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A Rebuilt Neanderthal
The New York Times ^ | 12-31-02 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 12/31/2002 4:38:20 PM PST by Pharmboy

In a laboratory in the upper recesses of the American Museum of Natural History, away from the public galleries, Dr. Ian Tattersall, a tall Homo sapiens, stooped and came face to face with a Neanderthal man, short and robust but bearing a family resemblance — until one looked especially closely.

A paleoanthropologist who has studied and written about Neanderthals, Dr. Tattersall was getting his first look at a virtually complete skeleton from this famously extinct branch of the hominid family. Nothing quite like it has ever been assembled before, the foot bones connected to the ankle bones and everything else up to the cranium.

It is, the museum says, the first composite reconstruction of a full Neanderthal skeleton based on actual fossils.

Dr. Tattersall's initial reaction was visceral, then more analytical. "For the first time, I really feel I have met a Neanderthal," he said. "He was so much like us, but actually quite different."

Examining the upright skeleton, Dr. Tattersall disputed the notion, once current even among some scientists, that Neanderthals may have been so humanlike that if dressed in contemporary clothing, they could have passed unrecognized on the subway. This impression has been characterized in popular cartoon figures of a heavy-browed Neanderthal in a jaunty fedora.

"This definitely is its own species," Dr. Tattersall affirmed, glancing first to the Neanderthal and then to a modern human skeleton next to it. "If people didn't believe that before, by all rights they should now."

Standing 5 feet 4 1/2 inches, thought to be a typical height of a Neanderthal man, the skeleton will be on display at the museum, in New York City, in an exhibit opening on Jan. 11. Showmanship as well as science was behind the skeleton's creation.

These prehistoric people, who lived mostly in Europe and parts of central and southwestern Asia, vanished about 30,000 years ago. Since the first of their fossils were recognized in 1856, Neanderthals have been objects of mystery and endless conjecture. They are, in many respects, the dinosaurs of hominid studies.

Like the fate of the dinosaurs, their extinction has kept scholarly mills grinding out imaginative theories. Similarly, popular culture often treats Neanderthals as the personification of obsolescence. They are the brutes of caveman caricature (sometimes, anachronistically, sharing the turf with hulking dinosaurs).

They have been maligned as an inferior breed not smart enough to survive, even though Neanderthals apparently managed well in challenging climates for more than 200,000 years — longer than the 125,000 to 150,000 years modern Homo sapiens have been around so far.

One reason for the misunderstanding is that not a single remotely complete skeleton of a Neanderthal has turned up. The many artistic recreations, though commonplace and more lifelike than skeletons, invite scientific criticism as being projections of particular interpretations of Neanderthal appearances and behavior. A less subjective study, scientists say, starts with anatomy — with the skeleton.

Dr. Erik Trinkaus, a Neanderthal specialist at Washington University in St. Louis, who was not involved in the project, said the skeleton reconstructions were especially important for computer models of Neanderthal biomechanics, the way they stood, walked and ran.

So technicians at the museum, working with the skill and patience of reconstructive surgeons, assembled a full skeleton from the exact casts of fossil parts from several specimensfound in Europe and the Middle East.

"The whole skeleton is in essence a transplant," said Gary Sawyer, a senior technician in anthropology, who directed the reconstruction.

Mr. Sawyer and other technicians began developing their skills several years ago with the reconstruction of Peking Man, a Homo erectus from China. Their goal is to recreate skeletons of about 20 hominid species.

Last summer, they finished a prototype Neanderthal skeleton and have since added more body parts for the new version. With so much work and thought invested in their creation, they now wish they could give it an appropriate sobriquet. Any suggestions?

Up to 90 percent of the amalgamated skeleton is made from polyurethane replicas based on actual fossils. These are stained a yellowish brown, the color of most excavated fossils. A few parts, particularly cartilage associated with the rib cage, are inferred by context. All such parts are colored gray.

"This was not the easiest thing to do," Mr. Sawyer said. "There were not an awful lot of parts of Neanderthals available to us."

The museum borrowed fossil casts from several institutions. The ribs, spine and some pelvic bones, among other parts, were derived from a 60,000-year-old Neanderthal found at Kebara cave in Israel.

Anatomically modern humans may have seen their first Neanderthals in what is now Israel some 90,000 years ago. They occupied the same region from time to time, and it is tempting to imagine their shock of recognition. Like long-separated cousins, they probably searched each other's faces and physiques for contours of their shared ancestry.

The two surviving groups of the hominid family came in more frequent contact in Europe, beginning 40,000 years ago. Each made stone tools, used fire and had equally large brains. But the Neanderthals, longtime Europeans, were robust with heavy brow ridges and forward-projecting faces. The modern humans, presumably migrants from Africa, were taller and lighter-boned with smaller, less protruding faces. Still, there was a family resemblance.

