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2 posted on 05/22/2015 9:06:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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What I find puzzling is that many Catholics concede that Protestant Christians CAN be saved and are genuine Christians, while being without that core teaching of the absolute necessity of receiving the Eucharist for salvation.

I’d like a lurking Catholic to explain this. Are these ecumenical Catholics just being devious, or do they not believe Catholic doctrine?


5 posted on 05/22/2015 9:12:03 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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Luke 6:42, Matthew 7:3-5

Give it a rest


10 posted on 05/22/2015 9:27:11 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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14 posted on 05/22/2015 9:32:48 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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17 posted on 05/22/2015 9:35:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

This really is the silliest collection of provably false, straw-ridden garbage that I’ve seen in a while... and given some of the straw men posted by anti-Catholics on this forum alone, that’s saying quite a lot.

Any chance you could give up anti-Catholic rants, and take up golfing, or something? Forgive me, but you’re really not very good at this, even by Protestant standards.


23 posted on 05/22/2015 9:46:49 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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All anti-Catholicism, all the time.

Posted articles in 2015:

THE BLASPHEMY OF THE MASS

The Church Prior to the Reformation: The Mass

“The Greatest of All Protestant Heresies”?

What Is The Brown Scapular

Rome's Meaninless Claim to "Unbroken Chain Of Succession"

Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 1)

Roman Catholic “presuppositions” on the early papacy are in retreat

Are you infallible?

Blind Followers, Inconsistencies, Double Standards and More Confusion

The Reformation is over. Catholics 0, Protestants 1

“Assurance: Every Believer’s Birthright”

Prayers For, To,and Through the Dead

[Response to 2013 WSJ article] Cultural Catholicism and the End of Life: “You Earned It”

The Catholic Dogma of Infallibility

Thumbs up or thumbs down on Rome?

The Concept of Catholic Unity in the Doctrine of the Eucharist at the time of Trent

Mary's Virginity

The Catholic Eucharist: Unbiblical and Idolatry

Our paschal lamb

Interpreting The Bible And Later Sources On The Eucharist

Is John 6:66 Evidence of Transubstantiation?

The Bread of life Discourse

Never Thirst-Taking Jesus" Literally" can be Fatal

On taking John 6 literally

The Sacrifice of the Mass, Hebrews, and the Problem of the One-and-the-Many

The Evolution of the Sacrifice of the Mass: PART 2

Did Jesus Have Fleshly Half-Brothers?

Is the church a pillar & pedestal of truth?

Does Mary Intercede for Christians?

Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

Rejecting Mariology

By Faith Alone: The Conversion of Martin Luther

Rome, authority and Argumentum Ad Infinitum

Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand

Calvin contra Rome on Scripture (Introduction)

St Patrick the (almost) Protestant Missionary

The Evolution of the Sacrifice of the Mass: Part 1

Idolatry

How Reliable Is Roman Catholic History?

An Example in a Recent Edition of This Rock Magazine

Early Church Evidence Refutes Real Presence

The Lord's Supper: solemn symbolism or corporeal flesh and blood?

The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

A Refresher on “Apostolic Succession"

Explaining the Heresy of Catholicism Grace vs> works

The Nature of Justifying Faith

Why These 66 Books?

Is There A Purgatory?

Should Christians Confess Sins to An Earthly Priest?

Salvation by Faith or Works?

How good do I have to be to go to heaven?

The religion of works-righteousness

Against Rome's Apostolic Succession Argument by Bullinger (Part 1)

The Late Development of the Bishop of Rome

How the fictional early papacy became real

Papacy built on pious fiction and forgery 2

Papacy built on pious fiction and forgery, part 1

The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura:Is It Really Biblical?

Rome's New and Novel Concept of Tradition

Is The Roman Catholic View of the Eucharist Supported by the Historical Evidence?

Is the Mass the Real Sacrifice of Christ?

Pagan Saints

Upon This Rock

How Christians Will Know They Can Join Hands With Rome


25 posted on 05/22/2015 9:47:29 AM PDT by jobim
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This long article is on the website, “Ex Catholics for Christ”. It's a sour grapes article.

