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Clues to ancient invasion in DNA [ Scotland, Ireland, Picts, Vikings ]
BBC ^ | Thursday, April 2, 2009 | unattributed

Posted on 04/06/2009 10:00:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Scientific evidence of an ancient invasion of Scotland from Ireland may have been uncovered by DNA techniques. Researchers from Edinburgh University said studies of Scots living on Islay, Lewis, Harris and Skye found strong links with Irish people. Early historical sources recount how the Gaels came from Ireland about 500 AD and conquered the Picts in Argyll. Scientists said the study was the first demonstration of a significant Irish genetics component in Scots' ancestry. The research, which features work by geneticist Dr Jim Wilson, a specialist in population genetics, is being featured in programmes on Gaelic television channel BBC Alba. The study also suggests intriguing ancestry of Scots living on the Western Isles and in the north and north east of Scotland... The origin of the Gaels - who by conquering and integrating with Pictish northern tribes created the Kingdom of Alba - has been debated by historians for centuries. The earliest historical source comes from around the 10th Century and relates that the Gaels came from Ireland in about 500 AD, under King Fergus Mor. However, more recently archaeologists have suggested the Gaels had lived in Argyll for centuries before Fergus Mor's invasion. The study also suggested an east-west genetic divide seen in England and attributed to Anglo-Saxons and Danes was evident in the north of Scotland. This was noted in places far from Anglo-Saxon and Danish settlements, indicating that this division was older and may have arisen in the Bronze Age through trading networks across the North Sea. Geneticists also said as many as 40% of the population on the Western Isles could have Viking ancestry, while no Viking ancestry was found in north east Scotland.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: alba; argyll; caledonia; dalraida; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; ireland; pictish; picts; scotland; vikings

1 posted on 04/06/2009 10:00:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 04/06/2009 10:00:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

So where’s the Dead White Men of Gaelic Speaking Old Europe Indoctrination Alert?


3 posted on 04/06/2009 10:02:53 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SunkenCiv
This makes sense--Scottish Gaelic is closely related to Irish Gaelic so enough people must have crossed from Ireland to implant their language in Scotland and the Hebrides. Gaelic is Q-Celtic; Welsh and Breton are P-Celtic. I think there may be some placenames in the far southern areas of Scotland which are P-Celtic in origin, indicating that the Irish-speakers didn't settle there.

Pinmore in Ayrshire, mentioned in one of the Dorothy Sayers murder mysteries featuring Lord Peter Wimsey, is a Q-Celtic name--the P-Celtic equivalent is Bryn Mawr. It just means "big hill."

4 posted on 04/06/2009 10:14:03 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv; Verginius Rufus

Another excellent work on this subject is “Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland,” by Bryan Sykes, who also wrote the groundbreaking “Seven Daughters of Eve.” All fascinating.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 10:19:17 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

Thanks La Lydia.


6 posted on 04/06/2009 10:30:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: La Lydia; SunkenCiv
Thanks,...I need more reading material:

Saxons, Vikings, and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland (Paperback)

7 posted on 04/06/2009 10:32:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: mysterio

Self ping for later.


8 posted on 04/06/2009 10:35:40 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: SunkenCiv

In the Gaelic the name “Elgin,” the earldom and old walled city in the northeast, means “Little Ireland.” Take a map of where the best single malt scotches are made and you will see that a disproportionate number are made in “Little Ireland.”


9 posted on 04/06/2009 10:42:17 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: SunkenCiv

More proof that Arlen Specter is not a Scotsman, he’s a SINO... he’s Irelands fault.

Being a Scotsman by blood, I have to believe that is true,. ;>)


10 posted on 04/06/2009 10:54:27 AM PDT by Gator113 (For America to Survive, Obama Must Fail..... Obama=Failure in Chief with the Audacity of Dope.....)
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To: Gator113
More proof that Arlen Specter is not a Scotsman, he’s a SINO... he’s Irelands fault. Being a Scotsman by blood, I have to believe that is true,. ;>)

Yeah, well, Ted Kennedy is actually a Scotsman.

Take that.

11 posted on 04/06/2009 11:00:20 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: Robwin

Wait till the IRA learns that they are really Viking-Scotch mongrels. The mind boggles!


12 posted on 04/06/2009 11:20:19 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Why is the name Dal Riata not in this story?

Are these people completely historically illiterate?

13 posted on 04/06/2009 11:34:57 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Robwin

LOL


14 posted on 04/06/2009 11:40:52 AM PDT by Gator113 (For America to Survive, Obama Must Fail..... Obama=Failure in Chief with the Audacity of Dope.....)
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To: La Lydia

I’ve read some of Sykes’ work but not that book...fascinating topic.


15 posted on 04/06/2009 12:42:04 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Robwin

Lots of Scots-Irish Kennedys in the US. There’s a Kenedy Co. in Texas (pop. about 400)—I don’t know who it’s named for but probably a Scots-Irish Protestant rather than an Irish Catholic Kennedy.


16 posted on 04/06/2009 12:44:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

And these patterns of relatedness and divergence based upon common ancestry in the past are exactly what biologists observe in species, leading biologists to conclude that they also shared common ancestry.


17 posted on 04/06/2009 12:47:55 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Verginius Rufus

The name Kennedy is very common in SW Scotland—Ayrshire, probably also in the areas just to the south. That’s where a lot of the Scots settlers of Northern Ireland came from.


18 posted on 04/06/2009 12:49:04 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv; Salamander

Fergus Mor Ping:

Who Goes With Fergus?

WHO will go drive with Fergus now,
And pierce the deep wood’s woven shade,
And dance upon the level shore?
Young man, lift up your russet brow,
And lift your tender eyelids, maid,
And brood on hopes and fear no more.

And no more turn aside and brood
Upon love’s bitter mystery;
For Fergus rules the brazen cars,
And rules the shadows of the wood,
And the white breast of the dim sea
And all dishevelled wandering stars.

(With a double spondee!)


19 posted on 04/06/2009 12:53:00 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: shibumi
Can't have a post that references Ireland without a Yeat's poem.

Thanks.

20 posted on 04/06/2009 1:33:13 PM PDT by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: happygrl

My pleasure.

I always enjoy making the grls happy.


21 posted on 04/06/2009 1:36:26 PM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: potlatch

22 posted on 04/09/2009 11:41:46 PM PDT by devolve ( - - - - - - - - - - - - - It is just another Pansy Scheme! - - -)
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To: devolve
In The Gloaming - twilight time Lovely post


23 posted on 04/10/2009 12:10:27 PM PDT by potlatch (A burden shared gets lighter)
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To: potlatch

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Thanks potlatch -

Great animated scene you posted!

That one scene jumped right out at me!


24 posted on 04/10/2009 4:51:10 PM PDT by devolve ( - - - - - - - - - - - - - It is just another Pansy Scheme! - - -)
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To: devolve

Yes, nice animation.

There was one scene I liked that almost looked like a castle in the background.


25 posted on 04/10/2009 6:23:57 PM PDT by potlatch (A burden shared gets lighter)
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To: potlatch

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Yup

Other good pix

I saved the website in my email for later


26 posted on 04/10/2009 6:27:01 PM PDT by devolve ( - - - - - - - - - - - - - It is just another Pansy Scheme! - - -)
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