Lamh Foistenach Abu!
Posted on 11/25/2011 5:38:36 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Catholics across the nation may find themselves a little confused Sunday when the church begins to use a revised Mass.
“I’ll be with everyone else next week (Nov. 27) – I’ll have to relearn the prayers, while this week I already know them,” Jeff Morrow said with a laugh, in an interview in The Christian Post.
“Those who go to Mass only on Easter and Christmas are in for a little surprise,” said Morrow, assistant professor of theology at the Immaculate Conception School of Theology – Seton Hall, in New Jersey.
The English liturgy, which has been in place for 41 years, will be replaced with a newer English translation that is closer to the word-for-word translation of the Latin. That also means the biblical references will become clearer, said Morrow.
“I think this is a good move. It will help Catholics be more conscious of what they are praying,” he said.
“It’s only in the English-speaking Catholic Church. You won’t find it in the Latin-based language churches – the French Catholic Church or the Spanish Catholic Church,” he explained. “Basically they kind of revised the mass that resulted from the Second Vatican Council, where they translated the Latin text and pared it down.”
Biblical references in the 1971 version, which took four years to complete, could be cloudy at times, said Morrow, because a lot was either lost in translation or omitted all together.
“Basically, a lot of translation issues in the literal translation have to deal with omissions. They actually omitted some parts.”
“From the Council of Trent (which closed in 1563) until the Second Vatican Council (which closed in 1965), for Roman Catholics the Mass was celebrated in Latin. After Pope Paul VI revised the Roman Missal, the order of the Mass, it began to be translated into vernacular languages across the globe. The English translators were attempting a dynamic translation as opposed to a literal translation,” he explained.
“With some exceptions, this altered the language in such a way that it tended to occlude the numerous biblical allusions in the prayers to the Mass, which are primarily taken from Scripture. Sometimes whole chunks of text were simply omitted,” the assistant professor added.
Morrow noted that the Vatican was not happy with the translation and that a translation project was initiated by Pope John Paul II in 2000.
“This translation, which will go into effect next week at the beginning of the new liturgical year with the first Sunday of Advent, is a more literal translation of the Latin text from 1970, and includes translations of the entire text, whereas the 1973 English translation included several significant omissions,” he explained.
A word-for-word comparison table is posted on the U.S. bishops’ website. Morrow gave some examples.
“One of the most serious omissions in the original English translation of 1973 was in the prayer called the Gloria,” he said. “The Latin begins with, ‘Gloria in excelsis Deo et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis,’ which [became what used to be] ‘Glory to God in the highest, and peace to his people on earth.’ The new English translation will be more literal, ‘Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will.’”
Also, instead of omitting the Latin prayer “Laudamus te, benedicimus te, adoramus te, glorificamus te, gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam,” which follows in the original text, the new translation reads,” We praise you, we bless you, we adore you, we glorify you, we give you thanks for your great glory, Lord God, heavenly King….” Morrow said.
U.S. priests have been preparing their congregations for the changes, but not all are happy about it.
“Prayer is not something you tamper with lightly, and you’d better be sure when you do that it’s manifestly better,” Seattle priest Michael Ryan told USA Today.
Morrow had no comment, except to say, “It’s going to be interesting to see what the implementations are Sunday – it’s getting mixed reviews.”
Those who are unhappy fall into one of two camps: either habit and time have made for reluctance to change for the better, or they are modernists who are displeased by the English speaking world finally getting a better translation. Either way, it’s a wonderful thing, and a welcome one also.
OH Seek we going start this weekend at my local SO CAL Church I see what about
They been giving us “lesson” about it what going be in it I think what we going odmit or what we going allow in
I THINK SO
OH Seek we going start this weekend at my local SO CAL Church I see what about
They been giving us “lesson” about it what going be in it I think what we going odmit or what we going allow in
I THINK SO
Community agitators got to agitate.
The loudest complainers are the liberal dissidents. And, I suppose, some of the younger Catholics who never saw anything else but the lousy ICEL translation may be confused by those complaints.
But, no question, it’s a big improvement.
Lamh Foistenach Abu!
It is not a revised Mass. The author of this article and far too many people think that the Mass in English simply is The Mass. If that were the case, what about the Italian or Spanish or Polish folks?
Is it too hard for these folks to grasp that the translation has been revised (and vastly improved)? Sheesh.
Agreed. The publishers are trying to cram the new words into the “old” (campy) melodies.
The problem arises from the Catholic publishing industry. They didn’t dare wait because if they did, people might actually have learned that they could do without these publishers and their overpriced and crappy products.
**liberal dissidents.**
Translation — CINO democrats.
Catholics as a whole did not change the Mass. Sheesh the latest news snipes on this would lead one to believe us Catholics are as dumb as bag of hair.
Also, instead of omitting the Latin prayer “Laudamus te, benedicimus te, adoramus te, glorificamus te, gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam,” which follows in the original text, the new translation reads,” We praise you, we bless you, we adore you, we glorify you, we give you thanks for your great glory, Lord God, heavenly King….” Morrow said.
I am going to give Morrow the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually make these incredibly ignorant utterances and assume that the "reporter" was too thick to understand him properly.
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I look forward to the “new” translation of the Sacred Liturgy.
What upsets me about this mangled version is that it is impossible to sing along which excludes the laity from participating in one of the most beautiful prayers of the Mass.
Hymns sung during the offering or communion are different and I have no problem when the choir or cantor sing difficult arrangements then.
But, if it is a prayer that is part of the worship of the Mass, the laity is meant to join.
My husband, the Catholic who made his way back to the church after, shall we say, a long hiatus, isn’t mad or anything, just said “And I just re-learned what I was suppose to do and say a few months ago! “ but we’re more then willing to learn what is considered a better translation. My mother still thinks it should all be in Latin, and although her singing voice left her some years back, she knew entire masses in Latin, including all of the songs! I don’t think she missed a Sunday Mass from 1935- 1980- ish.
The new translation won’t be unfamiliar in style to what Eastern Catholics get here in the U.S.
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