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Humans vs. Neanderthals: Game Over Earlier
LiveScience ^ | 22 February 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/22/2006 10:25:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Humans and Neanderthals, thought to have coexisted for 10,000 years across the whole of Europe, are more likely to have lived at the same time for only 6,000 years, the new study suggests. Scientists believe the two species could have lived side by side at specific sites for periods of only about 2,000 years, but Mellars claims they would have lived in competition at each site for only 1,000 years... Two new studies of stratified radiocarbon in the Cariaco Basin, near Venezuela, and of radiocarbon on fossilized coral formations in the tropical Atlantic and Pacific have given scientists a better idea of the amount of carbon in the atmosphere over the last 50,000 years.

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KEYWORDS: bear; bears; cave; caveart; cavedrawings; cavepainting; cavepaintings; crevolist; godsgravesglyphs; morphologyrules; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; radiocarbondating
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

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1 posted on 02/22/2006 10:25:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 02/22/2006 10:25:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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Modern humans, Neanderthals shared earth for 1,000 years
ABC NEWSonline | Thursday, September 1, 2005. 3:29pm (AEST)
Posted on 09/02/2005 5:31:25 PM EDT by ckilmer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1475922/posts


3 posted on 02/22/2006 10:28:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, And all the sweet serenity of books. (Longfellow))
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm not convinced that all the Neandertals are gone!


4 posted on 02/22/2006 10:32:24 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

But with Hillary as their nominee, they may return to power! :)


5 posted on 02/22/2006 10:34:21 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Dubai-u's fault--The Port Non-Issue is Hillary's Sistah Soulja moment)
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To: SunkenCiv
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"What's this 1,000, 2,000 years. I can only recall about 25."
6 posted on 02/22/2006 10:43:43 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Old Seadog

...now where did I leave the rest of that antelope?


7 posted on 02/22/2006 10:54:20 PM PST by Buck W. (John Kerry: The Emir of Absurdistan.)
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To: SunkenCiv

If they had football back then, I wonder who would have won the Superbowl.


8 posted on 02/23/2006 1:16:26 AM PST by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I'm not convinced that all the Neandertals are gone.




They are not gone, one is living next door to me.
9 posted on 02/23/2006 5:05:42 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: U S Army EOD
I wonder who would have won the Superbowl.

According to Seahawk's fans it would have been decided by the refs regardless.
10 posted on 02/23/2006 5:51:21 AM PST by BJClinton (Let slip the Viking Kittens!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Tastes like chicken?


11 posted on 02/23/2006 7:10:29 AM PST by null and void (Imagine what they would be doing if it wasn't a religion of peace!!!)
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To: BJClinton

Maybe that explains why they couldn't get along.


12 posted on 02/23/2006 9:04:14 AM PST by U S Army EOD (LINCOLN COUNTY RED DEVILS STATE CHAMPIONS)
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To: SunkenCiv

"Modern humans—those anatomically the same as people today—were also better equipped to deal with a 6 degree Celsius (11 Fahrenheit) fall in temperatures around 40,000 years ago."

Then, they passed a law outlawing SUV's...


13 posted on 02/23/2006 9:23:26 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I'm still here!


14 posted on 02/23/2006 9:24:58 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SunkenCiv

YEC INTREP


15 posted on 02/23/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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I think I see now why these new results were cooked up. Thanks go to Dienekes' anthropology 'blog for this 2004 tidbit, linked off his current page:
Unexpectedly recent dates for human remains from Vogelherd
Dienekes Pontikos
July 07, 2004
A new study in Nature removes the last remaining link between the Upper Paleolithic Aurignacian technologies and modern humans. There is thus currently no evidence for the co-existence of UP humans and Aurignacian technologies at any sites. The authors conclude that while there is still evidence for the existence of modern humans in Europe during Aurignacian times, there is no longer any evidence for the idea that modern humans produced the Aurignacian, suggesting that this could just as easily have been produced by the indigenous Neandertals.

Nature 430, 198 - 201 (08 July 2004)

NICHOLAS J. CONARD et al.

The human skeletal remains from the Vogelherd cave in the Swabian Jura of southwestern Germany are at present seen as the best evidence that modern humans produced the artefacts of the early Aurignacian1. Radiocarbon measurements from all the key fossils from Vogelherd show that these human remains actually date to the late Neolithic, between 3,900 and 5,000 radiocarbon years before present (BP). Although many questions remain unresolved, these results weaken the arguments for the Danube Corridor hypothesis2—that there was an early migration of modern humans into the Upper Danube drainage—and strengthen the view that Neanderthals may have contributed significantly to the development of Upper Palaeolithic cultural traits independent of the arrival of modern humans3, 4.

16 posted on 02/23/2006 10:34:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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The abstract:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v430/n6996/abs/nature02690.html


17 posted on 02/23/2006 10:37:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach
ArchaeoBlog had the link:
Radiocarbon revision lapses
by John Hawks
Department of Anthropology
University of Wisconsin
Madison
I absolutely love this quote from the Reuters story:
Rather than taking 7,000 years to colonize Europe from Africa, the reinterpreted data shows the process may have taken only 5,000 years, scientist Paul Mellars from Cambridge University said in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.
Wow. I mean, wow! Talk about your "new discoveries overturning all previous theories"!

...I can't do much better than to quote my own post from last May concerning the Mladec date (31,000 BP)
[quoting Wild et al. 2005]

The Mladec site has significance for both human evolutionary and archaeological issues and the relevance of its remains has increased as a result of the recent dating of the purportedly Aurignacian-age modern human remains from Velika Pecina (Croatia), Hahnofersand (Germany) and Vogelherd (Germany) to the Holocene epoch, the remains from Koneprusy (Czech Republic) to the Magdalenian period, and those from Cro-Magnon (France) and La Rochette (France) to the Gravettian period. The only directly dated European modern human fossils of Aurignacian age are the Pestera cu Oase (Romania) mandible and cranium at ~35,000 14C years before present (that is, ~35 14C kyr BP), the Kent's Cavern (UK) maxilla at ~31 14C kyr BP, the Pestera Muierii (Romania) remains at ~30 14C kyr BP, and the Pestera Cioclovina (Romania) cranium at ~29 14C kyr BP, none of which has a secure and diagnostic archaeological association. Moreover, at least the Oase fossils overlap in time with late Neanderthals from for example, Vindija (Croatia), which is at present dated to ~29 14C kyr BP [since redated to ~32,000 BP] and Arcy-sur-Cure (France) at ~34 14C kyr BP. The assessment of whether the Mladec fossils are indeed Aurignacian in age, and if so, their chronological position within the Aurignacian time span, has become central to understanding early modern humans in Europe (Wild et al. 2005:332, references omitted).

18 posted on 02/28/2006 8:22:42 AM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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19 posted on 11/27/2009 8:02:58 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Nice photo, but I could swear I saw that guy in a Tennessee Titans uniform a few days ago.


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