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Blood Type History, Human Migrations (Blam Thread)
USC ^ | July 01, 05 | Dennis O'Neil

Posted on 07/03/2005 1:47:49 PM PDT by Little Bill

I have been interested in human migrations for many years. One of the markers of a population is the distribution of a blood type among a given population.

I got interested in this because the blood type distribution in the UK is nearly 50/50 A/O, a small sample has other blood types.

My dear old Ma is Black Irish and is A/B, not a common blood type in the part of Ireland where her family originated.

Click on the link for distributions.


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KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; blamthread; bloodtypes; dna; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; migration; unwashedminions
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I was on the phone with my Step Father, a old time North Ender, who does not want old Ma to be a descendant of the walk about, lay about govenment, good job, good benes types.
1 posted on 07/03/2005 1:47:50 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill

Just read a very interesting mystery novel, they can tell from analyzing the strontium in your teeth and bones where you grew up, and were you lived for the last few years of your life.

Kathy Reichs was the author, pretty good read. Fair warning: it takes place in Quebec!


2 posted on 07/03/2005 1:51:21 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv; blam

Pingy


3 posted on 07/03/2005 2:04:01 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill; JimSEA; muawiyah
Distribution of Blood Types

Blood provides an ideal opportunity for the study of human variation without cultural prejudice. It can be easily classified for many different genetically inherited blood typing systems. Also significant is the fact that we rarely take blood types into consideration in selecting mates. In addition, few people know their own type today and no one did a century ago. As a result, differences in blood type frequencies around the world are most likely due to other factors than social discrimination. Contemporary Japan is somewhat of an exception since there are popular Japanese stereotypes about people with different blood types. This could affect choice in marriage partners for some Japanese.

All human populations share the same 27 known blood systems, although they differ in the frequencies of specific types. Given the evolutionary closeness of apes and monkeys to our species, it is not surprising that some of them share a number of blood typing systems with us as well.

When we donate blood or have surgery, a small sample is usually taken in advance for at least ABO and Rh systems typing. If you are O+, the O is your ABO type and the + is your Rh type. It is possible to be A, B, AB, or O as well as Rh+ or Rh- . You inherited your blood types from your parents and the environment in which you live can not change them.

We have learned a good deal about how common each of the ABO and RH blood types is around the world. It is quite clear that the distribution patterns are complex. Both clinal and discontinuous distributions exist, suggesting a complicated evolutionary history for humanity. This can be seen with the global frequency patterns of the type B blood allele (shown in the map below). Note that it is highest in Central Asia and lowest in the Americas and Australia. However, there are relatively high frequency pockets in Africa as well. Overall in the world, B is the rarest ABO blood allele.

Distribution of the B type blood allele in native populations of the world

At 10-35% frequency in most populations of the world, the A blood allele is more common than the B allele. The highest frequencies of A are found in small, unrelated populations, especially the Blackfoot Indians of Montana (30-35%), the Australian Aborigines (many groups are 40-53%), and the Lapps, or Saami people, of Northern Scandinavia (50-90%). The A allele apparently was absent among Central and South American Indians.

Distribution of the A type blood allele in native populations of the world

The O blood type (usually resulting from the absence of both A and B alleles) is very common around the world. It is particularly high in frequency among the indigenous populations of Central and South America, where it approaches 100%. It also is relatively high among Australian Aborigines and in Western Europe (especially in populations with Celtic ancestors). The lowest frequency of O is found in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, where B is common.

Distribution of the O type blood in native populations of the world

The distribution patterns for the Diego blood system are even more striking. Evidently, all Africans, Europeans, East Indians, Australian Aborigines, and Polynesians are Diego negative. The only populations with Diego positive people may be Native Americans (2-46%) and East Asians (3-12%). This nonrandom distribution pattern fits well with the hypothesis of an East Asian origin for Native Americans.

Conclusion

These patterns of ABO and Diego blood type distributions are not similar to those for skin color or other so-called "racial" traits. The implication is that the specific causes responsible for the distribution of human blood types have been different than those for other traits that have been commonly employed to categorize people into "races." Since it would be possible to divide up humanity into radically different groupings using blood typing instead of other genetically inherited traits such as skin color, we have more conclusive evidence that the commonly used typological model for understanding human variation is scientifically unsound.

The more we study the precise details of human variation, the more we understand how complex are the patterns. They cannot be easily summarized or understood. Yet, this hard-earned scientific knowledge is generally ignored in most countries because of more demanding social and political concerns. As a result, discrimination based on presumed "racial" groups still continues. It is important to keep in mind that this "racial" classification often has more to do with cultural and historical distinctions than it does with biology. In a very real sense, "race" is a distinction that is created by culture not biology.

