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Wish Mr. Controversy TV would have asked the nannies, in their interview, what they had told Perper...

Seems like a shell game or slight of hand to me. HKS diverts this daily media attention away from ANS's death and Daniel's death and all the many revelations about HKS and KE that have gone on in the media for the last couple of weeks, to LB is the father and ensuing custody battle of VA.

Shell game/slight of hand-look what Virgie is doing. Isn't she awful to pursue custody against LB? etc.,etc., etc.- And all the media outlets are discussing the custody battle. The public spotlight is off HKS and now looking at and discussing this VA vs. LB matter.

In the meantime: DWS inquest to resume on May 22, transition period for DL of 2-4 weeks with LB visiting Horizons, nothing to be done about getting HKS out of Horizons for now, public auction for diaries stopped (even though didn't stop original sales on eBay),Lin Wood entered, Big League PI hired, and defamation lawsuit against OQ filed.

If not for the nannies' interviews being published yesterday, sending out a big reminder as to whom they should really be focusing on (HKS/KE-IMHO) - the banter over how awful VA is or is not -would be the thing dominating the ANS news this week.

divert, buy time, and delay investigation=control

I just hope that any conditions that LB agrees to with HKS to get DL back as quickly as possible, and that LB says he doesn't care about the money, that LB is watching out for the future and what his daughter might really want. He will be making the decisions for his daughter until she becomes of age. Wonder if Danielynn wants to pursue a wrongful death suit against HKS for either her mother's death or brother's death, but can't for 18 or 21 years because her father made some deal with HKS.

Besides trying to control estate of ANS could HKS also be trying to protect himself against any future wrongful death suits?(Don't you think it would be a lot harder for Virgie to go after wrongful death without Danielynn/LB?)

That means you, too, Leroy!

SO TRUE

Just catching up on post and wow!!!

(Got home from work and didn't go straight to the thread. Thought...probably a slow day and much didn't go on .

Stupid me!

Let's celebrate tonight!

But tomorrow our thoughts and prayers need to go out for TRUTH and JUSTICE for innocent Daniel.

Just got home to hear the Great News!

Link to TMZ

I'm Gonna See My Baby Tonight!!!

Posted Apr 10th 2007 6:07PM by TMZ Staff Filed under: Anna Nicole Smith

Larry Birkhead told TMZ he plans to contact Howard K. Stern in the next hour and take him up on his offer made during the news conference to see Dannielynn -- and he'd like to see her this evening.

Ron Rale, Howard's longtime friend/lawyer, says "Howard has already called Larry's hotel twice since the hearing to ask him to come over tonight, but hasn't been able reach him." Rale adds, "Howard not only wants Larry, but Larry's entire family that is in the Bahamas to come over this evening to start getting to know Dannielynn."

Rale adds Howard wants Larry to come over as much as possible to make the transition. Sources say the transition will probably take between two and four weeks. Rale says Howard has been in contact with professionals to obtain advice on how to transition in the healthiest way for Dannielynn.

Rale says Howard wants Larry to know, if he gets the overture through TMZ, to give him a call, STAT!

RE: Discussion on the Manner of Death determination of accidental

Anna Nicole Smith Investigation Reports(Invetigation Report document, pages 14-15).

There are two areas Perper discusses in the report to come to that conclusion.

A. The Exclusion of Homicide, and

B.Accident vs. Suicide

XI. Manner of Death

Since drugs were the major cause of death in this case, the manner of death cannot be considered natural. The remaining choices are homicide, suicide, accident, or undetermined (the latter if two or more possibilities are equally possible according to the Manner of Death Classification Guide distributed by the National Association of Medical Examiners-NAME).Based on the available evidence, it is our opinion that the manner of death is deemed ACCIDENT.

A. The Exclusion of Homicide

The following factors were noted but homicide was excluded:

1. Given the high level of the chloral hydrate in Miss Smith’s blood someone would have to either force-feed or coerce her into ingesting a large amount of chloral hydrate solution; (note: Why had to force-feed her or coerce her? Liquid Chloral Hydrate recommended DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION: The syrup may be administered in a half glass of water, fruit juice, or ginger ale.)