The museum technicians drew on fossils from the site in La Ferrassie in France for much of the rest of the skeleton, notably the skull. Some leg and arm bones and pelvic parts were created from the original specimen, discovered in a limestone quarry in the Neander Valley of Germany.

The Neanderthals apparently made their last stand in the Iberian peninsula less than 30,000 years ago. The causes of their extinction are still debated. Did modern humans outcompete them for resources? Kill them in combat? Breed with them, so that some of their genes lived on, as they were replaced as a recognizably separate people?

Looking at the reconstructed skeleton, Dr. Tattersall said it was clearer than ever that Neanderthals were not a human subspecies but a separate hominid species, Homo neanderthalensis, a view held by many paleontologists. Dr. Tattersall is the author, with Dr. Jeffrey Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh, of "Extinct Humans." (Westview Press, 2000).

Dr. Tattersall's eye ran over the anatomical differences. The Neanderthal's shoulders are wider than a human's. The pelvis is also wider, even in males. Some scientists once suspected that the wide pelvis enabled Neanderthals to carry a child longer than nine months, giving birth to larger, more developed infants. But that view is now doubted.

The Neanderthal has shorter forearms and shins, a broader trunk and virtually no waist. The rib cage is a pronounced difference; instead of tapering off, as in humans, it is large and more bell-shaped. And there is the heavy brow ridge, sloping forehead and forward-projecting face.

Attached at the skeleton's neck is a small hyoid bone, which would have anchored the muscles of the tongue and other parts of a voice box apparatus. Found at Kebara cave, this hyoid is a slightly enlarged version of the human hyoid and nothing like similar bones in apes. Some scientists see this as evidence that Neanderthals may have had some capacity for articulate speech.

Dr. Tattersall is skeptical. He thinks Neanderthals had "an essentially symbol-free culture," meaning that they probably lacked the cognitive ability to reduce the world around them to symbols expressed in words and art. In contrast, the Cro-Magnons, as their contemporary modern humans in Europe are called, were creating dazzling art on their cave walls, evidence of a major advance in abstract thought and presumably articulate speech.

Dr. Trinkaus of St. Louis insists that the behavioral attributes of Neanderthals are an open question. They were clearly different anatomically from modern humans, he said, but "the unresolved issue is how important are those differences in Neanderthal behavior — how elaborate was their language or their social systems, what do the differences mean." (Dr. Trinkaus wrote "The Neandertals" (Knopf, 1993) in collaboration with Dr. Pat Shipman, now affiliated with Pennsylvania State University.)

However much Neanderthals and modern humans differed, Dr. Tattersall said: "What Neanderthals did, how they managed in extreme environments, they did very well. It was only Homo sapiens, it seems, that they couldn't cope with."

The Neanderthal skeleton will be part of "The First Europeans: Treasures From the Hills of Atapuerca," an exhibit of recent hominid fossil and artifact finds in northern Spain. These include material of Neanderthal ancestors dating back 800,000 years. The show was organized by Spanish scientists, with Dr. Tattersall as a co-curator.

Writing in the current issue of the magazine Natural History, one organizer, Dr. Juan Luis Arsuaga of the Complutense University in Madrid, said that reconstructions of hominids much more primitive than Neanderthals often seemed less startling, perhaps because they look something like living chimpanzees.

"But there is no familiar equivalent to the Neanderthal, so similar to us, so human yet so different," Dr. Arsuaga wrote. "To come across a Neanderthal, even a reconstructed one, is a thrilling experience. It was no doubt even more thrilling to our ancestors, who met them in the flesh."



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To: Pharmboy
Redheads 'Are Neanderthal'
81 posted on 01/01/2003 12:02:42 PM PST by blam
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To: VadeRetro
At different times in history, some human populations have been consistently well-fed. They usually managed to grow large in these cases.

Exactly so. Without more specimens, it's hard to really make any kind of firm inference about the true average size of Homo erectus. What we do know is that there were some reasonably sizeable members of that group, so it's not hard to imagine that the average could have tended more towards the high end of the specimens we have found. And since Homo erectus undoubtedly lived in multiple places, comprising multiple populations, I would expect a certain amount of regional variation in size, based on the relative availability of a nutritional food supply.

Indeed, there's a pretty good analogue to that kind of thing here in the modern world. For many centuries now, the Japanese diet has been heavily based on things like fish and rice, with the result that, traditionally, the Japanese have tended to be noticeably shorter than their Western counterparts, who have a diet heavier on relatively high-calorie, high-fat foods - pork, beef, eggs, milk, cheese, and so forth. But as Japanese children gradually shift to a more Western diet of burgers and pizza and the like, they are increasing in average height as well, away from the 5'6" or so of older Japanese men, and towards the 5'9" or so of Western men.

