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Stonehenge Beneath the Waters of Lake Michigan
BLDG Blog ^ | 05 Jan 2009 | BLDG Blog

Posted on 01/08/2009 12:15:48 PM PST by BGHater

In a surprisingly under-reported story from 2007, Mark Holley, a professor of underwater archaeology at Northwestern Michigan University College, discovered a series of stones – some of them arranged in a circle and one of which seemed to show carvings of a mastodon – 40-feet beneath the surface waters of Lake Michigan.


[Image: Standing stones beneath Lake Michigan? View larger].

If verified, the carvings could be as much as 10,000 years old – coincident with the post-Ice Age presence of both humans and mastodons in the upper midwest.

[Image: The stones beneath Lake Michigan; view larger].

In a PDF assembled by Holley and Brian Abbott to document the expedition, we learn that the archaeologists had been hired to survey a series of old boatwrecks using a slightly repurposed "sector scan sonar" device. You can read about the actual equipment – a Kongsberg-Mesotech MS 1000 – here.
The circular images this thing produces are unreal; like some strange new art-historical branch of landscape representation, they form cryptic dioramas of long-lost wreckage on the lakebed. Shipwrecks (like the Tramp, which went down in 1974); a "junk pile" of old boats and cars; a Civil War-era pier; and even an old buggy are just some of the topographic features the divers discovered.
These are anthropological remains that will soon be part of the lake's geology; they are our future trace fossils.
But down amongst those otherwise mundane human remains were the stones.

[Image: The "junk pile" of old cars and boat skeletons; view larger].

While there is obviously some doubt as to whether or not that really is a mastodon carved on a rock – let alone if it really was human activity that arranged some of the rocks into a Stonehenge-like circle – it's worth pointing out that Michigan does already have petroglyph sites and even standing stones.
A representative of the University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology has even commented that, although he's skeptical, he's interested in learning more, hoping to see better photographs of the so-called "glyph stone."

[Image: The stones; view larger].

So is there a North American version of Stonehenge just sitting up there beneath the glacial waters of a small northern bay in Lake Michigan? If so, are there other submerged prehistoric megaliths waiting to be discovered by some rogue archaeologist armed with a sonar scanner?
Whatever the answer might be, the very suggestion is interesting enough to think about – where underwater archaeology, prehistoric remains, and lost shipwrecks collide to form a midwestern mystery: National Treasure 3 or Da Vinci Code 2. Even Ghostbusters: The Return.
But only future scuba expeditions will be able to tell for sure.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: alpenaamberleyridge; archaeoastronomy; brianabbott; catastrophism; epigraphyandlanguage; freepun; godsgravesglyphs; grandtraversebay; huntergatherers; lake; lakemichigan; markholley; mastodon; megaliths; michigan; stonehenge
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Rorschach.

This has more info.

1 posted on 01/08/2009 12:15:51 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

ping.

Picked this over the Mummy Queen. Maybe its not henge, maybe find Hoffa.


2 posted on 01/08/2009 12:16:57 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater

Very cool. Thanks for posting it.


3 posted on 01/08/2009 12:21:21 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: BGHater
Stonehenge Beneath the Waters of Lake Michigan

But we all want to know when Spinal Tap write a song about it ...

4 posted on 01/08/2009 12:24:10 PM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: BGHater
Damn.

In the left foreground, I can just make out my keys.

5 posted on 01/08/2009 12:24:35 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: BGHater

bump for later


6 posted on 01/08/2009 12:26:37 PM PST by joe fonebone (The libtard votes in every election, regardless of the candidate.)
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To: BGHater

looking at the one on the left i see the face of a very grizzled old man....


7 posted on 01/08/2009 12:27:01 PM PST by tatsinfla
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To: BGHater

Nobody knows who they were or what they were doing.


8 posted on 01/08/2009 12:29:10 PM PST by WildcatClan (AND THOSE DOESNT BRAIN JUST GO. ---- Cecile Noe)
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To: BGHater
And they totally missed the Mercedes hood ornament!
9 posted on 01/08/2009 12:30:05 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: tatsinfla

You’re right!

I DO see the very grizzled Helen Thomas!