2. There was no oral trauma to suggest force-feeding; (note: Is oral the only way it could have been administered; and why would it have to be force-feed if done orally?

3. Chloral hydrate has an unpleasant, harsh taste which would be easily detectable if it was “slipped” into a drink;(note: On the many sites I have searched looking for this fact I have inactuality found that CH, because of its lack of taste, is used in “A Mickey Finn” which is any drug laced drink given to an unsuspecting victim in order to incapacitate them (also called knockout drops). A mixture of chloral hydrate and alcohol is thought to have been the original Mickey Finn. Chloral hydrate is now illegal in the United States without a prescription. Chloral hydrate is a schedule IV controlled substance in the United States. Its properties sometimes lead to its use as a date rape drug.)

4. There were no other significant injuries.

*One could speculate that Miss Smith was cognitively impaired due to her infections and use of benzodiazepines and that this rendered her susceptible to homicidal poisoning. However, given the evidence produced by the parallel police and medical examiner investigations this would represent mere speculation and does not hold up under scientific scrutiny.

(*Check out that statement!)

B. Accident vs. Suicide

The chloral hydrate levels in the blood, liver and brain are certainly in the high toxic/lethal range. As noted above, the levels of multiple other medications found in the blood were in the therapeutic range. A cogent argument for the two remaining manners of death is now in order.

1. Is it a suicide?

Suicide was considered in this case for the following reasons but it was ultimately dismissed:

a. Miss Smith suffered acute and chronic, waxing and waning, depression following the loss of her son Daniel, to whom she was extremely attached.

b. Her depression over the loss of her son three days after the delivery of her infant daughter by Caesarean section occurred at a very critical time in which many women are predisposed to endogenous depression (so-called postpartum depression). Furthermore, Miss Smith’s depression may have been further magnified by the physiologic response to a painful Caesarean section incision.

c. Miss Smith stated that “she wanted to die” after Daniel’s death but she did not develop a specific plan of action.

d. There was a near-drowning episode several months ago which could be construed as a suicide attempt, however she thanked the person who revived her (see below).

e. At one point, Miss Smith declared that she wished to die in the same fashion as her idol, Marilyn Monroe, who died by suicide. It should be noted that Miss Monroe employed chloral hydrate (in combination with a barbiturate) in her own highly publicized demise.

f. While still chronically depressed, Miss Smith experienced additional significant physical stressors: the abscess-related infection, viral enteritis, and “the flu.” The chemical mediators produced by the body in response to severe illnesses are also chemical mediators commonly elevated in major depression.

g. Several months prior to her death, Miss Smith bought several plots in a Bahamian cemetery and had possibly commissioned a dress for her funeral.

h. By report, Miss Smith did not appear to be intoxicated when she was last seen alive. This suggests that she took a significant dose of chloral hydrate in the hours preceding her death.

i. Miss Smith suffered from chronic pain and Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, both of which are associated with depression.

j. Chloral hydrate may result in jaundice or icterus in cases of chronic toxicity. The absence of these findings suggests an overdose resulting in acute toxicity in this case.

2. Is it an accidental overdose?

Accident is favored for the following reasons:

a. The chloral hydrate level, definitively toxic and potentially lethal, would not be considered lethal in all cases, particularly in an individual who has developed some resistance to this drug through chronic use. It was lethal in this case, however, in combination with other prescription drugs.(note-It was lethal in this case, and was stated in interview with Greta, lethal dose of 2 ounces taken prior to her death. Who was the only one with her during this time frame? HKS stayed in suite of rooms, so wouldn't he have seen her getting bottle of CH out of duffle bag where he said it was being kept?)

b. If most cases of suicide, the victim ingests a large amount of a drug to insure death. The bottle found of chloral hydrate found near Miss Smith was only half empty.(note: Now the CH was found near Miss Smith, which is not mention and the scene report and was actually mentioned being in guestroom 609 and then later we are told per interview with Perper and Schueler, in a duffle bag.)

