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First Americans May Have Been European
LiveScience.com ^ | 2/19/06 | Bjorn Carey

Posted on 02/19/2006 9:08:52 PM PST by anymouse

ST. LOUIS—The first humans to spread across North America may have been seal hunters from France and Spain.

This runs counter to the long-held belief that the first human entry into the Americas was a crossing of a land-ice bridge that spanned the Bering Strait about 13,500 years ago.

The new thinking was outlined here Sunday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

The tools don’t match

Recent studies have suggested that the glaciers that helped form the bridge connecting Siberia and Alaska began receding around 17,000 to 13,000 years ago, leaving very little chance that people walked from one continent to the other.

Also, when archaeologist Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution places American spearheads, called Clovis points, side-by-side with Siberian points, he sees a divergence of many characteristics.

Instead, Stanford said today, Clovis points match up much closer with Solutrean style tools, which researchers date to about 19,000 years ago. This suggests that the American people making Clovis points made Solutrean points before that.

There’s just one problem with this hypothesis—Solutrean toolmakers lived in France and Spain. Scientists know of no land-ice bridge that spanned that entire gap.

The lost hunting party

Stanford has an idea for how humans crossed the Atlantic, though—boats. Art from that era indicates that Solutrean populations in northern Spain were hunting marine animals, such as seals, walrus, and tuna.

They may have even made their way into the floating ice chunks that unite immense harp seal populations in Canada and Europe each year. Four million seals, Stanford said, would look like a pretty good meal to hungry European hunters, who might have ventured into the ice flows much the same way that the Inuit in Alaska and Greenland do today.

Inuit use large, open hunting boats constructed from animal skins for longer trips or big hunts. These boats, called umiaq, can hold a dozen adults, as well as several children, dead seals or walruses, and even dog-sled teams. Inuit have been building these boats for thousands of years, and Stanford believes that Solutrean people may have used a similar design.

It’s possible that some groups of these hunters ventured out as far as Iceland, where they may have gotten caught up in the prevailing currents and were carried to North America.

“You get three boats loaded up like this and you would have a viable population,” Stanford said. “You could actually get a whole bunch of people washing up on Nova Scotia.”

Some scientists believe that the Solutrean peoples were responsible for much of the cave art in Europe. Opponents of Stanford’s work ask why, then, would these people stop producing art once they made it to North America?

“I don’t know,” Stanford said. “But you’re looking at a long distance inland, 100 miles or so, before they would get to caves to do art in.”


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So when do we take back the casinos? :)
1 posted on 02/19/2006 9:08:55 PM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse

Well in that case we can put Columbus back in a position of honor.


2 posted on 02/19/2006 9:09:54 PM PST by Eighth Street (Who do you hate more? Muslims who want to kill you or the Libs who want to sell you out to them?)
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To: anymouse
The politically correct crowd won't like this at all and fully reject it.
3 posted on 02/19/2006 9:10:22 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping?


4 posted on 02/19/2006 9:11:58 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: anymouse

I dislike sloppy writing. Of course, the author means "what is now Spain and France."


5 posted on 02/19/2006 9:13:25 PM PST by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: anymouse

Who were the French running away from way back then?


6 posted on 02/19/2006 9:14:06 PM PST by digger48
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To: anymouse
why, then, would these people stop producing art once they made it to North America?

Because people struggling for survival in the wilderness on an uninhabited continent don't produce art.

7 posted on 02/19/2006 9:18:12 PM PST by LucyT (It's 72 white grapes; it never was 72 virgins: http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=7)
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Thanks Daralundy. Blam posted a topic about this a while back, so this won't be pinged, but will wind up in the GGG catalog. Or, perhaps it's time for another ping. Yeah, sure, why not?

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8 posted on 02/19/2006 9:20:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: anymouse

So does this mean, the next time I fill out a job application, I can refer to myself as a "Native American?"


9 posted on 02/19/2006 9:20:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: digger48

Some European names for the first Native Americans?
Big Chief Government
Surren-Deer
Whining Bear

Any others?


