Posted on 12/16/2011 7:45:36 PM PST by Salvation
If, we in the pews are happy, what's to be gained by all this needless discussion.
Bite the bullet and do it! Then thank God, because you will notice a change in yourselves, dear priests.
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Your comments?
Old joke:
Q: What’s the difference between a liturgist and a terrorist?
A: You can negotiate with a terrorist ...
Some folks simply need to be informed as to “why” the changes were made.
These translations are “formal”, whereas the prior translations were not.
Previously, they were only intend to “convey the intent”.
These formal translations are richer in meaning and content.
To be better informed, you may be interested in the Magnificat, Roman Missal Companion - $4
>http://www.magnificat.com/romanmissal/roman_missal_companion.asp<
LOL!
Good recommendation.
People are fixating on the WRONG THING. I wish people would just let it go. It's like the tax people who change the rules, regulations and forms for paying taxes. I just send the papers to the accountant, pay the taxes and get on with it.
Bells and whistles.
Now, aren't you glad you asked? :o):o)
I noticed the word “consubstantial” last Sunday and was puzzled. Surely this is not an everyday English word. Surely, for something this significant, every word was chosen, discussed and agreed upon before publication.
My mother disagrees. She thinks that the Missal is meant to elevate our vocabulary and words like these are welcome. I love her dearly but disagree.
You are a riot. Thanks for your comments.
Father Jeremy Driscoll of Mount Angel (close to where I live) gave a talk about the Vox Clara committee that he was on.
Tell your mom that Father Jeremy said we would notice three things.
Higher English register — we are no longer Catholic dummies.
Longer sentences — congruent with the Latin.
A greater adhesion to the Latin — your mom can take out her old 1962 Missal and the prayers are practically the same.
BTw.
Con = with in Latin
substantial = substance in Latin
So the phrase means that Christ (is with) has the same substance as God the Father.
Is consubstantial less understandable than “one in being”? That’s not a phrase I have ever used outside of Mass.
I went over the new prayers with my 6th grade CCD students and we spent a few minutes on that word. I think they understand it now and 10 years from now they won’t remember it any other way.
Why do so many people cavil at some word changes? I had the chance to go to the Holy Land and we saw the Upper Room where the very first Mass was held. I got to see Calvary, Christ's Tomb...and we heard Mass there too. With those things on my mind WHY would I worry about some simple syntax changes?
Life is TOO SHORT to sweat the small stuff.
Ya know what I mean, jellybean?
Previously, they were only intend to “convey the intent”.
Strictly speaking, the prior translations were intended to obscure and contradict the intent of the liturgy, not convey it. That's why the old hippies are so peeved now. That darned hierarchy in Rome is shoe-horning the meaning of the Mass back into it, undoing all their hard work of softening the Mass and making it meaningless.
Was that Bishop Troutman being referred to? That old heretic should protest the changes by taking a vow of silence. It would be a penance for him, alas, but not for us.
The worst thing about turning the altar around is that we now get to see the priest’s face, all the time. At first I thought it a good idea. The priest could share with us all what was going on. But it soon the priest became the “star”of the drama. Less about HIM, than him. So like any actor, he couldn’t resist interpreting his role. Deadly if he lacks a compelling personality. Dangerous if he does.
“Again HE took the cup, gave it to his disciples...’’ It’s worked for 2,000 years just as Jesus said it, correct? It’s all I ever needed to hear. Why the navel-gazing and endless debate? My memory isn’t always the best at my age but didn’t OUR LORD speak of the ‘’prattling of many tongues ‘’ meaning those who would confuse or distort HIS message? I agree with ‘’cloudmountain’’. ‘’gnat droppings(I like that.)
It never was a cup it was a chalice.
Ah, hate to disagree with you Salvation but every Mass I go to it’s ‘’cup’’. The definition of the word ‘’chalice’’ is ‘’a drinking cup’’.
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