c. In many case of prescription drug overdose, multiple drug levels are elevated. In this case, all drugs except chloral hydrate are at therapeutic levels.(note: But what about the Benzodiazepines in combination: Parent/Drug - Clonazepam (Klonopin)0.04mg/L, Diazepam (Valium)0.21mg/L, Lorazepam (Ativan)22ng/mL, and Metabolites - Nordiazepam0.38mg/L, Temazepam0.09mg/L, and Oxazepam130ng/mL.)

d. Reports of suicidal ideation are vague and unsubstantiated. By many accounts, her mood had been improving over the past few months and she did not seem depressed in the days leading up to death.(note: Were ten different reasons listed, a.-j., under the question "1. Is it Suicide?")

e. A near drowning episode in a pool several months prior to death appears to have followed an accidental drug overdose rather than a suicidal act. Indeed, she thanked the individual who had resuscitated her rather than expressing consternation.(note: Now, here it is talked about in that this pool/ drowning incident was another accidental overdose, but under the question, "1. Is it Suicide?" item d, "There was a near-drowning episode several months ago which could be construed as a suicide attempt, however she thanked the person who revived her(see below).")

f. Miss Smith was likely not aware of the risks of using multiple drugs while in a physically vulnerable state consequent to her infections. In this instance, she may have over medicated herself with chloral hydrate to alleviate the symptoms of her infections.(note: She took the chloral hydrate, this time, out of the duffle bag and out of eyesight range of HKS who was supposedly monitoring her in-take of drugs from the duffle bag and was in the suite with her from 10:00-12:00?)

g. Miss Smith has a long history of prescription drug use and had undergone treatment in an in-patient rehabilitation center in the past. She was used to taking as much medicine as she wanted to and she had “over self-medicated” in the past.(note: Was she used to taking this much CH in one dose?)

h. Miss Smith had recently had a baby and, by some accounts, was planning another pregnancy and marriage in the near future. Further, she was about to make a music video and take a vacation to Dubai. This type of advance planning makes suicide less likely.(note: Now she is not having all the incidents of depression listed under "1. Is it Suicide?" items a-g and i? What evidence was given for this vacation to Dubai?)

i. There was no suicide note (though these are absent in many suicides) or recent statements to suggest suicidal ideation.(note: See items c,d and e under "1. Is it Suicide?")

j. There was no physical evidence or documented history in the medical records to support prior suicide attempts.(note:??-What was given above and taken as medical history for "1. Is it Suicide?"?)

k. Miss Smith’s obsession with Marilyn Monroe had waned somewhat over time.(note: Now ANS' obsession with MM had waned?)

l. Miss Smith sometimes drank her chloral hydrate out of the bottle making it difficult to determine the exact dosage ingested. On this trip, she had taken multiple doses of chloral hydrate in combination with her “usual” assortment of pills.(note:Interesting "fact" of Perper's based on witness interviews with whom, one of which was the one person that was in the suite when she took the lethal dose, but saw her ingest no drugs that morning?

Please note: This subject has been brought up for a matter of discussion with the group. It is posted as just some personal observations as related to this report. Just looking at these things that go to the determination of manner of death, A. The Exclusion of Homicide and B. Accident vs. Suicide and the final determination being accidental seems to based more heavily on what appears to be witness testimony, one of whom was in the suite with ANS during the ingestion of the lethal dose, and seems to be based less in scientific fact. Perhaps with further police investigation more scientific facts could be determined and the report would not have to be based as much on witness interviews. It seems, from this layperson's opinion, from this report that the scientific facts more readily support manner of death as being either suicide or homicide. It would also seem to this layperson that Cause of Death: Overdose with a determined Manner of Death: Accidental, might be a much more beneficial conclusion in the future than a determination of Manner of Death: suicide or homicide.

As the spins!

Check your local papers for airing times.

Hopeful it won't be anymore after tomorrow

LOLOLOL. Like that!

Congratulations on post #1000 of thread #3!

LB on his way to Bahamas and to hopefully be named biological father!

Or what is up? What angle next? Smells funny.

Wonder what Larry agreed to with HKS, if HKS agreed not to continue his custody fight with LB, if LB is proven the father?

Chuckling @ ACLU comment!

