*genuine Dorian Heads in the Men's Room.
Posted on 08/06/2005 9:08:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Nevertheless, after more than a century of research, the linguistic relationship between Lemnian and Etruscan -- despite the scanty material -- is nowadays established to a large extent as an undeniable fact. The phonemic systems can not be set to coincide completely, yet it is significant that apart from the already mentioned four vowel system parallels exist in the consonant inventory, too. There are two varieties of s (here written s and sh) and no indications of the voiced plosives b, d, g, while next to each other are to be found in both languages t and th (no aspirate sound like the Greek one, but rather pronounced like ty). Evident conformities exist in the vocabulary between Etruscan (ET, Ta 1.169:) avils machs shealchlsc (literally: "at (=-s) years at four and (=-c) at sixty"), and Lemnian mav shialchveis avis (literally: "four at (=-s) sixty at years"). The common translation, "at 64 years", is of course depending on the values assigned to the Etruscan numerals. In view of the extremely meagre vocabulary of the Lemnian language possible interpretations must rely almost completely on so far decoded Etruscan expressions. Yet, the interpretation of mav and mach is based additionally on the fact that in the (Indo-European) Anatolian language Luvian the word "four" is called maua.
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The second post about the Etruscans was much more informative and interesting to me than a explication of parts of speech such as glottal stops which are understandable only by linguistic professors.
That looks very interesting, but unfortunately it's all Greek to me...
That is radical. Has anyone else besides you ever put forth that hypothesis?
"Sippin' away again, in Etruscanitta-ville..."
It refers to the isle of Lemnos.
Lipstick Lemnians are hot!
I don't think so, but then again I have quirkish thinking about the Phoenicians as well.
Livy pretty much had the Etruscans populating the whole of Italy when the future Romans arrived and linked up with the Latins. Of course, the past was kind of murky even by that time. The future Romans supposedly were some survivors of the Trojan fiasco.
Well, then Etruscans must be from Israel.
"Well, then Etruscans must be from Israel."
False logic. Semites include the Lebanon, Syria and Norther Iraq.
The history of Israel is of the group that went to Egypt and returned to Israel. King David ruled over Israel and also Lebanon, the home of the Phoenicians. The Phoenicans colonized the Mediterrean. The most notable cities include Marseille and Carthage, but Sicily, Southern Spain, Algeria, Morroco, and the Atlantic Coastline of Africa are all attested to.
The joke was had to discern. :-)
Yes, my humor is either subtle or like an atom bomb.
Prost1: The Trojans were Etruscans. The Etruscans were most likely Semites. imo...
RightWhale: That is radical. Has anyone else besides you ever put forth that hypothesis?
feinswinesuksass: Well, then Etruscans must be from Israel.Cyclone Covey, if memory serves, claims that Linear A is Semitic. Barry Fell's view was that Linear A belongs in the Anatolian group of tongues, and showed a number of correspondences. My view is that Fell is correct, Covey isn't, and that the Etruscans were one part of a larger ethnic group which once used Linear A on Crete (and elsewhere), was seafaring, colonized around the Mediterranean prior to and during the Phoenician diaspora, and some other stuff.
martin_fierro: Etruscany.You've cracked it! :')
Drammach: If I recall correctly, Etruscans also claim the earliest use of conrcrete/cement construction in Italy. Not sure if it was used earlier than that, but it was the Etruscans that introduced it to Roman architecture.That could very well be, I'll see what I can find about it. They definitely taught the Romans a number of quintessentially Roman things, such as roadbuilding, tunnelling, and other civil engineering stuff, and of course, the very altered and modified "games".
neb52: Have you read "The Etruscan" by Werner Keller(1974). He theorized they were remnants of Lydia. I guess he wasn't to far off?Uh-oh. I'm not sure that I don't have that book around here. This place will someday have a landslide of junk and bury me alive. Of course, apropos to your reply, I'll probably find the Werner book while waiting to be found. The view that the Etruscans came from the Aegean was current (heh) in classical times, and led to things like the Aeneid. Schliemann was correct about "prehistoric" pottery and such during his excavation of Hissarlik, and also figured that there must have been a Lydian level of occupation, which he felt free to ignore (and dig straight through). I'm not of the school that thinks Schliemann was Eichmann though.
NYer: Interesting. There are many small villages in southeastern Italy whose dialects retain certain Etruscan words and expressions. In the Province of Molise, for example, the capitol is Campobasso. The locals refer to it as 'Campo-ash' (sp?).I've got nothing to add, just felt it bore repeating. Fell's work on Etruscan found (if one doesn't reject Fell out of hand) that the Petrarchian Sonnet actually was already a traditional form in classical times, in Etruria.
Yet another example.
In Italian, young boy = ragazzo. In dialect - 'oochitla' (sp?)
Young girl = ragazza. In dialect - 'achitla' (sp?)
Upstairs = sopra. In dialect - 'ingup' (sp?)
Downstairs = sotto. In dialect - 'bal' (sp?)
ValerieUSA: But did the Etruscans have red hair?I can dream, can't I? Ooh, baby.
PoorMuttly: ".....unaspirated voiceless plosives and of aspirated voiceless plosives....."Reminds me, I've not been to Taco Bell in years.
wildbill: "The second post about the Etruscans was much more informative and interesting to me than a explication of parts of speech such as glottal stops which are understandable only by linguistic professors."Thanks, glad you liked it.
mikrofon: That looks very interesting, but unfortunately it's all Greek to me...That reminds me, I speak every language but Greek, and...
FreedomFarmer: "Sippin' away again, in Etruscanitta-ville..."[sigh] Jimmy should start a restaurant, maybe buffet-style.
tet68: Lipstick Lemnians are hot!I Sappho so...
RightWhale: Livy pretty much had the Etruscans populating the whole of Italy when the future Romans arrived and linked up with the Latins. Of course, the past was kind of murky even by that time. The future Romans supposedly were some survivors of the Trojan fiasco.Fascinating I think that the Romans wanted an origin story that was both borrowed from their notorious rivals and involved descent from people defeated by the Greeks. Seems like they had a masochistic streak in their collective psyche.
Etruscan Engineering and Agricultural Achievements: The Ancient City of Spina
The Mysterious Etruscans | Last modified on Tue, 17-Aug-2004 15:36:27 GMT | editors
Posted on 08/17/2004 9:05:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The Etruscans: Reopening the Case of the Mute Civilization
New York Times | May 27, 2001 | Alan Riding
Posted on 08/04/2004 11:39:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1185005/posts
Yes, of course dear. I'm actually a pretty decent cook.
*genuine Dorian Heads in the Men's Room.
When Rod Stewart retires, he plans to open a diner in Toronto, called the "Every Picture Tells A Story Donut Shop."
[ducks, runs]
"But did the Etruscans have red hair?"
But of course! Red hair is only attributed to Germans and Keltics in modern times. But, red hair was common in Lebannon. Esau was red!
I hope your comment is for the humor impaired!
Know that the Lebanon was once populated by fair skinned and red-haired people.
Why? I do not know. Cedar, red, red hair...I do not know...
Interesting stuff. I have read one theory that Etruscans are Polynesian people.
Interesting stuff. I have read one theory that Etruscans are Polynesian people.
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