10 posted on 02/19/2006 9:22:28 PM PST by TimeLord (A whale fetus is a whale; a human fetus is a blob.)
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To: anymouse
First Americans May Have Been European

No sh$t!!

11 posted on 02/19/2006 9:22:57 PM PST by p23185
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh course they were and the johnny-come-lately Asians, massacred them all and now want to hide that fact!


12 posted on 02/19/2006 9:24:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dfwgator
So does this mean, the next time I fill out a job application, I can refer to myself as a "Native American?"

The forms I've seen lately, mostly govt forms, now list "American Indian" or somesuch.

Before, I checked off Native American every chance I got. Hell, I was born here.

13 posted on 02/19/2006 9:25:41 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: anymouse
for crying out loud, do we have to go through one of these threads every month? Okay, the White Man is smart and did a lot of good (and screw ups too) and discovered the whole world. Now leave it alone.
14 posted on 02/19/2006 9:27:09 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: anymouse


Just wait until open minded, accepting and tolerant professors from universities across the country hear this. They're going to be SO PISSED.


15 posted on 02/19/2006 9:28:28 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: anymouse

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16 posted on 02/19/2006 9:29:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: dfwgator

Why not, Ward Churchill did!


17 posted on 02/19/2006 9:29:19 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: LucyT

Good answer... Also worth noting is that the people who did the boating, hunting and fishing were not necessarily the same people who made the cave paintings. Specialization had advantages, even in early human societies. Or did they all do everything? Some Americans build jet planes. So, if a small company of American hunters were to be stranded in a remote area, would they be expected to build jet planes there?


18 posted on 02/19/2006 9:31:08 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. It's too late for me to go looking for those posts.


19 posted on 02/19/2006 9:32:49 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
Okay, one more

Vintage Skulls

20 posted on 02/19/2006 9:35:09 PM PST by blam
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To: Ruth A.

IIRC, these people left there before the modern French had reached what is now France and made surrender into an art form.


21 posted on 02/19/2006 9:35:57 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: blam; nopardons

Thanks Blam.

Vintage Skulls
Archaeology Magazine | March/April 2003 | Colleen P. Popson
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22 posted on 02/19/2006 9:39:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: TimeLord

I drink firewater and speak with forked tounge.


23 posted on 02/19/2006 9:41:05 PM PST by skimask (The United States Marine Corps is, quite frankly, the finest fighting force on God's earth.)
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To: anymouse; Californiajones

I recall reading of this link on another thread in the Religion forum. They'll have a hard time proving European descent from artifacts when there is DNA evidence to support otherwise. My point is NOT to start a discussion about mormonism but it was part of the thread I found it on and I felt the comment at the bottom was useful in supporting the use of the link as the link didn't seem to have anything to do with the article.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mormon16feb16,1,6504171.story?page=1&cset=true&ctrack=1&coll=la-headlines-california

DNA PROVES MORMON FAITH BASELESS -- NATIVE INDIANS HAVE NO JEWISH BLOOD -- DNA CAME FROM ASIA


24 posted on 02/19/2006 9:41:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: digger48
Who were the French running away from way back then?

Large predators with poor senses of smell or taste. ;-)

25 posted on 02/19/2006 9:45:52 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat said he always knew Mark Dayton was a flake)
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To: Zeppo

Well put.


26 posted on 02/19/2006 9:47:55 PM PST by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: anymouse

Long ago, Oscar Wilde said America was discovered before 1492, "but it was hushed up."


27 posted on 02/19/2006 9:53:02 PM PST by sine_nomine (Every baby is a blessing from God, from the moment of conception.)
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To: anymouse

Wait til Mecha hears this.


28 posted on 02/19/2006 10:01:54 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: anymouse; All
It’s possible that some groups of these hunters ventured out as far as Iceland, where they may have gotten caught up in the prevailing currents and were carried to North America.

“You get three boats loaded up like this and you would have a viable population,” Stanford said. “You could actually get a whole bunch of people washing up on Nova Scotia.”

You'd have to get quite a bit further west (Greenland) to get in the prevailing currents to end up in Nova Scotia.


29 posted on 02/19/2006 10:15:03 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: Zeppo
"Also worth noting is that the people who did the boating, hunting and fishing were not necessarily the same people who made the cave paintings."

