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Underwater Archaeologists Find Possible Mastodon Carving On Lake Michigan Rock
AHN ^ | 9-4-2007 | Nidhi Sharma

Posted on 09/05/2007 10:26:08 AM PDT by blam

Underwater Archaeologists Find Possible Mastodon Carving On Lake Michigan Rock

September 4, 2007 11:51 p.m. EST

Nidhi Sharma - AHN News Writer

Traverse City, MI (AHN) - Underwater archaeologists in Lake Michigan's Grand Traverse Bay are speculating a boulder they found in a June ship wreck to be engraved with a prehistoric carvings.

Mark Holley, a scientist with the Grand Traverse Bay Underwater Preserve Council, believes that the granite rock, which was found hidden at a depth of about 12 metres, has markings that resemble a mastodon.

A mastodon is an elephant-like creature that once inhabited parts of North America. It also carried what appeared to be a spear in its side.

Accepting the fact that they need the experts to come in and verify if the carvings are an ancient petroglyph, Holley said he has shown pictures of the boulder to them. Michigan has only a couple of confirmed petroglyphs.

Since the petroglyphs experts are not able to dive in sea water, the scientists say they are facing trouble showing the exact carvings to the experts.

Though the exact location of the boulder is not unveiled to prevent it from theft, scientists say it lies within the 50-kilometre-long (31 miles) bay on the flat, sandy lake floor.

Holley also told the Associated Press that the boulder is a part of a row of stones of varying sizes that might have marked the shoreline 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. The boulder with the markings is about one metre high and about 1 1/2 metres long.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: alpenaamberleyridge; archaeoastronomy; archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; grandtraversebay; lakemichigan; markholley; mastodon; megaliths; michigan; underwater
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1 posted on 09/05/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 09/05/2007 10:26:34 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

In before the ping!


3 posted on 09/05/2007 10:27:49 AM PDT by BJClinton (And then it occured to me: a real rocket scientist posted the Friday silliness thread on Thursday.)
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To: blam

Sea water? Lake Michigan is fresh water........kinda.............


4 posted on 09/05/2007 10:28:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: blam

Lake Michigan is “sea water”?

Excuse me, when did that happen?


5 posted on 09/05/2007 10:28:29 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: blam
Since the petroglyphs experts are not able to dive in sea water, the scientists say they are facing trouble showing the exact carvings to the experts.

There must be a petroglyph expert who also dives SOMEWHERE in the world! Isn't there?

6 posted on 09/05/2007 10:28:50 AM PDT by colorcountry (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire)
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To: Al Gator

Must have happened when I threw those extra McDonald’s salt packets overboard after lunch.


7 posted on 09/05/2007 10:30:15 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: blam
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070904/NEWS06/70904082/0/SPORTS06

Above URL has photo!

8 posted on 09/05/2007 10:32:02 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Larry Lucido

Just Damn, does that mean I can fishin for night blues on the lake? Nice!


9 posted on 09/05/2007 10:32:08 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator; Red Badger

Well, it must be sea water, as the whales were spotted off Leland, heading for Empire and Frankfort! Geeze, I don’t even read the Wretched Beagle, and I know that! (thanks to Normy and Ron on AM580).

See, the tourists were upset that we just have this huge beautiful bay, with nothing more than fish and boats in it. They wanted things they could “see”. So, UofM, they of the “hey, we’ll spend your money on anything!” persuasion, decided to change the salt content of the bay and LM, and are now planning a SeaWorld Really North!


10 posted on 09/05/2007 10:32:48 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: blam
There's another thread close by that says that the water level of Lake Superior is way down (I don't think that's true) but from this story it seems that the water level of lake Michigan is way up.

I'm so confused.

11 posted on 09/05/2007 10:33:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: blam

Interesting news but the article was badly written.


12 posted on 09/05/2007 10:34:41 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Looks like an elephant to me.

;-)


13 posted on 09/05/2007 10:34:50 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: blu

How did the whales get thru the St. Lawrence Seaway?..........


14 posted on 09/05/2007 10:35:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Somebody pulled out the plug in the dam between the two, and the water ran out.


15 posted on 09/05/2007 10:35:13 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: blam

Ancient Republicans?


16 posted on 09/05/2007 10:35:30 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Ah, Zebra Mussels - nasty little brutes. Didn’t we get them from the Chinese?
17 posted on 09/05/2007 10:35:47 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Keeping and eye on the Frying Pan Shoals Buoys)
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To: Red Badger

They didn’t. They were stocked in the lake when they were just pollywogs.


18 posted on 09/05/2007 10:36:02 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran; blam

19 posted on 09/05/2007 10:36:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

UofM flew them in. First, they treated them to a nice weekend on Mackinac Island, then they released them under the Mighty Mac. Man, this all happened around Memorial Day, and you didn’t hear about it? LOL!


20 posted on 09/05/2007 10:37:33 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: Red Badger

I see a butterfly on a flower.


21 posted on 09/05/2007 10:38:25 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

There appears to be a moose or a giant elk on top of the “elephant”, upper right side........


