest that the first people in the Americas instead arrived via boats along the Pacific coast, researchers said...

Based on stone tools dating back as much as 13,400 years, archaeologists had long suggested that people from the prehistoric culture known as the Clovis were the first to migrate from Asia to the Americas. Prior work regarding the age of the ice-free corridor suggested it might have served as the migration route for Clovis people.

However, scientists have recently unearthed a great deal of evidence of a pre-Clovis presence in North America. For example, in 2021, 60 ancient footprints in New Mexico suggested humans were there about 23,000 years ago, and in 2020, archaeologists discovered stone artifacts in central Mexico that were at least 26,500 years old...

To help solve this mystery, researchers sought to pinpoint when the ice-free corridor opened. They investigated 64 geological samples taken from six locations spanning 745 miles (1,200 kilometers) along the zone where the ice-free corridor was thought to have existed.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


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To: SunkenCiv

“Winter is coming”


41 posted on 03/27/2022 12:33:53 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: SunkenCiv

Wouldn’t that be something for conditions to exist where they could be held accountable for the ruin they are causing.


42 posted on 03/27/2022 12:41:07 PM PDT by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: SunkenCiv

Those are obviously not the ones who claim to have “always been here” then? Which was the concept you put forth and I was responding to. Did I misunderstand what you first stated? Because this is a whole different ball of wax here...


43 posted on 03/27/2022 12:45:58 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind
I'm not sure why you fail to understand things and blow things all out of proportion.

44 posted on 03/27/2022 12:48:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Track9

...where glacial ice was all you had.

I used to sport fish out of Valdez, Alaska. When we got into the Columbia Glacier ice fields we would grab some floating glacier ice for the cooler. It kept the beer and bait cold much longer than man-made ice!


45 posted on 03/27/2022 12:52:33 PM PDT by 43north (Its hard to stop a man when he knows he's right and he keeps on comin'.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I am simply replying back to you, you who approached us first, concerning what you stated. Did I read this wrong? Or did you actually mean something other than what it reads? If you actually meant something other than what you said then I stand corrected.

“Those who claim “they” have always been here, that their ancestors were made in the Americas, and didn’t come from anywhere else.”


46 posted on 03/27/2022 12:55:58 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: 43north

My experience too. Light blue ice. Hard as a rock. Like you said. Floating around


47 posted on 03/27/2022 1:35:42 PM PDT by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: Track9

My favorite was the chunks of clear ice. It was hard as a rock and would last at least 4 days in the cooler. I always figured that the clear ice was formed under the most pressure. The white or blue pieces never lasted as long.


48 posted on 03/27/2022 5:42:44 PM PDT by 43north (Its hard to stop a man when he knows he's right and he keeps on comin'.)
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To: 43north

I doubt the doomsday glacial melt junkies account for these factors.


49 posted on 03/27/2022 5:57:46 PM PDT by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: SunkenCiv
Re: 10,000 year old Pesse canoe

I should have specified sea worthy water craft that could have carried food, tools, and other life necessities.

Re: Flores Island has 800,000 year old artifacts

The earliest known humans in Africa date from 200,000 years ago, so Flores Island must have a WAY bigger mystery than what happened to the missing boat.

50 posted on 03/27/2022 10:08:41 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Disagreements abound. :^)

Canoes are seaworthy, and the only thing they had to carry was the occupants with their skills. It wasn’t a pleasure trip.

Earliest known humans at 200K ago is and always has been British-born out-of-Africa nonsense.


51 posted on 03/28/2022 7:12:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
My comment was specifically about the Pesse canoe, which has about three inches of free board and would have flooded and capsized in the north Pacific Ocean within one day.

Also, a Bering Strait explorer would need hunting and dressing tools, wood and fire tools, bedding, shelter from wind, rain, and carnivorous animals, a fresh water container, etc.

Finally, multiple studies have established a clear genetic link between northeast Asia and the earliest known tribes in North America.

Pesse canoe:

Boomstamkano van Pesse, Drents Museum, 1955-VIII-2.jpg

52 posted on 03/28/2022 8:40:41 PM PDT by zeestephen
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