Conservatives hunted. Liberals painted.

30 posted on 02/19/2006 10:50:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A preliminary report from some of the Kennewick man researchers is supposed to be released this month


31 posted on 02/19/2006 10:51:24 PM PST by ansel12
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To: anymouse

When I learned about Indians coming from the Bering Strait as a kid, I never believed it. Too simplistic for me. I tend to believe that the first Americans came by boat from the South Pacific and went north. The second wave would be from Europe, Cro-Magnon man. I remember reading Mayans, Incas, and Mapuches have the same rate of Rh negative blood as Basques, Celts, Guanches, and Berbers. In fact, when Spaniards encountered Incas, they reported seeing faired skinned and red haired people among Incas. They also found red haired mummies in Peru.


32 posted on 02/19/2006 11:11:54 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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To: metmom
They'll have a hard time proving European descent from artifacts when there is DNA evidence to support otherwise.
That doesn't appear to make any sense, because the artifacts don't have DNA (presumably; I'd guess Og's skin cells probably flaked off while using the tools, but are unlikely to have been preserved).
Tangled strands of time
by G.A. Clark
Arizona Republic
Friday August 8, 1997

original, extinct link
...the work of the Paabo team is evaluated uncritically by Stringer and McKie in their article, essentially because it tends to support their biases and preconceptions about modern human origins. Other interpretations are possible. It should be noted first that molecular clock models are full of questionable assumptions. Leaving aside differences of opinion about the rate of base pair substitutions, how to calibrate a molecular clock, and whether or not mitochondrial DNA mutations are neutral, the fact that the Neanderthal sequence (and it should be kept in mind that there is - to date - only one) differs from those of modern humans does not resolve the question of whether or not moderns and Neanderthals were different species... A more convincing test of the implications of the Paabo data would be to sequence mitochondrial DNA from an unambiguously modern early European or better yet from alleged archaic and modem human fossils from the Israeli cave sites of Skhul and Qafzeh (supposedly modern) and Kebara and Tabun (supposedly Neanderthal). If the Israeli fossils all show differences with modern humans of the same order of magnitude of those between Neanderthal and moderns, that would be compelling evidence that all Upper Pleistocene hominids diverge from moderns by about the amount (evidence for continuity), and that the distinction between Neanderthals and moderns in the Levant at least is utterly without foundation... Those who would argue - like Stringer and Mickie - that Neanderthals became extinct without issue must show how it could have occurred without leaving traces of disjunction in the archaeological record and in the fossils themselves.

33 posted on 02/19/2006 11:14:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: sine_nomine

Very witty, Wilde. ;')


34 posted on 02/19/2006 11:14:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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Instead, Stanford said today, Clovis points match up much closer with Solutrean style tools, which researchers date to about 19,000 years ago. This suggests that the American people making Clovis points made Solutrean points before that. There’s just one problem with this hypothesis -- Solutrean toolmakers lived in France and Spain. Scientists know of no land-ice bridge that spanned that entire gap.
The other problem is the gap in time between Solutrean points and Clovis, but that will be solved in the coming years as archaeologists dig deeper, and possibly as they explore the continental shelves.
35 posted on 02/19/2006 11:17:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: ansel12

I'm sure we'll see it posted soon.


36 posted on 02/19/2006 11:19:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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To: fish hawk
Who cares who got here first. What gets under my skin is how much modern man underestimates ancient man.

I suspect the ancient's brain had pretty much the same abilities as ours and their knowledge concerning the world they lived in, was in a way, just sophisticated as ours.

We are not big risk takers because we don't have to be, but we see Cubans risking their lives on a regular basis to get here and other peoples do the same. I would think ancient man would take similar risks. I think it's just logical to assume that ancient man would look for a better place to live if need be.