Before taking the Catholic Eucharist, we say, “When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, O Lord, until you come again.” There is never anything said that promotes the idea we are lost UNLESS we keep taking this sacrament every week. This article is a piece of useless drivel.

28 posted on 05/22/2015 9:49:15 AM PDT by Marcella (TED CRUZ Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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KEYWORDS: mass; moacb; tradition; transubstantiation; worship; Click to Add Keyword

....she's baaaack....

31 posted on 05/22/2015 9:52:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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Correct interpretation of v 63:

“Only the Spirit can accomplish the miracle of the Eucharist, and only the Spirit can empower us to believe the miracle.”

Given the Eucharist was believed from the very beginging of the Church, I will run with that interpretation.

Speaking of “letterism” kinda funny how taking the Creation story in Genesis literally results in many problems when compared to science.


47 posted on 05/22/2015 10:12:38 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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After reading this passage, the founder of the Mormon religion, Joseph Smith, (who was also a freemason and witch) started baptising dead people. This form of exegesis is sheer madness, for when did a dead unrepentant person ever benefit from being baptised after they died?

What a ridiculous statement. Joseph Smith was never a witch. Nor did he ever baptize a dead person.

Your total lack of understanding of God's plan of salvation for the whole of humanity is staggering.

Baptism for the dead is one of the most important signs of the true Church of Christ. As Paul briefly mentions that this was performed in Christ's original Church.

God sees both living and the dead equally. God gave the law that all people must be baptized. Since He obviously knew that millions and millions of people would die without ever hearing of Jesus Christ or able to be baptized by someone with authority.

It was His plan from the beginning to provide a way that they all might be baptized. The living would do a work of faith for the dead.

1 Peter 4
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


The gospel is preached to the dead because every person that has ever lived must have the choice to accept or deny the truth if they never had the opportunity in this life.

Baptism is the essential for salvation.


51 posted on 05/22/2015 10:28:56 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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Matthew 22: 37-40

Jesus said unto him, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

54 posted on 05/22/2015 10:41:40 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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Where does this guy come up with this nonsense?

“However, communion is only for those of us that have already been saved from all of our past, present, and future sins; and as such we do so in gratitude for and remembrance of the terrible price that Christ paid for us in dying for our sins to save us from the wrath of God, not in order to ‘be saved’ or to ‘stay saved.’”

This simpleton concept would have us believe that declaring our belief in the risen Christ, then excuses all future behavior.

Christ makes very clear that your “belief” is exemplified in how you live.
Having sinned again YOU must express remorse, resolve to do better, and ask for forgiveness.
Christ’s salvation for us was the opening of the door.
It is up to YOU to choose whether to walk through that door.


61 posted on 05/22/2015 11:14:55 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: RnMomof7

Jesus is the new and everlasting covenant. I take Him at His word.


64 posted on 05/22/2015 11:31:21 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: RnMomof7

And one other thing: Eucharistic Miracles. Do that with your KJV. Ha.


65 posted on 05/22/2015 11:32:28 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: RnMomof7

Who wrote this screed, anyway?

Something with a title like “The Blasphemy of the Mass” might be considered a high-powered insult to many Catholics.

But don’t worry, we’re not Muslims.

;^)


71 posted on 05/22/2015 12:14:10 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: RnMomof7

Please give it a rest. Thank-you.


72 posted on 05/22/2015 12:16:55 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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"Author: Unknown"

I'm not surprised that the author didn't attach his name to this steaming load.

101 posted on 05/22/2015 1:38:06 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Cruz or lose!)
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To: RnMomof7; Old Yeller; knarf

Good work mom.


116 posted on 05/22/2015 2:58:51 PM PDT by Mark17 (The love of God, how rich and pure, how measureless and strong. It shall forever more endure.)
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To: RnMomof7

Hey, what do you know? More pointless religious bickering. Another black eye for FR. Nice work.


124 posted on 05/22/2015 3:42:12 PM PDT by strider44
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