Toxicology Positive Results for Vickie Lynn Marshall

Case # BME2007- 0223

Specimen

Gastric Contents

ParentDrug/Compound

Topiramate (Topamax)

Metabolites

Meprobamate

Concentration/Result

positive - 0.245mg total

But cannot find any place else in ANS autopsy report (ex. tests on bile, urine., or blood) where Topiramate /Topamax was found.

Question to the medical people out there:

Would it be normal to find the metabolite of Topirmate/Topamax - Meprobarnate in the gastric contents still without it being found in blood, bile, or urine?

Link to Anna Nicole Smith Investigation Reports

(Investigation Report document, page 28)

http://www.artharris.com/

I like this part further down page.

"And to those who believe that Mr. Stern is hesitant to bring suit and thereby open up his life on cross examination during the discovery process, you are wrong. Mr. Stern has nothing to hide and he correctly views civil litigation not only as the forum for obtaining accountability for wrongdoing, but also as a forum for the public to learn the truth.

M. Krista Barth of Palm Beach Gardens, Florida will serve as co-counsel with Powell Goldstein in this litigation. Ms. Barth was one of the attorneys who successfully represented Mr. Stern in the Florida litigation which led to Ms. Smith being buried in the Bahamas next to her son. Powell Goldstein has also assembled a team of its First Amendment and fiduciary litigators to assist in this litigation including William V. Custer, Nicole J. Wade, Eric P. Schroeder, Luke A. Lantta and Benjamin Erwin.

Along with Ms. Barth, the lawyers at Powell Goldstein are dedicated to achieving justice for Mr. Stern and protecting the assets of the Anna Nicole Smith estate for the benefit of her daughter, Dannielynn."

What about Barth's comments on various media outlets about Virgie Arthur?

Sorry, in advance, for another lengthy post

Hmmmm...critical Time 10:00-12:00

Baden said in Greta inteview- ANS probably dead by 12:00pm, maybe sooner.

Link DescriptionAnna Nicole Smith Investigation Reports

Mr. Stern awoke between 9-10 am and helped Anna to the bathroom. He then watched television in another room until King Eric called to inform him of his arrival at the airport. Mr. Stern then called Maurice to instruct him to pick up the guests (King Eric, his common-law wife, and another man). Invetigation Reports (Investigaton Report document, page 6)

and

Thursday, February 8, fourth day in USA and the day of death According to Mr. Howard K. Stern, he woke up around 10 am and found Miss Smith awake, with no complaints, except for excessive tiredness. Mr. Stern helped Miss Smith go to the bathroom and then put her back in bed. According to Mr. Howard Stern, he did not see Miss. Smith take or being given any medications that morning. Mr. Stern then left to arrange the buying of a boat for Miss Smith.Investigation Reports (Press Release document, page 9)

Besides HKS helping her to the bathroom and then putting her back in bed, (Greta's questions going to if ANS was too weak/sick to get herself to this duffle bag of medicines) -

If 11 prescriptions in duffle bag (one being the critical bottle of CH liquid), was being monitored by Mr. Stern, (as was said in Greta interview by Dr. Shueler, Chief Toxicologist and Dr. Perper, Chief Medical Examiner- they both stated that is what was said or implied by Mr. Stern in his interview with them),

How did ANS get the CH out of the duffle bag without him seeing her?

According to Stern, he never left the suite, so:

1. if he was in 607 wouldn't he see her

2. if he were in sitting room he would have seen her as she crossed through sitting room, or

3. if he were in room 609 where the actualCH was supposedly found later* he would have seen come all the way from the 607 bedroom, through the sitting room, to the 609 bedroom.

*note no duffle bag was even mentioned in the report

*The guest bedroom has three beds, which were well made and covered with white sheets, and covers. A night table separates the two beds. Opposite the foot of the bed was a small table with various items including numerous medication bottles, prescribed under different names. There was also a piece of furniture containing a small refrigerator and a large-size TV. The medicine bottles in the entire suite were photographed. A list of all the medications was taken including the date prescribed, amount prescribed, and the amount left in each bottle. The scene was left at 2130 hours. Investigation Reports (Scene Report- Seminole Hard Rock Cafe, page 2)

Anna Nicole Smith's Investigative Reports

Inestigation Report, pages 6 and 7.