82 posted on 01/01/2003 12:54:25 PM PST by general_re
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To: VadeRetro
Aside from the fact that you can't make any sort of a case based on one or two skeletons, the fact that the one or two possible crossbreeds for which somebody does have skeletal remains did not live past childhood might tell you something. As I see it, the preponderence of evidence including the DNA studies, Shreeve's article, and Gunnar Heinsohn's comments indicate that neanderthals were the human type antecedant to us, and that the changeover was rapid and driven by design change of some sort rather than evolution. That doesn't preclude the two types living in proximity for some number of generations AFTER the introduction of modern humans.

That apelike rib cage is a real kicker. That's a piece of the puzzle I was not aware of until now. That alone would probably make a neanderthal so ugly to one of ourselves as to preclude dating or anything like that.

83 posted on 01/01/2003 12:56:48 PM PST by titanmike
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To: unspun
I doubt that you'd find a neanderthal as powerful as Sapp. Anabolic steroids and the kinds of training Sapp uses did not exist in prehistoric times to my knowledge.
84 posted on 01/01/2003 12:59:45 PM PST by titanmike
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To: titanmike
That apelike rib cage is a real kicker. That's a piece of the puzzle I was not aware of until now.

How do you reconcile that with your "low gravity" theory, Ted? If gravity were truly lower then, the chronological sequence of the skeletons should be reversed.

85 posted on 01/01/2003 1:09:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Pharmboy
Nope...don't buy the non-violent end to the Neanders for one reason: the rapidity of their disappearance from the Euro scene. They were there one minute and gone the next. Your gene-swapping theory could work if the timing were MUCH slower...

If CroMag had a distinct advantage as a hunter (eg, verbal abilities that made it easier to coordinate a group of hunters bringing down large game -- which is not easy to do if all you've got is spears and thrown rocks), he could strip a Neandethal hunting territory of game in short order. They wouldn't have to come into direct conflict with each other -- one would be able to survive in an area that the other would starve in

86 posted on 01/01/2003 1:22:30 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Clemenza; rmlew; PARodrig; Yehuda; RaceBannon
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87 posted on 01/01/2003 1:36:29 PM PST by Cacique
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To: SauronOfMordor
Yes...you could be right, but you would have some 'splainin' to do: 1) why would one posit Cro Magnon being non-violent to another hominid hunter in his environment? The whole of human history (from the biblical wars, Asian dynasties, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Vikings, etc., etc., etc.) is one of warfare, violence and elimination of enemies. Why should we ever think it different 35K years ago? With human histroy the way it is there needs to be a bit of a precedent for believing your hypothesis.

And 2) IMHO their disappearance was too swift even for your scenario.

88 posted on 01/01/2003 1:46:09 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: blam
What is a bit confusing to me is that I remember reading a year or so ago that data from DNA analyses showed that we and the Neanders do not share genes and did not interbreed.
89 posted on 01/01/2003 1:50:39 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: titanmike
Aside from the fact that you can't make any sort of a case based on one or two skeletons, the fact that the one or two possible crossbreeds for which somebody does have skeletal remains did not live past childhood might tell you something.

Skuhl 5 is an adult. That West Asia link mentions a number of specimens with overlapping and intermediate features.

As I see it, the preponderence of evidence including the DNA studies, Shreeve's article, and Gunnar Heinsohn's comments indicate that neanderthals were the human type antecedant to us, and that the changeover was rapid and driven by design change of some sort rather than evolution.

We know for sure that it's more complicated than that. In much of the Near East, neanderthals replaced more modern-looking humans for a long time. Your simplistic Intelligent-Designer "Shazaam!" version doesn't allow or account for that.

90 posted on 01/01/2003 2:32:05 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Pharmboy
"What is a bit confusing to me is that I remember reading a year or so ago that data from DNA analyses showed that we and the Neanders do not share genes and did not interbreed."

Yup. I've read those too. I think we're missing something with the DNA. I think we are Neanderthal.
Somewhere back up the thread, someone has a link to the modern/Neanderthal hybrid child found in either Spain or Portugal.