22 posted on 09/05/2007 10:38:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Interesting Times

I see a naked woman.........but then I see them in everything......


23 posted on 09/05/2007 10:39:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It is possible. Many factors affect the lake levels including rainfall, spring runoff and inflow/outflow rates. Superior and Michigan are fed by different watersheds and both drain into Huron so one can be higher than normal while the other is lower than normal and the other lakes are at normal levels.


24 posted on 09/05/2007 10:40:41 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Red Badger
Ah, yes...I can see the outline now...
25 posted on 09/05/2007 10:40:48 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Red Badger

You sure that isn’t the Virgin Mary?


26 posted on 09/05/2007 10:42:09 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: rightinthemiddle

LOL!!!!.........


27 posted on 09/05/2007 10:42:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Interesting Times

I think it’s an old GOP political sign. Above the mastodon I think it reads “Vote for Grog Hunter - 2008 B.C.” or something like that.


28 posted on 09/05/2007 10:44:46 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: blam

being a diver and living in Traverse City, I can tell you that Lake Michigan ain’t salty....

As for not disclosing the location, this is a good idea. The vast majority of divers i know would never disturb it other than to take pictures, but there are a handful that will take anything they can.

FYI
Michigan Law claims all sites like this as State property. All shipwrecks and artifacts associated with a shipwreck fall under the Michigan Bottomland Preservation act.


29 posted on 09/05/2007 10:44:58 AM PDT by Biggs of Michigan
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To: blam

wow, something cool found in MI?

very unusual.


30 posted on 09/05/2007 10:46:23 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: bmwcyle
Pic @ post #8. Wait 'til you read where this is!
31 posted on 09/05/2007 10:46:25 AM PDT by Apple Blossom (...around here, city hall is something of a between meals snack.)
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To: blam
Since the petroglyphs experts are not able to dive in sea water

So they have sea water in Michigan now? The global warming folks must be right about the sea level rising, if the ocean has gotten all the way up the Great Lakes that far.

And why are the experts 'unable' to dive into 30 or 40 feet of water?

32 posted on 09/05/2007 10:47:16 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Letaka

Michigan ping

Do you even want to know what I saw in the drawing? hmmmm????


33 posted on 09/05/2007 10:49:19 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (Tant que je vive mon coeur ne changera jamais)
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To: Squawk 8888
"Superior and Michigan are fed by different watersheds and both drain into Huron so one can be higher than normal while the other is lower than normal and the other lakes are at normal levels."

IMHO - I wouldn't say Lake Michigan drains into Lake Huron (though Lake Superior does). I'm no expert but I believe, other than having different names, they are, scientifically speaking, only one lake, with one level, the narrowest part being the Straits of Mackinac.

34 posted on 09/05/2007 10:56:20 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: Red Badger
I see a naked woman...

Me too... with double D's!

35 posted on 09/05/2007 10:59:25 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Red Badger

It’s a regular elephant IMO.


36 posted on 09/05/2007 11:01:51 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: johnny7

Yeah, that’s the one!.......Those cavemen were really big on boobs!.........


37 posted on 09/05/2007 11:01:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: gracesdad

Not unless the VM is in her Lady Godiva suit..........


38 posted on 09/05/2007 11:02:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: A CA Guy

There’s “shaggy” lines at the bottom, indicative of long hair, I presume. Otherwise, One of Hannibal’s guys was way off course...........


39 posted on 09/05/2007 11:04:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Red Badger

Not compelling enough to call it anything more than a regular elephant IMO.


40 posted on 09/05/2007 11:06:07 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam; Thinkin' Gal
they need the experts to come in and verify if the carvings are an ancient petroglyph


41 posted on 09/05/2007 11:07:06 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I get enough exercise just pushing my luck)
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To: blam
the boulder is a part of a row of stones of varying sizes that might have marked the shoreline 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.

The lake was lower before man arrived. Proof positive than man is causing global warming.

42 posted on 09/05/2007 11:09:14 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: A CA Guy

elephant are from Africa Only Mammoths and Mastodons were on the North American soil.


43 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:22 AM PDT by Biggs of Michigan
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To: Biggs of Michigan
We don’t know where the rock was transported from, plus what if they were chasing an ancestor of Janet Reno’s?
44 posted on 09/05/2007 11:11:44 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Between the Lines

is that what happened to the 2 miles of ice that used to be here? I wonder how primitive mane managed to melt that much ice.... /sarc


45 posted on 09/05/2007 11:13:17 AM PDT by Biggs of Michigan
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To: A CA Guy

But we don’t have elephants in North America. (do we?)

I’m guessing if they can prove that the carvings are ancient, they’re figuring it’s a mastodon.


46 posted on 09/05/2007 11:13:53 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I get enough exercise just pushing my luck)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
They would also need to prove it came from North America and wasn’t shipped in from Africa.
47 posted on 09/05/2007 11:15:59 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam

They’re afraid someone will steal a 3,000 pound rock from the bottom of a lake under twelve feet of water?


48 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:00 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Underwater archaeologists ?


49 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:57 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

50 posted on 09/05/2007 11:18:52 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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