10 posted on 01/08/2009 12:31:00 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Happy 233rd Birthday, USMC!!!)
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To: Recon Dad

The carvings are from my outboard, nice carvings, lots of repair.


11 posted on 01/08/2009 12:33:01 PM PST by Quick Shot
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To: BGHater; SunkenCiv

There is a priceless old B.C. comic in which one character is drawing bison on a cave wall.

Another character is criticizing the mediocre artwork.

The one doing the drawing replies something like,

“A million years from now, they’ll eat this stuff up.”


12 posted on 01/08/2009 12:37:03 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: BGHater

Other than the pic in post 1, i don’t see any kind of arrangement similar to sstonehenge, or anything that would make me think it’s manmade.

Someone please feel free to provide further explanation.


13 posted on 01/08/2009 12:37:21 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Your not suppose to ask serious questions.


14 posted on 01/08/2009 12:39:41 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater

:)

Cool imagery, though


15 posted on 01/08/2009 12:46:29 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
. . . very grizzled Helen Thomas!

Did you major in redundancy?

16 posted on 01/08/2009 12:49:04 PM PST by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: Andyman

... And minored in unnecessary redundancy.


17 posted on 01/08/2009 12:50:43 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Happy 233rd Birthday, USMC!!!)
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To: BGHater
From above, the site looks like the last resting place of a sailing vessel carrying a load from a quarry.

And the mastodon? No — it's a face. See the frown? And the two eyes?

18 posted on 01/08/2009 12:50:56 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BGHater

Plank Henge

Located 1 mile north of Pentwater State Park on Lake Michigan. Sundial in center has correct time twice a day. Virgins sacrificed the 1st Tuesday of the month. Interesting beach artifacts. Tours daily. Donations welcome.


19 posted on 01/08/2009 12:52:16 PM PST by JoeProBono (Apparitions are in the eye of the beholder)
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To: BGHater

20 posted on 01/08/2009 12:52:19 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: WildcatClan

“Nobody knows who they were or what they were doing.”

Hey, they were just a bunch of guys sitting around near the lake over a mastodon barbeque sharing some ice fishing stories.

“Hairy, I swear to you that was a megolodon I almost caught, but he broke that darn mammoth-gut line and got away.”


21 posted on 01/08/2009 12:54:35 PM PST by wildbill
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To: BGHater

Hail Atlantis!


22 posted on 01/08/2009 12:57:10 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: WildcatClan

Looks like they were trodden on by a dwarf.


23 posted on 01/08/2009 12:57:48 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: dead

You sure that isn’t a image of the Virgin Mary making a grilled cheese sandwich?


25 posted on 01/08/2009 1:03:21 PM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Damn.

In the left foreground, I can just make out my keys.
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26 posted on 01/08/2009 1:17:49 PM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: BGHater

I’m kinda familiar with Grand Traverse bay. Think about this: This alleged Stonhedge type of structure was found in approx. 39 feet of water. That means that the inhabitants of that time made that structure when Lake Michigan was at least 40 - 50 feet shallower.......


27 posted on 01/08/2009 1:23:53 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Today is just a little more special than yesterday.)
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To: BGHater

Back when I was younger than I am now,(1995 or so) I remember Art Bell having this scientist lady on and they used a Side Sonar off the Coast of Cuba, saying it looked like anunderground city, blah blah blah, it was Sponsored by the LIFE Magazine or something too. Never heard what became of that.


28 posted on 01/08/2009 1:52:34 PM PST by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama has no experience running anything, except his pedestrian mouth.)
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Underwater Archaeologists Find Possible Mastodon Carving On Lake Michigan Rock
AHN | 9-4-2007 | Nidhi Sharma
Posted on 09/05/2007 10:26:08 AM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1891549/posts


29 posted on 01/08/2009 5:43:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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30 posted on 01/08/2009 5:44:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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thanks BGHater.
 
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31 posted on 01/08/2009 5:50:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 6SJ7; SunkenCiv
Hail Atlantis!

You would be surprised how right you are.

During the last ice age, the water levels were much lower around the globe, and since humans like to live near water, it makes sense that our history, beyond the past 12k years or so, is under water.

It would also explain why every culture has a flood story.