37 posted on 02/19/2006 11:22:37 PM PST by lizma
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38 posted on 02/19/2006 11:29:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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Diego blood system
by Dennis O'Neil
a human blood typing system in which there are 2 distinct types: Diego positive and Diego negative.  An individual inherits a Diego type from his or her parents and does not change it throughout life.  Apparently, the only people in the world who are Diego positive are some Native Americans and East Asians.
There is also the MN system (which is separate from ABO, but very rare; so rare, I've never found anything online, although I've not tried lately) and a mutation from A called Bombay Syndrome (this may not be the correct name).
39 posted on 02/19/2006 11:33:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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Modern Human Variation: Distribution of Blood Types
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40 posted on 02/19/2006 11:34:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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corrected URL (didn't notice it was there before I clicked Post):

http://www.bloodbook.com/african.html


41 posted on 02/19/2006 11:36:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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To: anymouse
Eventually, we're going to have to admit two things about the history of man - - - - -

1. We know exactly squat about what man was doing, let alone how and where, in any period more than 5,000 years ago.

And 2. What we've been trying to tell ourselves for the last 1,500 years what went on in the distant past is not only egregiously wrong, but has obscured what did go on and hampered our ability to see the truth.

There's just too damn many Zahi Hawas' in the world spreading lies in the name of political correctness.

42 posted on 02/19/2006 11:59:29 PM PST by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: dfwgator
Actually I used Native North American Caucasian. That way I hit the Native American and Black designations. Heck I was born here, legally, so I'm a native. Everyone now has to be tied to a continent like Asians and Africans so we are North Americans. Since Black describes a race, well I am not white, I am Caucasian. I have the same right to create my group as does any other group. Right now I should apply for minority status. Wow would that break off a couple of sharp sticks.
43 posted on 02/20/2006 12:21:28 AM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: anymouse

No way, they were Chinese!


44 posted on 02/20/2006 12:24:06 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: fish hawk
for crying out loud, do we have to go through one of these threads every month? Okay, the White Man is smart and did a lot of good (and screw ups too) and discovered the whole world. Now leave it alone.

Undeniably brought the world the best system of government and justice - even if in some parts of the world is at first only appied to him.

45 posted on 02/20/2006 12:26:03 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: TimeLord
Some European names for the first Native Americans?

Big Chief, Government, Surren-Deer, Whining Bear

Any others?

I would be careful with insulting names since most of you guys are the offspring of European immigrants (-no matter if they went to America 13.000 or 50 years ago).

Warm greetings from "old" Europe

46 posted on 02/20/2006 12:26:57 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Alright, tell us about the "O" blood type...and all the other ones while you are at it...if you would please.


47 posted on 02/20/2006 12:28:07 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: metmom

What amazes me about this entire issue of migrations is that todays pc crowd insists on only one group or another having migrated to North America. As we should know, man in general is always curious. This fact would alert us to the distinct possibility of many groups arriving here during the past thousands of years. It is a distinct and probable. Oceans have been used for a long time, and most societies had some kind of boatcraft. But, Columbus is rightly credited, since his was the voyage which seemed to have staying power.


48 posted on 02/20/2006 12:51:31 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: dread78645

Looking a current map.

Obviously it would have been easier to travel via the North Equatorial Current. This is what Columbus did, no doubt earlier man did it too. Easy to travel up rivers along the Gulf Coast and end up in all kinds of places. Or get blown to the East Coast of Florida and travel up to the Carolinas and Virginia.


49 posted on 02/20/2006 1:35:18 AM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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Looking a current map.

Obviously it would have been easier to travel via the North Equatorial Current. This is what Columbus did, no doubt earlier man did it too. Easy to travel up rivers along the Gulf Coast and end up in all kinds of places. Or get blown to the East Coast of Florida and travel up to the Carolinas and Virginia.

My reply to a FReepmail:

> Maybe this is too dumb to put on the board; but if they left Spain, drifted ...

Not dumb at all, that's the route Columbus made.

But heading out to blue water means provisioning: salted meat, barrels of water, veggies in straw, etc. A military-style naval expedition that I don't think was possible 20,000 years ago.

Note that even with sail, Columbus's ships were out of victuals by the time they got to San Salvador (or Cuba or whereever). And I doubt anyone once making landfall would stay on the water in a primative boat, up past the US coast and then decided Nova Scotia is the place to be ...

50 posted on 02/20/2006 1:46:06 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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