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A New Type of Inscribed Copper Plate from Indus Valley (Harappan) Civilisation
Ancient Asia Journal ^ | October 8, 2014 | Vasant Shinde, Rick J. Willis

Posted on 10/17/2014 10:28:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A group of nine Indus Valley copper plates (c. 2600–2000 BC), discovered from private collections in Pakistan, appear to be of an important type not previously described. The plates are significantly larger and more robust than those comprising the corpus of known copper plates or tablets, and most significantly differ in being inscribed with mirrored characters. One of the plates bears 34 characters, which is the longest known single Indus script inscription. Examination of the plates with x-ray fluorescence (XRF) spectrophotometry indicates metal compositions, including arsenical copper, consistent with Indus Valley technology. Microscopy of the metal surface and internal structure reveals detail such as pitting, microcrystalline structure, and corrosion, consistent with ancient cast copper artifacts. Given the relative fineness of the engraving, it is hypothesised that the copper plates were not used as seals, but have characteristics consistent with use in copper plate printing. As such, it is possible that these copper plates are by far the earliest known printing devices, being at least 4000 years old.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: anatolia; carian; carians; epigraphyandlanguage; etruria; etruscan; etruscans; godsgravesglyphs; harappa; harappan; harappans; indusvalley; indusvalleyscript; lemnianstele; lemnos; minoan; minoans; pakistan
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The nine copper plates. Top row: Plates 1–3. Middle row: Plates 4–6. Bottom row: Plates 7–9. Scale in centimetres.

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1 posted on 10/17/2014 10:28:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 10/17/2014 10:28:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Remember a couple of years ago, someone "proved" that the Indus Valley texts did not contain writing? That really cracked me up.
Close view of Plate 1 (Horned deity).

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3 posted on 10/17/2014 10:31:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like those metal stamps we engraved back in junior high art class.


4 posted on 10/17/2014 10:32:00 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: SunkenCiv
Fascinating. Thank you for posting!

One of the plates bears 34 characters, which is the longest known single Indus script inscription.

I wonder what that means for decipherment efforts.

5 posted on 10/17/2014 10:36:40 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: SunkenCiv

Call Glenn Beck. Or that Smith guy....


6 posted on 10/17/2014 10:37:20 AM PDT by GreensKeeperWillie (Sancte Maria, mater Dei, ora pro nobis)
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To: SunkenCiv

Has anybody seen my good Water Buffalo serving tray?


7 posted on 10/17/2014 10:56:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Is it a horned water buffalo?


8 posted on 10/17/2014 10:58:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Aside from some oil discoveries, introduction of gasoline/diesel vehicles, there is virtually no indication of any progress since these plates.

IOW Iraq, Pakistan, and other ancient “cradles of civilization.”


9 posted on 10/17/2014 11:03:24 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Constitution Day

Until a bilingual of some sort is found, or an archive of longer texts, probably little headway will be made. Most of those working in the field (that is, not politically motivated non-scholars) agree that the language preserved in the script was agglutinative, but efforts to make it out as an archaic version of Dravidian have failed (and the oldest surviving Dravidian texts are over 1000 years old, that includes some from a Roman-era Red Sea pottery factory); similarly, no one has made Sumerian fit it either.

It’s known to be a writing system, as there’s actually a surviving “welcome to [town name]” type of sign outside one of the old Harappan city sites, but longer texts are mostly lacking, probably because they were originally made on materials which have not survived.


10 posted on 10/17/2014 11:06:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Remember a couple of years ago, someone "proved" that the Indus Valley texts did not contain writing? That really cracked me up.

Now I know where Matt Groening picked up his drawing style.
11 posted on 10/17/2014 11:07:00 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: bgill

Per the abstract, that appears to be what they were used for. In the Mediterranean, the unique artifact the Phaistos Disk was inscribed with two boustrophodon spirals of characters (one on each face), and the characters were stamped into the clay before firing (the outlines of the block can be seen here and there). Both artifacts were at least a couple thousand years before Gutenberg. :’)


12 posted on 10/17/2014 11:13:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Dr. Sivana

“Groening, rhymes with ‘complaining’.”


13 posted on 10/17/2014 11:14:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Very interesting. Some of the characters look very close to germanic/nordic runes, and of course we know from comparing mythologies and languages that Germanic peoples spent some time in the area.

The style of drawing reminds me of the Lascaux cave paintings though.


14 posted on 10/17/2014 11:43:26 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SunkenCiv
VERY interesting!
15 posted on 10/17/2014 11:44:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Top row

Middle pic

Bullwinkle


16 posted on 10/17/2014 11:47:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Judging by the cup and the bottom...

And the football at the end of the middle row of text....

...it must be an invitation to a SuperBowl Party.


17 posted on 10/17/2014 11:49:21 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, at least it’s good to know they had cocktails
back then.


18 posted on 10/17/2014 11:54:12 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I haven’t seen this mentioned by anyone here, but the fact that these are suspected of being plates used for printing implies a paper-making industry AND an educated public.


19 posted on 10/17/2014 11:55:06 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: tet68

The drank Soma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma) and psychedelic mushroom beverages that were out of this world.

Good thing they didn’t have cars or else the host would have to take the keys away from everybody.


20 posted on 10/17/2014 12:00:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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