32 posted on 01/08/2009 6:08:30 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: SunkenCiv

The mastadon, IF that is what the lines are (I’ve seen some really weird “pictures” in supposedly random-pattern linoleum) doesn’t mean a lot, as the boulder could have come from elsewhere; it doesn’t look ‘native’ to that spot.

As to the rock formation, wasn’t the area of Traverse Bay either under ice or under even deeper water up until around 4,000 years ago?


33 posted on 01/08/2009 6:40:15 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
don’t see any kind of arrangement similar to sstonehenge, or anything that would make me think it’s manmade.

Me either. Plus lots of years of storms and currents could move things about to form about anything.

34 posted on 01/08/2009 6:45:59 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Y'know, I'm not sure about the length of time... here in Grand Rapids, on the south side of Michigan Street, at the east end of the bridge, there's an historical marker which shows the various courses of the rivers flowing along the edge of the retreating ice sheet.

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


35 posted on 01/08/2009 7:39:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dead

I’ll be damned - it’s a shrine to Ancient Looter Guy!


36 posted on 01/08/2009 7:55:36 PM PST by Constitution Day (Big Brotha Is Watching You)
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To: fanfan

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/pf/40939571.html

[heading] Archaeology: Undersea Adventures and Pre-Columbian Mingling

Eric Powell, a senior editor at Archaeology magazine, says some of 2009’s most exciting digs will be undersea.

“There is a lot of good work on everything from Bronze Age shipwrecks in the Aegean to Paleolithic archaeology,” he said.

“People are starting to think of underwater archaeology as focused not just on nautical history, but on the prehistoric landscape that existed when glaciers had water tied up and sea levels were much lower,” he said.

Powell expects new evidence of pre-Columbian mingling to shake-up the field as well.

“I think in the coming year you’re going to see some discoveries announced that shed light on the New World/Old World contacts before Columbus came,” Powell said.

“We may realize that there was much more contact than we previously thought.”


37 posted on 01/08/2009 7:56:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BGHater

Looks like another mastadon above and to the right also. Hope the Japanese can clone them:)


38 posted on 01/08/2009 8:02:33 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: dead

ROFLMAO!


39 posted on 01/08/2009 8:42:11 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Coyoteman
*PING* to post 37 this thread.

Cheers!

40 posted on 01/08/2009 8:43:34 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pagey
“Back when I was younger than I am now,(1995 or so) I remember Art Bell having this scientist lady on and they used a Side Sonar off the Coast of Cuba, saying it looked like anunderground city, blah blah blah, it was Sponsored by the LIFE Magazine or something too. Never heard what became of that.”

It got hushed up because the aliens got all PO’d and threatened to make Cuba disappear! Couldn't allow any threat to the last bastion of the Revolution!

Or maybe there wasn't as much as they thought? Who knows!

41 posted on 01/09/2009 4:09:09 AM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: SunkenCiv

“I think in the coming year you’re going to see some discoveries announced that shed light on the New World/Old World contacts before Columbus came,” Powell said.

“We may realize that there was much more contact than we previously thought.”


That would be cool!


42 posted on 01/09/2009 4:56:37 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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43 posted on 01/09/2009 7:05:59 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

http://www.witnit.org/images/yo-woman.gif


44 posted on 01/09/2009 7:12:08 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: BGHater

If you look above the first mastodon, there is another with his trunk elevated. I posted a comment on this at the site.


45 posted on 01/09/2009 8:29:03 AM PST by gopheraj
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To: fanfan

I wish there were more text in that, I’d post it as a topic.


46 posted on 01/09/2009 10:18:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Old Student; Pagey

-or was it the site of castro’s secret hidey-hole. the one where they are having their weekendatbernie’s gathering.


47 posted on 01/09/2009 10:23:06 AM PST by tioga (Let us unite in prayer for our country.)
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To: dead

You win a Heini!


48 posted on 01/09/2009 12:07:13 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s what I liked the book Underworld: The Mysterious Origins of Civilization.

It covered the beginnings of these underwater digs that are happening all over the world.

If we can keep ‘civilization’ going for the next hundred years or so, there should be lots of interesting history discovered.

Of course, then it will be lost again.....


49 posted on 01/09/2009 12:12:53 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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To: fanfan
That’s what I liked about the book.
50 posted on 01/09/2009 12:42:50 PM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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