4 posted on 07/03/2005 2:13:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill

Pretty interesting stuff. I am A+ (German, English, Irish background), as are both my parents.


5 posted on 07/03/2005 2:14:15 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Little Bill

Interesting. Thanks for posting!


6 posted on 07/03/2005 2:15:04 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Little Bill

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. Learn something new around here every day. Thanks for posting, LB.


7 posted on 07/03/2005 2:37:57 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: Little Bill
My latest favorite human migoratory map is based on the DNA studies of Professor Stephen Oppenheimer. Click on it below, you'll like it, it's an excellent map.
Notice that he shows a human entrance into the Americas at 25,000 years ago to Meadowcroftand then they become isolated during the Last Glacial Maximum(LGM)

The Journey Of Mankind

8 posted on 07/03/2005 2:41:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Little Bill for the topic, although I'm a little jealous that Blam has his own topics. ;') To all -- Please ping me when you see articles appropriate for a GGG ping.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list -- Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc. The GGG Digest -- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

9 posted on 07/03/2005 2:48:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ('Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.' -- Vint Cerf)
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To: SunkenCiv

very interesting.

i'm o. my mo' is 3/4 osage + cherokee.


10 posted on 07/03/2005 2:53:24 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Little Bill

I'm AB+ and my mom was AB-. My grandfather, an immigrant escaping persecution and barely literate, is believed to be from western Asia. It certainly fits this model. Thanks for info, it's interesting reading.


11 posted on 07/03/2005 2:54:41 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: blam

Is that O+ and O-?


12 posted on 07/03/2005 2:57:01 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: conservative cat

I am O+, English, Irish, Scots, the area of England that my family inhabited was a Saxon strong hold, Wessex. My dear ex was Lithuanian, had the Mongol spot, was also O+, most of my Lithuanian pals are B+, as are most Slavs, strange.


13 posted on 07/03/2005 2:57:28 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill
Other "genographic" threads
14 posted on 07/03/2005 2:58:00 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv
I always think of these as Blam threads, back to when Bill first started posting. You have done an excellant job of recording our wild speculations, who knows we may be right.

Keep up the good work.

15 posted on 07/03/2005 3:09:54 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: ken21

Thanks. Here's a semi-relevant sidebar.

The human blood type genes are on chromosome nine. Type A seems to be the fountainhead, as the codominant B sequence is similar to A, and is about 15 per cent of the world population, while A is approximately 40 per cent. Type O is otherwise identical with the sequence for A, just missing the first base pair. Also there is something called (I think) Bombay syndrome, which is nearly the same as A, and tests positive for A using common blood tests, but isn't quite compatible, so an A transfusion will kill someone with Bombay syndrome.

Kind of a "gotcha".

There is also the MN family, which resides in the same chromosome, but isn't part of the ABO family. Not a huge percentage of the world population has it. M and N are codominant within that system, and I'm not sure what happens with the (probably rare) intermarriages with ABO people.


16 posted on 07/03/2005 3:14:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ('Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.' -- Vint Cerf)
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To: Little Bill

:') Quite agree! "Big Bill" has been at this on FR for a long time.


17 posted on 07/03/2005 3:20:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ('Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.' -- Vint Cerf)
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To: SunkenCiv
...and then, we have:

The Blue People Of Troublesome Creek

"What he got from Martin Fugate was dark blue skin. "It was almost purple," his father recalls."

18 posted on 07/03/2005 3:21:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Is this prevalent among people who live on the edge of civilization, remnant types. If you look at remnant types they have a tendency to have odd markers.


19 posted on 07/03/2005 3:24:09 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: blam
In a very real sense, "race" is a distinction that is created by culture not biology.

I'm sure the Orientals would get a good chuckle over this statement.

20 posted on 07/03/2005 3:25:26 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Little Bill
A book you might be interested in: History and Geography of Human Genes by Luca Cavalli-Sforza :)
21 posted on 07/03/2005 3:25:40 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SunkenCiv

My appearance, my known heritage, and my blood type (B) do not corelate well. I guess my redhaired neandertal roots are showing.


22 posted on 07/03/2005 3:28:33 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Little Bill
I don't know what my blood type is but I look like this guy.

Sean O'Keefe

23 posted on 07/03/2005 3:30:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

probably part viking! (/s)

when the vikings were pillaging the islands.


24 posted on 07/03/2005 3:35:39 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Little Bill

AB+ here. Irish/Scots/Welsh/English


25 posted on 07/03/2005 3:39:03 PM PDT by redhead
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To: blam

Hubby was 100% Czech, and his blood type was O+. From the map, it looks like it's a sure thing for him. That would also mean that about 90% of the full-blooded Czechs who live in this area are also Type O. Interesting...