5. Thursday, February 8, 2007

Maurice woke up around 9 am. Around 9:30 am he went to Anna’s room and thought he saw her moving but was not certain. He told Howard he was going to have breakfast with his wife, Tasma. Mr. Stern awoke between 9-10 am and helped Anna to the bathroom. He then watched television in another room until King Eric called to inform him of his arrival at the airport. Mr. Stern then called Maurice to instruct him to pick up the guests (King Eric, his common-law wife, and another man). Upon the arrival of King Eric and his party at the hotel at around 12 pm, Mr. Stern called out to Anna who was still in bed to arouse her. One of the guests then urged him not to wake her so he did not call her again.

Shortly after 12 pm, Maurice, Mr. Stern, King Eric, and the other male visitor left the room at the Hard Rock Hotel. Maurice left to take care of personal business and Mr. Stern, King Eric, and the other male guest left at the same time to pick up the boat. Maurice asked Tasma, his wife who is a registered nurse, to stay with Anna. She worked on the computer in Anna’s room while Anna remained in bed under the covers. King Eric’s common-law wife remained in an adjoining room.

At about 1 pm Tasma Brighthaupt was on the phone with her husband, Maurice Brighthaupt. The boat captain’s wife, who had been in the guest room, came into Anna Nicole’s room because she thought Tasma was talking to Anna Nicole. When the captain’s wife realized Tasma was not talking to Anna Nicole, she went around Miss Smith’s bed and took a look at her. She then told Tasma to come take a look at Anna because she didn’t like the way Anna Nicole looks. Tasma hang up with Maurice and came around the bed. She saw Anna’s face slumped downward on her chest, her mouth open and without breathing sounds. Tasma Brighthaupt initiated CPR after calling her husband Maurice. She alternated mouth to mouth breathing with chest compressions, checking for a pulse until Maurice arrived. At about 1 pm Tasma Brighthaupt was on the phone with her husband, Maurice Brighthaupt. The boat captain’s wife, who had been in the guest room, came into Anna Nicole’s room because she thought Tasma was talking to Anna Nicole. When the captain’s wife realized Tasma was not talking to Anna Nicole, she went around Miss Smith’s bed and took a look at her. She then told Tasma to come take a look at Anna because she didn’t like the way Anna Nicole looks. Tasma hang up with Maurice and came around the bed. She saw Anna’s face slumped downward on her chest, her mouth open and without breathing sounds. Tasma Brighthaupt initiated CPR after calling her husband Maurice. She alternated mouth to mouth breathing with chest compressions, checking for a pulse until Maurice arrived.

but of course, neither Brigette Neven, nor King Eric were apparently questioned.-my words

Investigation Report, page 3

II. Medicolegal Investigation

B. Personal interviews with:

1. Howard K. Stern, lawyer and companion of the deceased.

2. Khristine Eroshevich, M.D., Ph.D., psychiatrist and friend of the deceased.

3. Timothy Baretts, M.D., psychiatrist who treated the decedent after the death of her son Daniel.

4. Hubert Minnis, M.D., obstetrician, who delivered the decedent’s living child.

5. Duane Sands, M.D., surgeon who treated the decedent for a collapsed lung, pneumonitis and pleural effusion.

6. Ray Martino, long time friend and TV producer. 7. James Konstantakis, M.D., internal medicine, Bahamas; saw the decedent just once.

8. Nadine and Queetlie Alexis, both nannies and housekeepers, for the decedent’s newborn until December 2006.

9. Maurice (“Big Mo”) Brighthaupt, former bodyguard and friend of the decedent; administered CPR at the hotel suite and called Seminole Police.

10. Tasma Brighthaupt, wife of Maurice, first person to administer CPR to Anna Nicole Smith and present when she was found unresponsive in bed.

11. Larry Birkhead, ex-companion of Anna Nicole Smith.

12. Donald E. Hogan, father of the deceased.

And who else is absent from the list? Virgie...strange mother could give childhood medical history.- my words-and sorry for the long post!

A cause of death: drug overdose

now what is really important...

manner of death: accidental

Don’t think so. Think that is on now.