91 posted on 01/01/2003 3:09:55 PM PST by blam
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To: VadeRetro
The basic reality seems to be that a few scholars believe they are seeing mixed types in a few specimens, but that the overwhelming evidence, as Shreeve notes, is that the main populations of moderns and neanderthals hsowed no signs of genetic crossover"

Humans love to mate. They mate all the time, by night and by day, through all the phases of the female's reproductive cycle. Given the opportunity, humans throughout the world will mate with any other human. The barriers between races and cultures, so cruelly evident in other respects, melt away when sex is at stake. Cortés began the systematic annihilation of the Aztec people--but that did not stop him from taking an Aztec princess for his wife. Blacks have been treated with contempt by whites in America since they were first forced into slavery, but some 20 percent of the genes in a typical African American are "white." Consider James Cook's voyages in the Pacific in the eighteenth century. "Cook's men would come to some distant land, and lining the shore were all these very bizarre-looking human beings with spears, long jaws, browridges," archeologist Clive Gamble of Southampton University in England told me. "God, how odd it must have seemed to them. But that didn't stop the Cook crew from making a lot of little Cooklets."

Project this universal human behavior back into the Middle Paleolithic. When Neanderthals and modern humans came into contact in the Levant, they would have interbred, no matter how "strange" they might initially have seemed to each other. If their cohabitation stretched over tens of thousands of years, the fossils should show a convergence through time toward a single morphological pattern, or at least some swapping of traits back and forth.

But the evidence just isn't there, not if the TL and ESR dates are correct. Instead the Neanderthals stay staunchly themselves. In fact, according to some recent ESR dates, the least "Neanderthalish" among them is also the oldest. The full Neanderthal pattern is carved deep at the Kebara cave, around 60,000 years ago. The moderns, meanwhile, arrive very early at Qafzeh and Skhul and never lose their modern aspect. Certainly, it is possible that at any moment new fossils will be revealed that conclusively demonstrate the emergence of a "Neandermod" lineage. From the evidence in hand, however, the most likely conclusion is that Neanderthals and modern humans were not interbreeding in the Levant.

Your author notes:

In contrast, Neanderthals had a short, stocky build like that of present-day inhabitants of cold regions (Pearson, 2000b: 240-241).

That strikes me funny in light of the reconstructed skeleton shown in this thread. I suspect something like "short, stocky build like that of an ape" would be a bit more like it.

I don't have all the answers on this one, but there are several thing I'd try to keep in mind. One is that Shreeve's article is well researched. If there was any crossbreeding between moderns and neanderthals at all which is doubtfull, there was a hell of a lot less of it than you'd expect. That in combination with the DNA studies pretty much rules out modern man descending from neanderthals and most scientists agree with that. The "shazaam" transition from neanderthal to modern does not rule out a possibly long period of coexistence afterwards. The images from Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, as I noted above, sort of point that way. Gunnar Heinsohn is on solid ground in his claims regarding stratigraphy. That combined with other analyses of dating methods in general throw a lot of doubt on many of the time frames you read about involving neanderthals. Finally, there is the question of Elaine Morgan's thesis and what if any implications that might have for neanderthals versus modern man.

92 posted on 01/01/2003 3:40:06 PM PST by titanmike
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To: PatrickHenry
Everything in Nature evolves for a reason.While our own structure isn't perfect,there are obvious traits which have been retained and refined. There is no fossil or living hominid that has a femur as large in relation to the tibia as this Neanderthal model. Was it just convenient in piecing together this specimen? If not and it was intentionally presented this way, what would be the evolutionary advantage? It would be interesting to find a complete Neanderthal skeleton and I hold out hope that this happens.
93 posted on 01/01/2003 5:50:00 PM PST by stanz
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Right and I think this is why they had huge lung capacity as well.
94 posted on 01/01/2003 5:51:21 PM PST by stanz
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To: stanz
Everything in Nature evolves for a reason.

Not always. Why do we have earlobes? There's no reason for them. They just appeared, and weren't fatal, so they're still with us. Same with eye color, hair texture, fingerprints, and probably lots of other inconsequential items. We've inherited a lot of stuff. Sometimes it's really advantageous, and that will tend to show up more and more in future generations, but sometimes it's just meaningless baggage.

95 posted on 01/01/2003 7:04:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Of course earlobes have a purpose. How else would we show off diamond studs? Seriously...eyecolor and hair texture probably function as minor characteristics of sexual selection...I guess. Anyway, just because we haven't figured out the reasons doesn't mean there aren't any....right?
96 posted on 01/01/2003 9:32:16 PM PST by stanz
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97 posted on 01/16/2005 7:04:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on January 13, 2005)
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To: Pharmboy
"The Neanderthal has shorter forearms and shins, a broader trunk and virtually no waist."

In other words, the Neanderthal was Howard Dean.
99 posted on 09/17/2006 2:15:51 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: titanmike

Mr. Fairview, come and take a look at this! It's your cousins!


100 posted on 09/17/2006 4:58:12 PM PDT by Fairview
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