26 posted on 07/03/2005 3:43:26 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Scooter1994
"Anyone who has a positive blood type is a mongrel. You test positive for alien DNA."

Kewl!! I always knew I was DIFFERENT!!!

28 posted on 07/03/2005 3:44:41 PM PDT by redhead
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To: blam

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/bruegel/harvesters.jpg

What we look like.


29 posted on 07/03/2005 3:47:46 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill
You've gotta see The Blue People Of Troublesome Creek. Blam posted that link, and shows once again why he deserves to have his own topics. ;')

Type O means coding for no blood protein (this is a separate issue from Rh factor), and given its apparent mutation from A, O is a newer type (those books about "Eating Right for Your Blood Type" notwithstanding), as is B, and of course Bombay syndrome. AB results from a mating of A and B (one from each parent), and is about 5 per cent of the population That 40/40/15/5 breakdown doesn't take into account the MN family of course.

MN comes from the Indian subcontinent somewhere. Probably Blam's SundaLand refugees were MN, arrived there, and are now nearly extinct. :'D
30 posted on 07/03/2005 3:50:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ('Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.' -- Vint Cerf)
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To: Little Bill

I'm a B. Mom's an O.


31 posted on 07/03/2005 3:51:26 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: ValerieUSA

Heh... leave it to you to make trouble.

Weirdly enough, everyone has hemoglobin.

You'd think that females would have shemaglobin.


32 posted on 07/03/2005 3:53:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ('Power corrupts and PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.' -- Vint Cerf)
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To: Scooter1994

Every time, do you have a problem with sexual inadequacy, do you belong to a D blood type. Go away.


33 posted on 07/03/2005 3:54:19 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill

Where exactly did your AB mother live in Ireland? I'm AB-, my mother's family came from Ireland but I don't know which county and have no clue where to start looking.Thanks!

I looked at the linked maps and cannot see ABs in Ireland at all.


35 posted on 07/03/2005 4:00:38 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: redhead
"AB+ here. Irish/Scots/Welsh/English"

English And Welsh Are Races Apart


36 posted on 07/03/2005 4:01:33 PM PDT by blam
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To: Little Bill
"What we look like."

Beautiful picture. Is that you laying under the tree?

37 posted on 07/03/2005 4:04:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: Veto!

Armagh, right down the hill from Tara.


38 posted on 07/03/2005 4:05:55 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: blam

Very interesting story.
I'll pass it on to all of my blue friends.


39 posted on 07/03/2005 4:05:59 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Little Bill

Thanks! 8>)


40 posted on 07/03/2005 4:06:49 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: SunkenCiv
" Probably Blam's SundaLand refugees were MN, arrived there, and are now nearly extinct. :'D"

Hmmm. Not so sure. I think a lot of us came from there. The data to support that speculation is not in yet. LOL.

41 posted on 07/03/2005 4:08:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yep, you only have to supervise those that need it, notice the whip under the left leg.
42 posted on 07/03/2005 4:12:06 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill

*BUMP* ! for later study . . .


43 posted on 07/03/2005 4:19:12 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ValerieUSA; redhead
Celtic Found To Have Ancient Roots

"The researchers' method even dates the fork points in their language tree, although the dates have a wide range of possibility. The initial splitting of Indo-European in Europe occurred around 8100 B.C., give or take 1,900 years, and the divergence between the continental and British versions of Gaelic took place in 3200 B.C., plus or minus 1,500 years, they calculate."

The oldest paper ever found (in China) had Tocharian written on it. Tocharian A & B is an extinct Indo-European language that is related closest to ancient Celtic. (Source: Professor Victor Mair)

44 posted on 07/03/2005 4:29:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: Scooter1994

Dang! I knew I was a purebred!
B- blood type.

German/Dutch descent.


45 posted on 07/03/2005 4:29:56 PM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: blam

Very interesting. Not what one would expect by language distribution either except slightly in central Asia.


46 posted on 07/03/2005 4:33:09 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: blam

Never heard of Diego blood system!

My husband and I are both B+ and so are our kids.


47 posted on 07/03/2005 4:38:05 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: blam

here's my theory
A=Adam
B=Eve
AB=Cain/Able decendents
O= Noah's decendents

....'''...'''...:~)


48 posted on 07/03/2005 4:41:02 PM PDT by ELEFTARIA
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To: JimSEA
"Not what one would expect by language distribution either except slightly in central Asia."

Yup. Blood types and DNA are more reliable indicators than language though.

49 posted on 07/03/2005 4:52:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: djf
Mongrel here I guess.
B+
Father's side Prussian.
Mother's side French.
With a huge mix of other Euro trash thrown in.
50 posted on 07/03/2005 5:13:34 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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